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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689

    The climate control buttons and dials are going back to the center stack and no more capacitive touch controls. That should be the new design as vehicles get new/redesigned interiors.

  • lovmycarlovmycar Posts: 15

    brian125, I gave up racing many years ago but if I still did there is one car I would own, the Cadillac CTS-V. We are in a whole different world in this thread with 2.0 so I won't say anymore about racing.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,992

    Ours is old with 109,000. It's a 2007 with the auto I4. We average about 28 mpg with it with about 33 on the highway. It's been a super car and is the first Mazda product we've had but am definitely looking at replacing it this year and the new Mazda6 is on the list. My wife drives it back and forth to work(she absconded with it about 6 months after I bought it) and the only thing she wants different in her next car is for it to be quieter. I'm pretty sure the newer ones are quieter just like the new Accords are much quieter than the older ones. The Accord Hybrid is also on our list. I drive a newer Acura and have had just super experience with that too.

    The Mazda has had no repairs, just maint. unless you want to count a couple of light bulbs as repairs. I don't think I've ever had a car that went this many years and this many miles with no repairs(knock on wood) and I've had a bunch of vehicles. The only other car she has mentioned is a BMW but we tend to keep cars a long time and I don't want to pay for expensive out of warranty repairs that are pretty much standard with the German cars.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,452

    I got the auto issue of C-R today so read it through. The Accord was top rated in this class, but the mazda was only about 2 points behind. And for mileage, the Accord got an impressive 30 overall in their tests, but the 6 beat that out getting 32 (and no CVT!)

    The 6 would be high on my list if I was to buy new, assuming I wanted to go up a size class from the 3. Almost as good mileage, but quite a bit roomier, and probably cheaper real-world if you want the 2.5l engine.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,763
    edited March 1

    Most comparisons of midsize cars have put either the Mazda first or the Accord first. If you're considering between those two it's a tough choice! Here are a few points....

    Style: almost everyone would agree that the Mazda is more stylish, although the Accord, esp. the Sport model, is a classy looking ride.

    MPG: There's a slight edge for the Mazda6 here, although actually the auto versions are both rated by the epa at 30 mpg combined.

    Price: virtual tie. The Mazda6 auto has an msrp starting at $22,695, while the Accord auto starts at $22,755.

    Safety: Slight edge for the Accord, as it's the only midsize car to get a Good rating on the small-offset crash test by the IIHS.

    Acceleration: Slight edge for the Mazda in some tests.

    Handling: Slight edge for the Mazda in most tests.

    Interior room: Slight edge for the Accord, as it has a roomier back seat area. Passenger volume is 103.2 for the Accord compared to 99.7 for the 6.

    Visibility: Slight edge for the Accord.

    Luggage space: 15.8 cu ft. for the Accord vs. 14.8 for the Mazda6

    Reliability and durability: Probably a tie

    Service: There are a lot more Honda dealers than Mazda dealers in the US, and so service is probably easier with the Honda.

    Both cars are great choices imho.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,763

    One last point, which probably isn't a consideration for many people, is that the Accord is made in Ohio while the Mazda6 is made in Japan. I'm old-fashioned, but it gives me a good feeling to know that the money I spend on a car is keeping jobs going and money circulating in the US.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,834

    Don't forget to thank the government for that benjamin...the 'build it here" phenomenon was in response to threats of higher tariffs on imports, back when Japan was eating American manufacturers alive, in the 1980s.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,452

    one wild card though on durability. It remains to be seen if the Honda CVT is going to be bulletproof or a time bomb.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715

    On reliability... CR says the only Accord model with at least average predicted reliability as a new car is the 4 cylinder sedan. The others are either worse than average or much worse than average... quite a departure for Honda. The most reliable mid-sized cars, per CR, are the Camry Hybrid and the 4-cylinder Legacy, followed by the 4-cylinder Camry and Mazda6.

    As far as overall score, the Camry Hybrid and XLE V6 are actually CR's top choices, followed by the Accord LX 4-cylinder and EX-L V6 (although that model is not recommended due to reliability issues). Then one point behind the Accord are the Sonata 2.0T (also not recommended due to reliability issues) and the Sonata GLS, tied with the Malibu 2LTZ 2.0T. Then the Camry LE, and finally the Mazda6 Sport, Fusion SE Hybrid (not recommended due to subpar reliability), and then all the rest.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,644
    edited March 1

    I posted earlier in the mazda forum in jan on this model here is my updated version of the 2014 mazda a6.

    brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 1,766 3:21PM edited 3:28PM

    Just want to follow up on my last comments in Jan.. I drove the the 2014 mazda touring model a few days ago and i agree Mazda has done a very nice job with this vehicle. My son who drives a infinity G37's liked this model, but disliked engine a little underpowered, center stack was confusing, and hard ride.

