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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,837
    Not to dangle the ol' "new forums software" carrot again, but just so you know, on that platform we'll have the ability to list vehicles you own in your profile, and photo upload will be easy (pretty much like all sites, where you choose the photo from your personal drive and it shows up). Maybe at that point we could even have a spin-off of this discussion just for midsize sedans members' vehicle pics, if that would appeal.

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  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,430
    So when is the "new" forum supposed to happen?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    My Fusion has the 2.0, which has more power than I need.
    Don't have any car pics, haven't even downloaded the pics of the bear that hung out in my yard for about an hour on Saturday.
    Here is a twin of my Fusion
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,690
    edited October 2013
    cski wrote: "I saw the interior of a base Honda Accord today at the grocery store, so I stuck my head in. The first thing I saw was lots of shiny plasti-silver faux-aluminum. I like the Accord exterior, but what you have to see everyday is the inside. So, if that 1980's Emerson-Soundesign boom-box cheap plastic is on other Accords...then Honda blew it interior wise...."

    The interior of the new Accord is actually very nice, but as with exterior styling everyone has different tastes.

    Compared to the previous generation of Accord, this generation has higher quality materials in almost all areas, except for the carpets. The dash of the new Accord is in fact made in a new and innovative way at the Ohio factory as one piece. The press release when it came out talked about how the previous dash had something like a dozen pieces, while the new one is made of one piece of high tech material formed in the factory on a super stable foundation. I don't understand the details, but I remember that they had to build a new concrete foundation several feet thick in this part of the factory to shield the formation of the dash material from any vibrations as it's being formed.

    Most reviews like the Accord interior. Here's a little of the Automobile magazine review, for instance, where the Accord placed first in a comparison test:

    "It begins with the rigorously ergonomic approach that Honda takes to formatting the driving position of its cars. You notice the great visibility from the driver's seat, the thoughtful layout of the light-effort controls....We enjoyed being in this car, and while its interior dimensions aren't much different from those of its competition, it feels especially open and spacious. The soft-touch detailing has added a worthwhile dimension of luxury, and even the cloth seat upholstery seems particularly nice. And just as important, we found it easy to climb in and out, while the ride was quieter than we remember from past Accords as well as more supple and composed on the road. In the past, the Accord has always seemed like a strong value proposition, yet now this car aspires to something more than big-time practicality. This has become a very nice car, an automobile that projects a premium image...."

    Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1303_midsize_madness_day_five/#ixzz2- - - hEf5TATU
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 931
    Most reviews I read compliment the Honda interior, such as this one:
    "Honda paid more attention to interior materials and design (particularly the center stack) in this latest redesign, and the result is a genuinely upscale ambience, even in a working man's Accord with cloth seats."

    But to each his/her own impressions!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited October 2013
    As soon as I saw the plasti-luminum silver matte finish on all along the border of the center stack I was turned off. I very much like the Accord in every other way, and I hope that trim is just in the base model. The camera system pretty much makes up for it though.

    I guess I was more bummed about it, as the car had won me over in so many other ways. The Mazda has none. My mother-in-laws new Pathfinder has it everywhere.

    This is totally personal preference. All the reviews in the world will not change my opinion here. I sold electronics from '89 to '92, and that is when I started to dislike it. I actually sold those Emerson/Soundesign boom boxes, etc. The finish scratched easily and gets worn off quickly, along with any lettering/icons printed on it.
  • ctlctl Posts: 123
    For Base model, Altima has the worse cloth seat material, which Accord is right down there next to it. A good strategy to lure buyers to the higher trims? :)
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    I saw you guy's going back and forth about the premature Mazda 3 rust. I found the Mazda 3 website and have a link here (with pictures). This would be a very good place to discuss it.

    http://www.mazda3forums.com/showthread.php?t=307935
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,837
    We don't have a firm date - not going to happen until we can ensure as smooth a transition as possible. We'll give you plenty of notice.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    I agree with cski, the Accord interior is underwhelming.
    Got a ride in one and I thought I was in a 2012, until I looked at the back of the car.
    This was a top of the line model with black leather.
    My Fusion has a black interior, but there are lots of nice details.
  • vservser Posts: 48
    I for one, thinks that honda three tiered infotainment is way too busy. The Fusion and Altima are much nicer. I too agree that the Honda feels roomier, almost to a fault. I prefer the bucket type seats of the fusion and altima. But the fusion is about 4k more. And the altima seems to be having transmission issues. I've started looking at the Avalon which can be had for 35 for the limited. Too many choices.
  • gogophers1gogophers1 Posts: 218
    edited October 2013
    It's always interesting to see what's appealing/unappealing to other folks out there.

