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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,722

    I expect Accord to rebound so doubtful Fusion will be #1.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,306

    I agree on the weather deal. It isn't often we get single digit cold, and with the kids either out of school or two hours late opening, parents have no time, and no desire; to go out in the cold to buy a car. I don't even want to go out to MY car! :)

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,306

    @akirby said: I expect Accord to rebound so doubtful Fusion will be #1.

    After sitting in a Few Fusions at the auto-show the only thing I did not care for was the center stack clicky- push buttons. The rest was great and very modern.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,103
    edited February 5

    The delta between 4th and 5th place is interesting, almost a 50% drop. Clearly there are the big 4 midsizers and then the rest of the bunch.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746

    Except if you add up the sales by automaker, it's closer, e.g. Hyundai/Kia selling almost 20,000 for the month, and Chrysler nearly 15,000--which is amazing given how the 200 and Avenger are the worst mid-sizers in the bunch. If Chrysler can sell 15,000 of those turkeys, they should do very well with the new 200.

    So I'd say it's the Big 6 and Everyone Else.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785

    from Auto news

    http://www.autonews.com/article/20140204/RETAIL01/302049919/detroit-3-shrug-off-rising-output-stockpiles-after-january-chill

    Detroit 3 shrug off rising output, stockpiles after January chill Pricing discipline to be tested, analysts warn

    ....Now, after Ford added a second factory of Fusion production late last year, the challenge will be maintaining prices that Ford said average almost $24,000 a car. Fusion sales fell 8 percent last month.

    Challenge coming

    "The big challenge won't be until the first big automaker really breaks ranks on pricing and we approach a market top and we see how people deal with it," Wakefield said. "Dealing with growing 5 percent or 10 percent a year is a lot different than dealing with a reduction."

    Scraping for sales in a slow market with bloated inventories could set off a price war, AutoNation's Jackson warned.

    "High inventories, market-share ambitions, slower-growing market: The tinder is there this year," he said in an interview last month. "The last four years haven't been a real test for the industry. This year will be a real test."

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,910

    Here in the Northeast NYC, we have another snowstorm today and a big one to follow this Sunday into monday. The Cars wont be moving anytime soon. This will mean more incentive and rebates and lower prices.. This is truly good news for the consumer.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756

    @brian125

    **Here in the Northeast NYC, we have another snowstorm today and a big one to follow this Sunday into Monday **

    This has me thinking ahead to when my lease is up. Living in CT and commuting to the Bronx every day really puts a value on AWD/4WD for me. This AM if you didn't have AWD/4WD or snow tires you weren't getting very far. With a new 2015 coming out, there will be big discounts and great deals to be had on leftover 2014 Legacys.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,828

    Since my Fusion is in the body shop, I drove the Edge loaner today. It was really good in the snow. They are considered to be somewhat overweight, but it really pays off on a day like today. Even on slippery uphill starts, it didn't slip.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,910

    My Genesis R-spec with rwd is useless in this weather just going to let it sit in the garage another month til i could get it down to my house in Myrtle beach. Thank god for the awd/ 4wd suv's in this weather. Amazing how many people with cars take a chance and drive in this kind of weather . Not to smart.

    Nyccarguy

    A left over 2014 legacy would be a excellent choice with 2015 models comming out in the fall....Let me know when you are going to buy. I know several dealerships that i dealt with.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447

    Actually tires play a much more important role than AWD in snow and ice. After all they also help when turning and stopping while AWD only helps while accelerating.

    Not being able to accelerate can be a pain, but not being able to stop is what gets you into real trouble.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,306

    Benjaminh said: ....Now, after Ford added a second factory of Fusion production late last year, the challenge will be maintaining prices that Ford said average almost $24,000 a car. Fusion sales fell 8 percent last month.

    My car stickered at $24,000. Exactly average price for an average mid size sedan with above average looks I guess.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756

    @brian125

    Thanks! I appreciate the heads up. My lease is up at the end of September, so I'll most likely be looking to buy (or lease) around Labor Day.

    @dudleyr

    Yes, you are correct. I made it through many winters in the suburbs of NYC with my trusty, (but never rusty) 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH with FWD, a 5-Speed Manual Transmission, & a set of (minus 1) Michelin Pilot Alpin snow tires mounted on 15" steel wheels. 3 1/2 years ago I moved from my condo in Hartsdale, NY (Westchester County) to a house in Stamford, CT. They don't plow as well, they don't salt (people have well water), it is a little colder, we get more snow, have curvier back roads, and we've got a lot more hills... So I switched to AWD and haven't looked back. Regardless of the fact that I have AWD in my car and 4WD in my wife's SUV, I still drive cautiously in the snow & ice. I don't miss storing an extra set of tires & wheels plus having them switched 2x per year.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,722

    One thing Ford is not going to do is overproduce Fusions and drop the prices/increase incentives to move them. Any excess plant capacity in Flat Rock can be shared with Mustang and upcoming MKS and Taurus.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,930

    Bradd, Labor Day should be a perfect time to Devore a great lease deal on a 2014. I may be in the market around the same time, since that us right after when my daughter leaves to start college and I expect to have my driveway clearance sale.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756

    @stickguy

    We can do a double CCBA punch & buy together:)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,306

    @akirby said: One thing Ford is not going to do is overproduce Fusions and drop the prices/increase incentives to move them. Any excess plant capacity in Flat Rock can be shared with Mustang and upcoming MKS and Taurus.