    What i liked and i agree with my son was the 11 speaker bose system in the touring model. 19' tires. I really liked the smaller wheel, upscale interior and mazda new smart city brake system. what this does is when vehicle is going 20mph or less if a frontal collision is detected it will apply the brakes. The Mazda Handled better than my EXL V-6 Accord. Mazda's radio blew away the hondas radio system. But i still feel My accord has less road noise , Rides better on harsh roads, and is alot faster. Accord has a little more interior room. Mazda has a bad track record on interior noise. This model was a upgrade

    My only problem and this is why i would not buy this Mazda... The Ride / suspension We felt every bump in this car. On nice level roads here in the nyc area which there are not many of lol.., the mazda rode nice otherwise i cant be in a everyday vehicle like this. This kind of ride is not for me anymore.

    Maybe the hard ride was worse due to the 19' tires on the touring model dont know. This mazda did handle very well. i think the younger kids will love this vehicle..... just not for me.

    Id love to hear from someone who drove the lower end model with the 16' / 17' tires

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    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited March 2

    @stickguy said: I got the auto issue of C-R today so read it through. The Accord was top rated in this class, but the mazda was only about 2 points behind. And for mileage, the Accord got an impressive 30 overall in their tests, but the 6 beat that out getting 32 (and no CVT!)

    It just makes no sense to me that the top-of-the-line Accord Touring V6 has wheels that look just like hubcaps. HONDA. Put the sport wheels on the touring!! Yesterday! I saw one today. I bet they would move a few more units with the Sport wheels, which are very, very sharp.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,644
    edited March 2

    cski said,

    It just makes no sense to me that the top-of-the-line Accord Touring V6 has wheels that look just like hubcaps. HONDA. Put the sport wheels on the touring!! Yesterday! I saw one today. I bet they would move a few more units with the Sport wheels, which are very, very sharp.

    Honda has also done a very bad job on there CRV lx model. The rims on that vehicle are a disgrace. Shame on you honda to put a ugly ancient looking rim on a vehicle that cost 23k for starters.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,763
    edited March 2

    On one leg of a trip we took yesterday we hit 40 mpg in our 2013 Accord CVT. It was about a 70 mile stretch of Interstate between Cincinnati and Columbus. The car had three passengers + luggage, and we were going c. 62-72 mph on that leg. The AC was shut off, but we were running the heater and the stereo. I think in our 2008 Accord 4 cylinder we would have gotten about 31 mpg for this trip, and so that's a pretty good improvement in one generation of car. It makes me wonder what the next generation of Accord, due in 2018, will be able to do on a highway trip...? (Click on the image to see a more readable version of the trip computer.) This is a new record for us on mpg for a normal highway trip. I should say though that that stretch of highway is pretty flat, and conditions were dry and close to ideal. On the way back we were battling through the winter storm that's just hit (Titan?) and the mpg was significantly lower: c. 33-36.

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,644

    ben

    I also had a 2008 Accord. Never got 31 mpg. When I traveled from NY to my house in Myrtle beach I was getting between 25 to maybe 28 mpg. This was cruising at 75 and at times close to 85 when conditions permited. I would think if i set the cruise at 65 i could get 30 mpg.

    My dad was in the Oil business he retired in 1985. I always remember him telling me that American car companies have the technologies to make cars get better gas mileage but wont til the goverment forces them to produce and make them more efficient. I guess we will never know how much money was given under the tables from the oil bigs to car manufactorers, Lobbyists and gov't to keep things status quo all those years. These vehicles that are out today my dad spoke of years ago.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263

    @brian125 said: cski said,

    It just makes no sense to me that the top-of-the-line Accord Touring V6 has wheels that look just like hubcaps. HONDA. Put the sport wheels on the touring!! Yesterday! I saw one today. I bet they would move a few more units with the Sport wheels, which are very, very sharp.

    Honda has also done a very bad job on there CRV lx model. The rims on that vehicle are a disgrace. Shame on you honda to put a ugly ancient looking rim on a vehicle that cost 23k for starters.

