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  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,291
    If the nitrogen you put in your tires is free, then I fail to see any issue with using it. There doesn't seem to be any reason why it would be bad for your tires, so I can't see any argument that makes sense.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    Advice on things to look for? Yes. Speed limit signs!! It's quite fast.

    Also, if you buy it make sure they give you both sets of floor mats AND the trunk mat. You should have cloth and rubber floor mats for free.

    Furthermore, make sure a spare tire is included.

    Lastly, do not let the sales guy go with you on the test drive. Drive it like you normally do without being pressured. If it takes 2 hours to decide or 12 hours, that is your prerogative, screw their convenience or policy if they want you to plunck down 27 to 30 k.

    Lastly....enjoy yourself, and take some pictures!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    Yeah...I know. I like you anyway though. :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689
    The only downside is having to take it back to the tire shop if you do need to add some. Since I do my own tire rotations that would be an extra trip for me. And I thought most places charge extra for it up front.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    I think it is time for an unscheduled service appointment. My car is making an irritating noise that sounds like it is coming from under the back of the car.

    After I got out and verified that it wasn't a pedestrian moaning under the car, (since I do not have a backup camera), but alas I think it is the fuel pump. It is dying. Noise is coming from the gas tank. The car isn't performing any different, and I would very much like to keep it that way.

    Now I have to go and receive Fairfax Kia "service". Pray for me. Pray hard. :cry:
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    It's difficult when your "baby" is in pain...

    Nationwide Insurance commercial :)
  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 477
    The stripes are gone. Much better now. My wife thinks I think about these things too much.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited October 2013
    LOL. Now you can relax....until the next project comes to your attention. The first thing I did was tint the windows and order the factory lip spoiler.

    I added the mud guards, and I recommend Lamin-X fog light protectors. They are a clear (or tinted) vinyl cover to prevent stone chips. $18, and custom cut for your car. They have a sticky backing and install in seconds.

    Lastly I added a small Infinity Powered sub-woofer that only takes up 1 cubic foot of trunk space, and it really fills in the bass without booming or waking the neighborhood. It's called a Basslink. $250.
  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 477
    Got lip spoiler (Sport) and mud flaps, trunk mat, wheel locks, and window tint already on from the dealer. The fog light protectors seem like a good idea, we've broken one (not bothered to repair yet) on our Yukon.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited October 2013
    Then I bow to you good sir. Enjoy your car. The problem sometimes with a cracked fog light is water seeps in and ruins the whole assembly. I have blue tinted ones on my car...they come in yellow, smoke, light smoke, and clear. There is a 10% coupon code. It is a creative enigma : 10off

    Post some pics! I want a look-see.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    Yeah, I saw it for the first time about a week ago. The baby was crying next to a fire hydrant....the owners face says it all.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    As a previous nitrogen skeptic, (in the context of this chat) I found your findings fairly interesting and informing. I was of the thinking that while I had heard that it does not permeate rubber as easily as air, I sorta thought it might have fallen a little close to the category of sticker branding theft labels which I know now to be a huge and BLATANT ripoff. Sounds like the nitrogen does have some real value.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Don't drop the ball there, Chris, tell us how that crap ruined the tire. I believe you, but am curious of the specifics.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited October 2013
    Ugh...there is simply NOTHING wrong with drum rear brakes on cars of this class..and even the next class up. First of all, the parking brake works so much more effectively requiring way way WAY fewer adjustments. The odds of the Mrs. driving off with it on is much reduced. They are also far far FAR more corrosion resistant friendly, altho those in VA won't have any firsthand experience realizing this so you can be excused there. Also, they last way way WAY longer! Hell, there are drum brakes on some poster's cars here on Edmunds that have gone well over 150k miles on the original shoes.

    Now from a performance and more to the point..even 'racing' aspect, yes, discs get the nod. While looking at a manual wind up window stick Accent with no A/C, I just shook my head in disgust as I walked away after the salesman was touting the fact that even their base base BASE car had rear discs. It's all big rims. Answers to questions that no one with any sense has ever asked.

    Ya..ya.. I know I'm gonna get "but" from some out be it..
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    The new Corolla looks nice, but breaks no new ground in styling by blacking our the front bumper to evoke the big grill look.

