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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 11

    cski,

    Just to add to above posts.. If you could get 15 to 16 k for a 2 going on 3 yr optima. Take the money and run. Resale is not good on this vehicle..

    Pricing on a Accord sport in your area will be from 1700 to 2200 below invoice price before paying dealers doc fee charge. MD and VA have some of the best pricing in the country on Accords, Civic's, and Pilots right now.. If you decide on the Accord let me know we will work on getting that 2k below number.

    Another good point is the back seat issue. w/ 3 kids and the contoured 6's, seat might be tight .

    @ab348.. had a good point about coming out of your Optima and its features. Take your time and thoroughly investigate what exactly your family needs and don't need.. Especially if this vehicle will be a every day hauler...

    Below is the Accord sport invoice price w/ dest charge of 790. Your target price to buy is 2k below dealers invoice.

    23,225 minus 2k=.................. 21,225 On this price you need to add dealers doc fee charge, plus taxes and tags for your OTD price.

    For about 22,950 with taxes and tags included you could walk out with this model. I calculated this on 6% sales tax.

    Your Mazda 6 is a supply and demand vehicle unless dealer needs sales numbers or is looking to move off there lot your price wont be as good as the Accord . Let me take a look at Mazda's hold- back numbers, and Incentives I will IM you with a target price to buy.

    I guess those coil overs are a after thought...lol

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785

    Brian has some good points. Do you really think it's possible to get an Accord Sport for 2k less than invoice?! If so, that's an incredible deal. Sounds like almost $4k less than the Mazda6. The 6 will have better stereo and some other stuff, plus superior handling, etc., but....

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 11

    Yes with certainty especially with dealers like Criswell, Pohanka, Chantilly , and Hendrick Honda just to name a few in his area. There have been many Edmunds buyers that I sent to these dealerships that did very well at months end April, may, June . If cski could pull the trigger end of July.. he wont be disappointed.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 7,389

    @benjaminh said: Brian has some good points. Do you really think it's possible to get an Accord Sport for 2k less than invoice?! If so, that's an incredible deal. Sounds like almost $4k less than the Mazda6. The 6 will have better stereo and some other stuff, plus superior handling, etc., but....

    But, you may end up driving a car you don't like, simply because of the deal.

    I did that years ago when I was shopping for a mid-size sedan. I wanted V6 and leather. I looked at the Camry, Passat and Accord. Passat was over $30K and the Camry was a bit of a snooze fest. The Accord has just been released, and I was not sure how I felt about its looks.

    So I ended up with ....

    A Saturn L300. 0% financing and a GM supplier discount made it much cheaper than anything else I had looked at. Had aftermarket leather added.

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,039

    Why are Accords being sold for $2000 below invoice in a record setting year(so far) for auto sales???

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,977

    Because the 2015 Accord is expected to be come out "mid 2014" so they need to clear out the 2014 models.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785
    edited July 11

    Brutal competition in the midsize field means that great discounts are available even on the Accord. Even I had no idea prices had gone this low, however...

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785
    edited July 11

    Style 6

    Handling 6

    Acceleration tie?

    Mpg +1 for 6

    Rear seat Accord

    Trunk Accord

    Resale Accord

    Visibility Accord

    Stereo 6

    Price Accord

    Reliability/quality tie

    Service more Honda dealers

    Made in USA Accord

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,326
    edited July 11

    @nyccarguy said: cski‌

    I most certainly did not mean any disrespect towards you or your post. The current generation F30 BMW 320i is certainly a nice car. I've had one as a loaner once. While it is far from a road rocket, the 320i is a solid highway cruiser and provides adequate acceleration. I do like the larger size, bigger trunk, & great cup holders. I even think the chassis is stronger & more agile than my E90 328xi. The problem is that I don't KNOW. The electric power steering provides absolutely ZERO feedback & the suspension is tuned way too soft for my liking. Try optioning up that 320i like it is an Accord Touring and any value quotient gets washed away rather quickly.

    The first BMW I ever drove was a friend's 1995 E36 BMW 325is (sport pkg - manual transmission). After barely knowing how to drive a stick, I was speeding through the streets of downtown Buffalo, NY and using the throttle to rotate the car around corners by the end of the night. That one drive made me lust after BMWs for the next 12 years when I finally leased a 2007 X3 for my wife. Then in 2012 traded in my perfectly good 2010 Acura TSX Tech for my current (and soon to be departed) 2011 328xi. I don't get that from a 320i or really any of BMW's current offerings. I even have a friend with a 2013 F10 ///M5 that is mega fast, but not what I'd pay $120K for.

    Many don't understand that with the BMW, you are paying for that dedicated RWD chassis that is more expensive to design & produce than Honda's "global mid sized platform."

    I happen to LOVE my E90 328xi. I think it is a fantastic car. But I wouldn't classify it as "awesome" either.