    I seem to remember that Honda was pretty stingy about offering aluminum alloys across the board in the past. Even the great Handling Acura Integra 2 door with the sunroof, wing, and top end everything had steel wheels and hubcaps. You had to step into an Si type model to get them. Well, even the LX now has alloys....so thats progress.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,644
    edited March 3

    I guess hondas view on this is were giving you Quality, Build, and good resale on our vehicles.

    Now you want us to give you vehicles that look nice and rims to .... God forbid.

    LOL

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,683

    @brian125 said: ben

    American car companies have the technologies to make cars get better gas mileage but wont til the government forces them to produce.

    How about other countries? Here, it's a balance between the government mandates, what the customers want and what the manufacturer can profitably produce. People only car about fuel when it costs them a lot of money.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,834

    fuel is America's largest export product! We can't be toooo short of it, can we?

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689

    If the technology existed and was affordable, it would be on the market already. No mfr would hold back something that would bring them huge sales volumes.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited March 3

    @explorerx4 said: How about other countries? Here, it's a balance between the government mandates, what the customers want and what the manufacturer can profitably produce. People only car about fuel when it costs them a lot of money.

    I for one would like to see more diesel models available in the US, but our stringent EPA regulations requiring expensive urea injection systems to keep the emissions clean, among other things, make offering them less attractive to manufacturers. They are slowly becoming more common and prices are slowly coming down. I would buy a BMW 335d if conditions were right. Also, I was really pining for the new Mazda 6 with it's 2.2 liter twin scroll diesel making upwards of 300 lb-Ft and 180 hp. I am still waiting for it to hit showrooms.
    Here is a good explanation of why we do not get the same great compact diesels that Europe does (other than the fact that gas costs $8.00 a gallon in western EU).

    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1051249_five-reasons-small-diesels-wont-dominate-the-u-s-car-market

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,444
    edited March 3

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: fuel is America's largest export product! We can't be toooo short of it, can we?

    Actually we are very short - we use over twice what we produce. Our oil production peaked in the 70's.

    I think some like to confuse the facts by comparing refined oil - which we do export. But overall we use much much more "oil" than we produce.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,834

    Don't discount that whopping difference in fuel prices---Americans have been known to 'turn on a dime" when fuel prices change radically. Think about the "old days" when diesel cars held about 6% of the US market---diesel fuel was cheaper than regular.

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,263
    edited March 3

    "Let it snow let it snow let it snow". We are getting hit again. This time with a half inch of ice underneath 6" of snow as a bonus. There have been over 300 accidents in Fairfax and Prince William County alone since midnight last night.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689

    And everyone was laughing at Atlanta........

    I don't care where you live - you can't drive on solid ice with regular tires.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,834

    you can't drive on ice with ANY tires really. I mean, you can TRY, or use sheet metal screws I suppose, but really, ice and cars don't mix. You need some....substance...to GRIP....

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,763
    edited March 3

    Given that diesel costs more per gallon, sometimes there's not much of a case for diesel in terms of saving money.

    For example, a new Mazda6, Honda Accord, and Nissan Altima all have lower annual gas costs according to the EPA than a VW Passat diesel. The Passat diesel gets c. 3-5 more mpg, but the higher cost of diesel completely wipes out any savings. And since a Passat diesel costs c. $2000-$3000 more than a comparably equipped Altima, Accord, or Mazda6, you pay a premium for savings that don't really exist.

    If you're in love with diesel for other reasons, like torque, or because you never want to change spark plugs, or you want to help VW gain market share, then good on ya. But if you're buying a diesel to save money, then right now it's a tough case to make since the new generations of gas cars get such good mpg.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,689

    Exactly. Although snow tires do seem to help, even on ice.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,763

    midsize sales for Feb....

    Altima: 30,849

    Camry: 28,998

    Fusion: 23,898

    Accord: 23,712

    Malibu: 17,448

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,896

    It surprises me the Altima is the best seller. It just isn't on my radar at all. Truly an anonymous car, and I always felt the CVT hurt it. Maybe the segment just doesn't care.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,763
    edited March 3

    As The Chairman says on The Iron Chef: "Let the battle begin!" Nissan, Toyota, and Ford are all offering 0% financing plus cash on the hood. They're almost giving them away! Honda's sticking with their very nice but not quite as aggressive 0.9%. And this month Nissan takes the crown. The Camry may indeed be vulnerable, but Toyota executives have said they'll pay any price to keep their car in first place in the sales race. We'll see about that....

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