    And Toyota foolishly allowed this car to not do well in the crash tests. Shame on them..especially since the Camry too has taken this same recent heat. Personally, I drive pretty defensively, but side crash weaknesses especially get my attention due to the very-hard-to-be-on-top-of T bone scenes..

    I like the interior smell of Toyotas. I like other things too of course, but they seem to keep missing the boat...their penny counters need a cuff upside the head somewhere within the decision makers..
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited October 2013
    After tediously dismounting and mounting my own race rubber on many a bike rim, I can tell ya from experience..not all rims come out of the factory identical in size to one next to it. There's 'loose' fit and tight fit rims. I've been unfortunate enough to get a few tight fit ones. I know this because I have changed rubber for friends with the identical bike. The idea here is that I assume a tight fit rim is going to resist bead leakage a lot better than a loose spec. I can only assume this anomaly must be present in auto rims too.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,992
    "sticker branding theft labels"

    You lost me with this term????
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    edited October 2013
    I'm probably not using the right term, but it's the various branding or etching measures by various companies (specific names escape me just now but I think they all compete for top rip-off spot) that claim they can track and report parts and supposedly report findings to the cops by the serial numbers. The idea is they put these stickers on each fender, hood, trunk, etch glass etc and the so-called deterrent is that a thief will leave your car alone because it costs them too much to replace all the components that had stickers. Crap..almost thought of one of the company names..but it's just not quite there..
    The dealers pay about 30 to 40 bucks for them, then charge the customer about 250 and up, and say that it is a "non-negotiable charge that they must transfer to the buyer".

    edit..altho I think I edited the wrong post before..hopefully i have the right one this time..

    edit..found a link to it..this is their rebuttal. Damage control at its finest..
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,992
    Oh, I see what you're talking about now. I thought it was numbers etched into windows and such that made it less lucrative to steal parts because it would be very difficult to remove the etchings or engravings or whatever. Never heard of just stickers being used but it is certainly possible. Couldn't a sticker just be easily removed?

    Regardless, I agree that dealers charging outlandish fees for any of these add ons is ridiculous. Whether it's etchings, pinstripes, N2 in tires, wheel locks etc. I try my hardest to avoid dealers like that and if I can't I certainly let them know up front just how schlocky I think the practice is.
  • vservser Posts: 48
    Deep in my search of a new car, I test drove an optima today. It was the 2.0 turbo with premium and tech package. Upon first looks, the exterior was beautiful. Still saw the kia badge and wondered what I was doing there. I opened the car and sat in it. It had the cockpit feeling. It wasn't big nor too small. Just about right. I'm 5'9 200 lbs. the infotainment system was tilted towards the driver, which was a very nice touch. With my arm resting on the shifter I could reach the radio. It had an 8 inch screen too. The stereo was pretty good. IMHO it was better than the fusion and altima and killed the accord. The panoramic sunroof was also very nice. The steering wheel felt good too. A few negatives included the back seat had no head room. When I sat back there i barely had a few inches above my head. My daughter banged her head when she tried to sit in the middle. The ride was very firm to the point I felt the bumps. The steering was very tight too. There was no drifting like the Santa Fe that I tried. Other than the cramped back, lack of seat height adj for the passenger seat, and the very firm ride, I thought the interior was the best setup in all the mid-sized cars. The Infiniti stereo was the best of the bunch. So, fellow enthusiasts, what am I missing. 10 yr warranty means nothing if the car is in the shop. Most avg ppl advise to stay away from kia, but hyundai is good to go. I'm thinking I could get this car for 28 plus dest, taxes, etc. The turbo had pep, but the dealer said I could save even more by getting an ex with the same packages. Thoughts or advice appreciated.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 394
    The Kia is the same car as the Hyundai with a different body and interior ( and perhaps suspension tuning) so it you are okay with the reliability of the Hyundai the Kia should be just as reliable, people's perceptions are lagging reality here I think. If you like it best of the bunch then you should go for it, I don't think you will have a problem reliability wise at least.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,179
    edited October 2013
    >After tediously dismounting and mounting

    I don't see a point of the post as a response to mine.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    I don't see a point of the post as a response to mine.

    I suspect the quality of the inner tire lining and the quality preparation of the rim seal area on your tires

    The water vapor is credited with causing some corrosion like roughening on the bead seats that can cause leakage as the tire squirms.

