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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • gooddeal2gooddeal2 Posts: 749
    Wow, I didn't realize that the Malibu is more expensive than the Accord or Altima. I think GM lowered their inflated prices in late 2004 already...may be they didn't cut them enough?

    Invoice base Malibu LS----$21,890
    Invoice base Accord LX----$20,533
    Invoice base Altima 2.5S--$21,196

    I can understand that the Altima costs a little more than the Accord b/c of the Intelligent key and dual exhaust but I don't see any special extras in the Malibu.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Well, there's OnStar on the Malibu, and a 6AT (is that standard now?), but are those worth $1400 more than an Accord considering the Accord's historically high resale value? Apparently not!
  • gooddeal2gooddeal2 Posts: 749
    Only 4AT for the LS. I don't really count the OnStar b/c you need to pay after the first year and I don't think you will use that often for a brand new car.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    OnStar is a navigation system (sort of) along with the emergency call feature, so it's very likely it will be used by owners in the first year. As for the emergency features... I suppose GM would assert that if you only use it once, it will more than pay for itself.

    You have to pay for the satellite radio fees on cars so equipped (e.g. Sonata) after the first year or so, so I suppose we should discount that feature on mid-sized cars also. ;)
  • gooddeal2gooddeal2 Posts: 749
    Hmm, I was thinking it's more for the emergency services? Can you use at least the Nav feature after 1 year if you don't want to pay the fee?

    ...I check OnStar website, $200/year for safe& sound and $300/year if you want to add the Nav.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Don't know, maybe someone who has a GM car with OnStar can tell us.
  • xmechxmech Posts: 90
    Those OnStar commercials always scare me. Those cars always crash! ;)
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874

    Another cool feature is that they can unlock your car doors should you lock your keys inside. My in-laws have used that a couple of times. Not sure it is worth the cost though.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Suburu labels the Outback as a SUV so that is good enough for me as it is apparent they aren't grouping sales together.

    But they are lumped together. They were combined in the WJS list of cars with largest sales. There was a post that implied that the Subaru was a much bigger seller than the Mazda6 (which no longer has a wagon or hatch version in the US, btw), that claim appears to have been based on sales of Outback+Legacy.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    Another cool feature is that they can unlock your car doors should you lock your keys inside.

    Let's see - would you rather call OnStar (if you didn't lock your cell phone in the car), identify yourself and wait several minutes for the satellite to unlock your door (assuming you have satellite coverage)


    punch in 5 numbers on Ford/Lincoln keypad and be on your way in 10 seconds?

    Also with OnStar you have to essentially buy an extra cell line. With Sync you use your existing phone and it makes a local 911 call. OnStar goes to a national number.

    And has everyone seen the new MyFord and MyLincoln interfaces? Wow. Just Wow. Blows away everything else out there including BMW, Audi and Mercedes. to-come-is-awesome/
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    That assumes the person who locked the keys in the car remembers the 5 numbers. If they were capable of locking their keys in the car despite all the safeguards against that, it's possible they won't be able to remember 5 numbers. :sick:
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    How about neither and instead have the VW system that makes it virtually impossible to accidentally lock your keys in the car, in the first place?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Yes the new Occupant / Vehicle interfaces are state-of-the-art IMO. As I understand it they come basic, middle and loaded with content. This will be the next area of intense competition IMO. Cars are Cars are Cars now.
    Styling is very subjective.
    All makers are essentially on the same level in saftey equipment and protection capabilities.
    Engines and drivetrains are maxxed out for most in terms of power needs.
    Fuel efficiency can always be improved.
    Leather? Sunroof? Power Seats? Sales tools of the 90's.
    But everybody is going to be trying to attract new tech-savvy buyers with upscale hightech environments.

    Also the debut of this new set of features at CES is a brilliant stroke of marketing.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I wonder when we'll hear more about the Microsoft-sourced system that Hyundai/Kia announced in 2008? No word yet re a specific application, even though some all-new 2010-11 models (Sonata, Tucson) are already out (or nearly so wrt Sonata).
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    I wonder if that is the WSJ adding them together or if that is the way Suburu reports them.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    They had a new '11 Sorento at the CES and displayed the new system you're talking about. I read about it on and they had a video of it's operation....pretty slick. Called UVO, very close to SYNC. They said it will be available on the Sorento towards midyear.
  • xmechxmech Posts: 90
    Yes. I love the styling and features of my Fusion, but I would have loved the keyless entry and start like I saw demonstrated to me in the Nissan Sentra. (When gas was $5/gallon and,....) Convenient stuff!
  • "That assumes the person who locked the keys in the car remembers the 5 numbers. If they were capable of locking their keys in the car despite all the safeguards against that, it's possible they won't be able to remember 5 numbers"

    That is the weakest argument I think I have ever seen (above) Can't you just say that Ford built a darn good car for the money? Lets say that you make the code something you can remember like the first 5 numbers of your phone number :surprise: then I have keyless entry and a sync system that is hands free calling, changing radio stations ect. Hell it will even call 911 if your airbags are deployed and it doesn't cost 1 penny per month service. The 390 watt Sony stereo with the sirius radio isn't bad either. I would say go test drive a 2010 Fusion and you will know what I'm talking about.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I was thinking of someone specific when I made that comment--my DW. I love her, but someone who puts the keys (with remote) in her purse, puts the purse on the passenger seat, opens the driver's door, locks the doors, gets out of the car and closes the driver's door... habitually... I just wonder if she could remember five numbers. :sick:

    In case you haven't noticed, I've made many positive remarks about the Fusion over the years, and in fact recently noted I would own one now had I been able to find a good deal on a used one on Black Friday. But it was not to be.

    And yes, I've driven several Fusions and Milans, and I like how they drive. I'm not a big fan of superpowered audio systems in cars, since I can blow my ears out with ordinary systems set at fairly low volume if I want to, but I know those appeal to many buyers.
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,232
    Actually the Solara was always the Camry Solara and it's now out of production. Similarly the Matrix has always been the Corolla Matrix ever since it arrived.

    The Venza which replaced the Solara is not a Camry Venza.

    I know the Solara was always the Camry Solara. I didn't say it wasn't. BTW Solara is still marketed though the latest version is '08.

    The Matrix is not marketed as the Corolla Matrix, at least not on Toyota's web site.

    Re: Venza replacing Camry Solara. How could a 5-door wagon replace a 2-door convertible? :confuse:
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