    As far as the faux aluminum trim, it's neither a big turn-on or turn-off for me. I'm quite indifferent. In fact, I generally don't even notice it when it's there. I guess I'm focusing more on other things (the overall style and layout of the instrument panel/center stack; vinyl/plastic quality and color). Unless something jumps out at me (like that ridiculous Plymouth Volaresque stitching Toyota thought to include on the Camry's dash pad), it tends to fade into the background.

    Now the "piano black" trim that seems to be growing in popularity... that's a different story altogether. I REALLY dislike the stuff (and, unfortunately, Ford uses it on parts of the new Fusion; worse yet, Mazda virtually shellacs some of its models in the junk). While it doesn't look notably bad if a car is freshly detailed, every time I hop into a vehicle with piano black plastic at the Minneapolis Auto Show, it's invariably covered in very noticeable, greasy fingerprints. Ewww.

    Piano black plastic trim reminds me of those black laquer home furnishings they used to peddle in seedy, inner-city RTO furniture stores back in the early '90s. What's next, faux gold-trim door pulls?
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 791
    Faux-aluminum wouldn't be my first choice as an accent for the interior trim, but ANYTHING beats "Piano Black"! I never understood how high-gloss black plastic that can't be kept clean for five minutes is supposed to be upscale???
  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 471
    Faux gold trim is exactly what I expect next. Everyone will want their car to match their new gaudy iPhone.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    I don't mind a little faux aluminum trim in a low-bucks car if it looks OK. I think the faux aluminum trim on the center stack of my wife's 2013 Sonata GLS looks fine, fits the overall design well, and there isn't much of it to be distracting--just a highlight. I've seen some faux aluminum trim that looks really plasticky, e.g. real shiny or rough, and I'd rather have black plastic (like in my Kia Rio) instead of that.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited October 2013
    The Avalon is a handsome car, inside and out; except for the grill. It looks like a fish. Ford got the grill right in the Fusion, but Toyota missed the mark. I wish the giant grill look would go away to be honest. This leads me to my favorite large sedan. The 2014 Impala 3.6. I can't even BELIEVE I like an Impala, not to mention pining for one.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=2014+Impala+pictures&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS544US544&tb- -

    The new Impala is beautiful, from every angle, inside and out. I read that GM is going to offer a twin-turbo 3.6 SS version putting out 414 hp, although I would be more than happy with the 3.6 - DI engine with 305 HP.
    The front end of it is a textbook example of handsome. Magazines don't do it justice. You gotta see it in person.

    That is enough out of me about cars in the next class up...but I do think it is important to mention them, as it is an option for many of us when looking for a new sedan.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited October 2013
    The Optima EX doesn't have any piano black on it, but after I tinted the glass I added two panels of it on each of the "B" pillars, so it would reflect just like the glass. The SX model has the gloss B pillars stock, so I didn't add anything gaudy like the aftermarket chrome ones.

    I have noticed it scratches very easily. I am glad the 4 panels only cost $30 and can be replaced any time.

    Here is a pic: http://i.imgur.com/O8nHZuPh.jpg

    Here is one more: http://i.imgur.com/FmBHfsL.jpg

    Here is a picture of my actual interior. Note the real aluminum trim around the shifter: http://i.imgur.com/lGTjnEd.jpg
  • vservser Posts: 48
    I've driven the Impala. It is nice, but too jumpy for me. I feel like I want to just floor it and fly. And the visibility out of the back window is very poor. I like the fusion too, but the quotes for a loaded one have been 33. And I've gotten quotes for a limited Avalon for 35. IMHO that's a no brainier.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited October 2013
    So if the turn signal stalk is gold with diamond c/z trim, would they call it a

    "Bling-ker"? :) I know, I know..... really, really bad. LOL
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    Yes I remember you told me that in another post. I wonder if it has an "eco mode", which makes the throttle far less sensitive on my car, and keeps it from abruptly downshifting (like when going up a hill) to save at the pump.

    It sounds like you are 90% set on that Avalon, and I can't argue about that, especially for only 2k more than a Fusion. I just like the Impala from every angle, but that is easy for me to say as I am not seriously contemplating a purchase. Since you are, there is a lot more important things to worry about than the shape of the lower grill.
    The Avalon looks great. Love the interior, and it will keep it's resale value better.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,262
    Just saw some pretty big discounts on the Buick Regal Turbo. $7500 off msrp with loyalty/conquest cash. 25k-28k for a pretty nice ride. 4 year warranty. A bit small for me --I like my LaCrosse --- might be worth a look for some shoppers. Any other deals out there for other brands ?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,618
    Are you looking at comparable models? 33k for a FWD Fusion is pretty high.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    I have wanted to bring this up for a couple of weeks. This new Mercedes model has a turbo 2.0 engine, with the base model 4 cyl putting out 208 hp and 258 lb ft.

    It is the size of a compact car, like a Civolla, but you get a lot for your money, and a decidedly better self image than a Civolla could offer. Front seat room is excellent.