    The tighter the rubber bead of the tire is compressed against the form fit of the rim bead, the greater resistance to leakage. Furthermore, the lesser chance that water vapour can undermine that seal. This is a much more common issue with aluminum rims...and owners who let their tires get too low, and corner hard on roads that have been salted on a regular basis.

    I would have thought this reference was obvious. Why is everyone on this board so frig touchy lately?? Sheesh..'s not's the norm.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,179
    edited October 2013
    >he water vapor is credited with causing some corrosion like roughening on the bead seats that can cause leakage as the tire squirms.

    Now, with that said, I see where your point is going.

    > corner hard on roads that have been salted

    I have read that too as a factor in corroding some rims by letting outside moisture with salts get under the edge of the bead.

    >Why is everyone on this board so frig touchy

    I didn't know where you were going. I thought you meant that leakage with N2 or normal air (80% N2) goes under the edge of the bead, on some rims which are not as tight as others, to a greater degree and the concept that the larger molecular size of gaseous nitrogen is not a retardant to migration through the rubber as claimed by the N2 generator (concentrator) sellers.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    I think they provide a better feel than a car with disc-drum setup, and they perform better in the wet. Also, modern stability control systems with Electronic Brake (force) Distribution (EBD) work better with disc/disc setups, especially when working in conjunction with an all wheel drive vehicle. They have faster response time and less mass so they pump faster.

    Drum brakes and stick rear suspensions are cheap. That is why it is on the Corolla. However, 95% of the compact car competition uses disc/disc. Toyota is betting that they will still sell a boatload of them anyway, and they are probably right. The Corolla's reliability continues to be legendary and former owners will have no problem with the drums. The ones that do can get the S- Premium model which does have them.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    Your post is dead on accurate. Including the suspension tuning.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited October 2013
    Hey vser, I dug through the Car & Driver mid-size sedan showdown from May 2012. It has the Optima vs the Sonata as part of the comparo, along with the Passat, Accord, Malibu, and the '13 Camry.

    Here is the link: - accord-ex-l-2012-hyundai-sonata-se-2012-kia-optima-ex-2012-toyota-camry-se-2012-- - volkswagen-passat-25-se-comparison-tests

    The Optima EX came in 3rd, and the Sonata SE was 4th in this one.

    I will dig a little deeper and see if I can find a "Sonoptima" Turbo vs Turbo contest.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 960
    Note that both the 'bu and the Accord were re-designed for 2013. And the Malibu again for 2014. Sonata got updates too.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    edited October 2013
    Since you mentioned the Elantra had midsize room, I thought I'd post this. My son and his friends were supposed to take a trip to Houston last weekend in a 2009 Elantra. My son, and another friend were sitting in the back seat. Half way there, the rear fender shredded the rear tire because the car was sitting too low and rubbed on the tire. If the car can easily fit two 250+ pound guys in back, plus four people's luggage in the trunk, shouldn't the suspension be able to handle it too? The trip was cancelled because they probably would have shredded another tire before they got to Houston.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited October 2013
    On the Optima LX and EX you get a compressor and a can of tire sealant in lieu of a spare tire. (You do get a spare on all SX models).

    I had a nail in my tire about 2 months after I bought the car, so I went to get the spare out, but all I found was a fancy can of fix-a-flat and a 12 volt compressor.

    The directions said to attach the tire sealant to the compressor and then turn the unit on. As it pumps up the tire it also blows in the tire sealant.

    Then, you are supposed to immediately get in the car and drive it at least 5 miles to spread the sealant evenly. I even spun the tire a few times while it was on the jack.

    It took less than 5 mins to put all the gear back in the trunk and I drove off to go to the Shell station for a tire plug after the 5 miles had elapsed. I made sure I kept my speed steady at 45 mph or so.

    Needless to say the tire started vibrating on the way to work and later that day the dealer had to scrape all that gunk out of the tire where it had hardened all in one spot around the leak. He could not get all of it w/o scraping the rubber off itself, and said that he couldn't get the tire 100% balanced....but it did drive OK.

    In the end the sealant did work, but all the damage and time was not worth the 10 pound saved by not including a spare tire. The trunk even has the Styrofoam packaging with a hole where the spare is supposed to be.

    Before my next road trip that hole will be filled with a mini-spare.

    My neighborhood had a rash of nails in tires and after 4 more plugs over two years I jettisoned the Nexen's before my vacation road trip. Sure enough that tire was cupped, and all of the tires were 3/4 worn after only 18k.
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