    I sat in a Taurus SEL and ate my lunch at the auto show. Why? Because it was big enough for me and just as much that no one else wanted to. That's when I examined the center stack and found hugely misaligned panels, especially the nav screen, which had 1/4 to 1/2 inch gaps behind it just like C/D said. The interior materials were OK, but no where near as nice as my $10,000 less expensive Optima, or your $10,000 less Fusion.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,828
    edited February 7

    @dudleyr We are sold on AWD. It's there when you need it all year long. No drama, no trying to figure out when should I put on the winter tires or take them off. It can maximize the tires that are mounted on the vehicle. I tried to spin the Edge a bit in a parking lot. It just cut the power to keep it going in a circle. It won't help you stop, but you have to getting moving first, then you worry about stopping. :D

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447

    4 snows get me going just fine. I enjoy not worrying about stopping - except for the guy behind me that can't stop. ;)

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,756

    @explorerx4

    That's the perfect way to describe it. The AWD systems now are quite sophisticated and very transparent. 355 days a year my BMW's balanced, RWD chassis help it perform as advertised. When the weather turns white, I usually leave before the roads are plowed. I've got to open up at 7:30 AM.

    Before so many manufacturers offered SUVs and cars with AWD, pick a house somewhere in New England. At least 1 car was a Jeep, Subaru, or Audi.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,306

    I loved my Grand Cherokee Laredo V8. Great handling in the snow. When I was in high school

    I was handed down my fathers 1978 Plymouth Trail-Duster 4x4 white with red and orange stripes, 440 V8, and as always....dual exhaust. The top could be removed and driven as a convertible. Great first car!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,828

    Got the Fusion back today.New rear bumper looks good, maybe even fits better the one before. Supposed to drive to Ohio next weekend. Am hoping to take the Fusion, but it may depend on the weather.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,828

    @cski said: 1978 Plymouth Trail-Duster.

    Those kind of rare. Although pretty much the same thing, let me see, should i buy a Dodge Ramcharger or Plymouth Trail Duster? :o

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,244

    I've only seen 2 in my entire automotive career. Well, two that I've noticed.

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785

    Ford, like everyone else, has more capacity to build their midsize car than they have sales. Story from Wards auto about how both the Flat Rock and Mexico factories building the Fusion are taking down time to reduce inventories:

    http://wardsauto.com/plants-amp-production/flat-rock-get-back-speed-ford-exec-says

    ....Ford shifted some Fusion production to Flat Rock in August to meet escalating demand for the sedan and soak up unused capacity at the facility. Previously, the car was built solely in Mexico.

    But since then, Fusion sales have cooled, with inventories rising to a 97-day supply at the end of January, despite two weeks of downtime at the Flat Rock plant during the month and 3-weeks of shutdowns at the Hermosillo, Mexico, facility so far this year.

    Flat Rock utilization ran at only 43% in 2013, but a WardsAuto forecast calls for that to increase to 68% with Fusion added to the mix for the full year....

    “There's more capacity (for) Fusion than there are sales right now...."

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,910
    edited February 10

    Speaking of Ford...

    I always thought Ford was making better vehicles than GM.. Is it possible Gm has caught up?

    Here in NYC/ 5 boro's. Our Sanatation dept has its offical car the Fusion. All white with orange and blue markings . I see alot of them thru the city. Mostly supervisor and bosses have them to check up on our garbage pick up and problems .

    Ford has had a good run with there Crown vic's as yellow cabs in NYC for many years. Seems like as these cars get older they are being replaced with more Toyota hybrids, and Nissans.

    Hey Gm Your no where to be found here????? Are you not in the car business..

    Nissan new nv200 is the new mini/ box cab truck that has been approved to be one of the offical vehicles for city cabs. 12 thousand units will be made to start up production.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,722

    GM is getting much better. The new Impala is impressive. But it seems to be hit and miss - some great products, some not so great. And still no regular hybrids from GM - just the Volt and ELR.

    Ford has done more of an across the board improvement on almost every vehicle but they seem to be having more engineering and parts issues now although I think that's a product of an accelerated development cycle to get to common global platforms and ecoboost engines for CAFE compliance.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,746

    Depends what you mean by a "regular" hybrid. GM has been building "mild" hybrids for years, including the Malibu. Call these "eAssist" I think. Not the same kind of hybrid system as used by the likes of Toyota or Ford, but gas engine with some electric assist. Also they now have the Spark EV, which may be the lowest-priced EV in the US.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,828

    @brian125 said: Speaking of Ford...

    Lat time I was in Manhattan, I saw plenty of Hybrid police cars, Altima's, Camry's and Fusion's.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,722

    @backy said: Depends what you mean by a "regular" hybrid. GM has been building "mild" hybrids for years, including the Malibu. Call these "eAssist" I think. Not the same kind of hybrid system as used by the likes of Toyota or Ford, but gas engine with some electric assist.

    I mean real hybrids, not just start/stop eassist mild hybrids that only get a few mpg better than the regular versions.

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