    Another alternative is the BMW 320i. At $34k it offers the same 2.0 liter turbo in the 328i, but de-tuned to 180 hp and 200 lb ft. I owned the original 1979 model. It only had 100 hp, but it was a very light car and it was given to me if I could dig it out of a giant snow bank on a relatives property. I never dug so fast in my entire life! It was like it was free toy in a cereal box. I am sorry I sold it, but I was 21 and stupid.

    Now, I know some of you are going to scream about the lack of rear seat room and limited options that come with the rock bottom priced models, but a premium brand car is at least within reach for many of us, and I thought I should mention it.
  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 471
    edited October 2013
    Acura has offered in this space for a while with the TSX and ILX. I wanted one of them, but found both simply too small and too expensive, and not significantly nicer than a mainstream brand mid sizer. ILX 2.4 manual is over $30k. Used TSX had very high prices, it seemed. Verano was another premium option that I liked very much but found too lacking in space.

    Besides the quality of the interior in my new Accord, and of the Optima I considered, was such a vast step up from my old Mazda3 that it feels like a Bentley in comparison!

    And again, felt I was trading space for brand cache. At this point in my life, the back seat is more important than the badge. Next time around I hope to have a premium brand for its dealer and service experience alone. Great tech, fancy interior gadgets, etc. I will afford those when the kids are grown.

    But I won't have a small car just to get a fancy badge. If a small car suits my needs and is fun to drive, okay. But I see baby seats in the back of Lexus ISs and G37s and think... Get over yourself, dad.

    Maybe MB and BMW are worth the loss of leg room, but I doubt it. They are built to a price. For someone spending low 30s instead of low 20s, who wants plenty of power and tech, I'd have to recommend a loaded Fusion or Accord or Mazda6. Power and space are also "luxuries" in my definition. I'd rather not give them up just to impress strangers parked in the same traffic jam.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    My sensibilities are like your's. I have three kids ages 8 to 13, and their education comes first. I no longer needed a van or an SUV because my kids no longer required car seats and strollers, but still needed a car that had a lot of room inside, and great F/E. My car has HUGE KIA badges front and rear, but I don't care and drive my car with pride. Be damned what the next guy thinks of me!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    A good discussion... for the CLA discussion or one on entry-level luxury COMPACT cars. :)
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,193
    edited October 2013
    It is a sedan, has a 2.0 turbo. and fits the price structure...so it has the potential to take sales from the the mid-size segment. It is in that regard that I brought it up.

    Backy, I have noticed that each time you respond to me you are curt and borderline insulting to me in particular. Do you care to explain? I have tried to be nice and to respond appropriately, but that isn't working.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,665
    I saw my first CLA on the road today and my jaw dropped...amazing look; White with AMG rims. I've never driven or even looked inside so maybe the backseats are a deal breaker.

    But strictly from an aesthetics point it was beautiful. Realistically it's a silly criteria in choosing a mode of transportation...but it was very nice
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,686
    edited October 2013
    Curt and insulting? Hardly! I put a smiley face on my last post, to make sure you knew I was funnin' ya. But I don't see it there now! And the page view is all messed up. That has been happening to me on this site for the past few days... right now THIS page display is messed up, it's full width and the Emoticons don't show up.

    Anyway, no insult was intended. I was merely pointing out that the CLA is a compact car, not a mid-sized family sedan which is the focus of this discussion. I think people who come here expect to have a discussion on mid-sized sedans. There's lots of other discussions for cars like the CLA.

    If you want to open this up to possible competitors to mid-sized family sedans, there's a LOT of those. There's compact cars that have mid-sized interiors, like the Elantra, Forte, and Jetta. There's small SUVs at about the same price as a mid-sized sedan, but more cargo room. There's mid-sized near-luxury cars that start at a price where the high-trim family cars top out--so some overlap on price. There's large family cars like the Taurus, Impala, and Azera that also overlap the mid-sized cars on price.

    Just trying to keep to the topic. Sorry you took offense at that.

    EDIT: I just refreshed the page and now it looks normal, and I can see the smiley face I put on my last post to you. Did that not show up for you either, as it didn't for me a minute ago?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,287
    I just went through the same mental exercise. I really like the ILX, and as soon as my son gets a permanent job, he might get one.

    but I was discussing, and looking into, the Accord with a friend that needs a new car. The EX-L is about the same price as the ILX base (though maybe a little bit higher), but offers pretty much all the features the Acura has, plus some more (OK, at least XM!) The Accord though is bigger (some people like that, I am fine with more compact), more power, quicker, better MPG (thanks to the CVT).

    so if I had to go get a new sedan right now, considering my "must haves" (equipment wise) it would be an interesting decision.

    I also think that the current crop of midsize sedans now puts a ton of pressure on the compacts, as long as you are willing to compare a lower trim line big car vs. high line smaller one. Usually quicker, certainly much roomier and usually more comfortable highway ride, with comparable MPG.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

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