    I get it now. And thanks so much for the nice explanation. So, I took may car in for its 30k service, and had some errands to do. The service manager immediately brought me out a black 2014 Turbo, and I have to tell you they have made some very good improvements to the cars solid feel, steering, and powertrain conjugation. They wanted to give me 17k for mine, and offered 27k, for the turbo with the dual sun roof, and a couple neat features. I enjoyed the Infinity stereo, although the only difference is the 8" subwoofer installed in the rear deck, and better tweeters.

    Well, I already have a Kicker 600.1 sub amp, dual 10" subs, Alpine door speakers, a second Kicker 200.4 4 channel amp, (50 watts RMS per channel) so, it came down to the fact that I have too much love money, and work put into my car to just give it away and start over on another car. Lastly, the car was just not that fast. In most situations it would not be right for the congestion in this area. Bummer.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,904

    @cski

    Unfortunately that is the realization of the congested areas we live in. I thought the traffic here in NY was bad until I visited our nation's capital last summer. Let me tell you something, we are amateurs when it comes to traffic compared to you guys.

    Part of the reason I'm not looking into getting another BMW when my lease is up in September (besides the fact that I'm going to try and NOT spend as much this time around) is the same thing. Do I really need "The Ultimate Driving Machine" to commute back and forth to work 6 days a week where the speed limit is 55 and then 50 once I get into the NYC Limits? How fast can I reasonably drive? Most days I set my cruise at 70 in the AM, maybe 75 if the traffic allows. At night I take a road all the way home with a 50 mph speed limit. The cops give tickets if I go over 65.

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 11

    @m6user said: Why are Accords being sold for $2000 below invoice in a record setting year(so far) for auto sales???

    Not all area's are selling Accords for 2k below . MA, MD, VA, CA, are tops with pricing. In CT,NY, NJ, DE, PA, NC, SC, GA, FL deals are ranging from 900 to 1500 below dealers invoice after paying dealers doc fee charge. Most educated buyers are in that 1200 to 1500 below range right now.. Buyers that are better negotiators are getting the higher end of these prices. 2015' Accords will be out late Sept.

    The 2014 Mazda' 6's are limited on dealers lots. with the higher end 2014 models left. Sticker price on the Touring models are 32k plus...... The 2015's are on lots already.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914

    @stevedebi said: The advantage to the sensors is I can concentrate on the parking overall while still knowing about how far out the car to the rear is. With the camera one has to keep the concentration on the screen.

    The fact that both of these options are becoming available on more and more vehicles is a bit distressing to me. Pretty soon, everyone's going to feel competent enough to parallel park, increasing the competition for the primo spaces in our downtown (which largely go unused, thanks to fear and inexperience).

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 11

    @Kirstie_H

    We might need another Enron/ wall street/ GM bail out. These rear view camera's are in some small vehicles now. Maybe it will help folks not hit the car behind them.

    FYI: The woman in NYC will barrel into a shoe box spot if they can. Escalade, Tahoe, or Civic it does not matter. The rule of thumb is 3 bumper hits with one parallel park..... lol

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,326

    @akirby said: The other end of the spectrum I don't get is people who must have a car that is unique and can't look like anyone else's car. I don't care how many people have a car that looks like mine - I get what I like to look at and drive period.

    Kirby, I tinted my windows, added mudguards (factory OEM) a factory copy OEM Small Spoiler, and then put on lamin-X fog light covers to protect the fog lights fro stone chips, cracks, and holes. They are light blue.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,472

    got to check out a 2015 Legacy today. Sat inside, but did not drive. Very nice evolution of the prior model. Well equipped for the price, and good pricing. Comfortable, roomy and attractive, in a subtle way. If I was buying in this class, I would give it a serious look.

    sales of course will still be about 1/10th - 1/20th of the Camry.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,276

    My Regal has the sensors but no backup camera. I have come to really like the sensors, not just for parallel parking, but also for parking in garages where I always back in. I use the sensors to get within inches of the rear wall. You really do become dependent upon them.

    2014 Cadillac ATS4 2.0T, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,472

    I have never had the sensors. At least the camera doesn't beep at you. the grid lines are a nice touch too. There is even on on the RDX that tells you how close you can get and still open the hatch.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,039

    "The 2014 Mazda' 6's are limited on dealers lots. with the higher end 2014 models left. Sticker price on the Touring models are 32k plus."

    No, I think your talking about the Grand Touring model and at that price you are getting radar cruise, collision avoidance radar braking, I-eloop and several other things that I don't think the Accord has. Nice stuff but a little pricey and still a 4 banger. Gee, I even think you get a leather shift knob, split rear fold down seats and a light in the glove compartment. LOL.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 11

    Just got In from Circle Hyundai Chevy dealer In NJ. . Had my 1st oil change on my Genesis. The place was mobbed with people either looking or buying. Not Chevy that side was empty. . I must of counted over 150 2014, Sonata's and 100 Elantra's on Circle's lot.. I sat in the new Chevy Impala lots of room. Price tag of 36k on the sticker with the LTZ 2 package. 300h/p Rear visibility is awful in this new model. A back up camera is a must . Nice interior size for a family of 4. Silver looked sharp w/ 19 ' tires.

    The New redesign Genesis 2015 seen one in the showroom. Interior is very upscale more in line with the Equus model. Hyundai did a bad job with the front of this vehicle. Not nice looking at all. I told one of the salesman.... looks like a train wreck . What did they do? He just laughed and said I've been getting those same kind of comments all month. What a shame Hyundai miss the bus in the looks dept. with the 2015 model. The new Avalon has a similar look in the front but the back has a classier look to it. Very Nice

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  • rbirns1rbirns1 Posts: 219

    What kind of deals should I expect on a Sonata GLS with popular equipment package in NY? Dealers seem to have many of these Sonatas, but that package doesn't seem to show on Edmunds pricing tool.

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 12

    rbirns1

    Your models invoice is 21,342. There is a 2000 dollar rebate from Hyundai and a 500 loyalty rebate totaling 2500 off the above price. That alone is 18,842. Excluding taxes and tags. If I'm buying this model in NY my target price is 17k. True car pricing is very good on Hyundai's. Go to the web site and put in your info from NY. . Then google Fritz automall Hyundai, in MD. Use there zip code as if you were buying vehicle in that area. This will give you a head start on pricing. Use these prices as a guide but not a final price. The Popular equip. pck #2 = 819 dollars.

    Use Nada.com its alot easier to find pricing and packages. Edmunds pricing web page is confusing to most to navigate thru there pages.

    Contact these dealerships in addition to yours. dealerships below will give you the best deals. They sell a lot of Hyundai's and wont play games with you.

    Atlantic..............LI.

    Circle..................NJ

    Liberty................NJ

    Rockland............NY

    Global................NJ

    Didn't we speak about buying a Accord last month? IM me about pricing this is the wrong forum.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,676

    @stickguy said: I have never had the sensors. At least the camera doesn't beep at you. the grid lines are a nice touch too. There is even on on the RDX that tells you how close you can get and still open the hatch.

    I prefer the sensor to the camera. It lets you use your other senses (hearing) to measure the distance while you look back/and in your mirrors for obstacles.

    Both is better...

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,741
    edited July 12

    I have both and it's great. But the best feature by far is cross traffic alert when backing out of a parking space. I can be in between 2 big trucks and back out with confidence even when you can't see left or right (2013 Fusion).

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 3,080
    edited July 12

    Great feature.

    Alot of vehicles will have it in the coming years along with frontal and side crash warning systems , satellite radar braking systems. My next vehicle I want every one of these state of the art safety features. These new features will save your life in the event. worth every penny.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 508

    Agreed. Our Pathfinder has both camera and beeping, which is great. Although I'm not crazy about the look of the sensors in the bumper, and imagine it would add to the cost of body work. If I could only have one, it'd be the camera.

    @stevedebi said: The advantage to the sensors is I can concentrate on the parking overall while still knowing about how far out the car to the rear is. With the camera one has to keep the concentration on the screen.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,472

    actually, I don't keep my concentration on the camera screen. normally I check it to make sure I am clear, then back up normally using the mirrors, and just check the screen when I am getting close to see how much room I have.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447

    Backing up normally is turning your head - or else you will flunk the drivers test. :)

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,016

    The camera helps you see what you can't see by turning your head -- like if a child is directly behind your car, or how far behind you that bumper actually is. It's one of those improvements that absence didn't seem remarkable until you see hhow helpful it is. I'll never get a car without it again.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,472

    Try that in many cars And all you will see is a headrest and the top of the far horizon.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,326

    Look, both cars are on hold. I had to buy a washer and dryer set. There were holes under both the washer and dryer, and the washer dumped water into my neighbors bathroom. Had to call insurance. I did still go a little nuts on the Kia Optima ex stereo 2 10" magnum subs, 6 3/4 " Kicker rear deck speakers (yep... I bought another set), then Alpine's in all the other doors. We arena talking 800 watts RMS between the three amps. 1 kicker 600.1 (327 watts rms for the subs), a Kicker 2 channel 60.2 to run the deck speakers (the deck has to have custom 6" holes cut for the deck kickers.). I had to buy a second battery to run it all.

    So, In am tapped at $1,300 for all the upgrades, plus the new badges are free at least as the "K" badges were defective. Can't wait to show off the pics. ]

    Oh, Lastly, I bought a floor jack, caliper cleaner, and high temp caliper paint.... red of course.

    So, hopefully it will look grown u and classy on the outside, and full on 80"s and 90"s metal/alternative on the inside.

    Thanks for the support, but my car has not even flipped 30k.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

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