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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310

    @m6user said: "The 2014 Mazda' 6's are limited on dealers lots. with the higher end 2014 models left. Sticker price on the Touring models are 32k plus."

    No, I think your talking about the Grand Touring model and at that price you are getting radar cruise, collision avoidance radar braking, I-eloop and several other things that I don't think the Accord has. Nice stuff but a little pricey and still a 4 banger. Gee, I even think you get a leather shift knob, split rear fold down seats and a light in the glove compartment. LOL.

    Agreed. The touring Mazda 6 was like 27,000, and that was in red, automatic, dual sunroofs, heated seats, 19" alloys, etc. There was some BS dealer prep, delivery charges, etc. so, out the door your looking at $27k again plus financing........back to 27k

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017

    You really need to keep that Optima for about 10 yrs. It's the only way you're not going to take a huge hit on resale.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,775

    @cski

    Sucks about your washer leaking downstairs. There is a product called "Flood Stop" that you can (or have your plumber) install. It is a sensor that hooks up to the water supply hose bibs. 1 drip of water and it will shut the water supply off.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,980

    Mine is in a pan with a dedicated drain pipe. Hopefully never have to find out if it works.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785

    Motor Trend likes the Accord Sport, which it had for a long-term test of 23k miles. It even beats the Civic Si at the test track. Huge tires, apparently, can make a difference....

    2013 Honda Accord Sport Verdict By Ron Kiino | Photos By Motor Trend Staff | From the September 2014 issue of Motor Trend

    ....Armed with the so-called Earth Dreams direct-injected engine, which touts 4 more horsepower and 1 extra lb-ft (up to 182) compared to non-Sport I-4 Accords, our long-termer zipped from 0 to 60 mph in 7.5 seconds and through the quarter mile in 15.8 at 90.8 mph. As I mentioned in a prior update, that 0-60 stat makes the Sport a tenth quicker than a 1998 Lexus GS300. Even better, it's 0.2 second quicker than our long-term 182-hp 2013 Nissan Altima SL and only 0.3 slower than our turbocharged 274-hp 2013 Kia Optima SXL. Better still, the Accord, EPA rated at 26/35/29 mpg city/highway/combined, returned observed fuel economy of 28.6 mpg, a healthy 1.4 mpg better than the 27.2 of the 27/38/31-rated Altima, and, in case you're wondering, markedly superior to the 22.8 of the 22/34/26-rated Optima.

    More than quick at the dragstrip and frugal at the gas pump, the Accord proved plenty able at the handling track. In our figure-eight test, the Sport, wearing 235/45R18 Michelin Primacy MXM4 all-season tires, clocked a time of 26.7 seconds and maximum lateral acceleration of 0.88 g. By comparison, the sporty 205-horsepower Honda Civic Si in this issue could only muster 26.9 seconds and 0.86 g, and that was with summer tires....

    Over its nearly 23,000 miles of service, the Accord Sport remained a reliable transporter, requiring not one unscheduled dealer visit....

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/sedans/1407_2013_honda_accord_sport_verdict/

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 503

    ...And that was with the CVT.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785
    edited July 16

    @ahightower said: ...And that was with the CVT.

    Yes. With the manual it's almost a second faster to 60.

    Here's an interesting comparison. Which would you choose: A Civic Si sedan ($22,990) or an Accord Sport 6MT ($23,715).

    For $725 the Accord seems like a lot more car. Smaller is better sometimes esp. for tight traffic conditions, but ironically the Accord gets better mpg (28 combined compared to 25) because of the Earth Dreams engine which the Civic lacks. The Civic Si does have a better stereo, as well as a limited slip differential, but otherwise their level of equipment is similar iirc.

    I'd go with the Accord Si. Although I've been on vacation and just gotten a chance to drive my brother-in-laws 2012 Civic Si and it's a blast. It really is a tough call.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,980

    The civic also has a moonroof. Yes, that is important to some people!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,118

    @stickguy said: The civic also has a moonroof. Yes, that is important to some people!

    Especially tall people. They don't fit in the Civic with the moonroof.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 503

    Exactly. I wanted to like the Civic Si, and was willing to trade back seat space for fun, but simply didn't fit with the sunroof.

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 503

    Anyone going anywhere fun this weekend? We're 44 days out from Disney World, and I'm actually looking forward to that drive in a strange way, as it will be the first real test of our new Pathfinder. But I'm antsy to stretch the Accord's legs, too. I'm averaging 25 mpg since taking on the short commute. NOT a complaint about the hours saved and infrequency of filling up... but watching the lifetime avg go down on fuelly is no fun. I'm in the mood to take a nice long country road day trip, just for lunch or something.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,775

    Don't worry about your lifetime fuelly average going down. Here's a snapshot of my fuelly dashboard since I joined August of last year:

    2011 BMW 328xi - 21.0 mpg over 18,097 miles (best 23.4 mpg) 2011 Honda Pilot 4WD - 15.8 mpg over 11,633 miles (best 19.6 mpg) 2001 Honda Prelude - 23.8 mpg over 3,038 miles (best 25.7 mpg)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    edited July 21

    Hey guys. I have been busy. I couldn't hold out as a mature 43 year old and I bought a floor jack and painted my brake calipers. Since my car is red, they look normal and very much stock that way. After that my Lamina-X Headlight covers/Protectors came in, which match my fog light covers. I have to stop screwing with it now. I am starting to feel like a hoarder... and OCD for sure.

    Sooooo........

    Then I went on an eBay rampage. I bought the Kicker dual 10" subs and the kicker 300.1 amp to run it. Then I bought a Kicker 200.4 amp (50 watts X4). So, of course the stick speakers had to got to feel like one of those collectors (they are crap). I replaced the stockers with 4 Alpine "E" series speakers, and a set of 2 Kicker 6.5" door speakers for the rear deck. Yep....I am gong to use the rear deck for speakers, just as s god intended. The Kicker amplifiers and Alpine amps and speakers are highly respected by the car stereo install people I have spoken to and from the research I have undertaken. Each Kicker amplifier comes with its own detailed certificate on how much power it actually puts out RMS. They are all underrated. My 600.1 sub amp actually puts out 327 watts RMS and the 200.4 amp is certified at 231 RMS, so 57 watts per channel.

    So, I had it all installed by the Geek Squad at Best Buy. They did a great job, except that they did not hook up the fader correctly. I have to move the fader more to the back for LESS rear output. Totally backward. Going over to get it fixed at 10:30,

    Back to mid size-

    I drove a 14 Mazda 6 Touring and it felt almost as fast as the Optima turbo. The SX Turbo version of m y car felt much improved in steering, Handling is vastly better than mine, it's steering was much faster and quick to move of enter. The I/P has been upgraded. The center stack LCD display on my SX had a tiny center stack display. Embarrassingly tiny. The I/P is nice... the center stack looks cheap with the base stereo, and it looked mismatched somewhat. I guess it looked weird because I have had my6 car for years and it looks like everything matches.

    I strongly feel Mazda needs t do just a minor center stack upgrade and it would,d draw in mnire customers, I found the LCD's to be tiny (like digital watch tiny), So the dual zone A/C LCD displays are hard to read. I liked the enter stack display, but would have to poll out the manual on a few things. The sunroof was nice. The Bose stereo was excellent, and had a lot of bass. The seats looked nice and there was a sight whiff of loath when I got in the car. The steering is fantastic, the handling was fantastic, the engine was adequate, and the transmission helped me slow down by down shifting on its own like when stopping for a light from 60 mph.

    Had the 6 and the Accord been available at the end of 2011....like December 23rd 2011, I might be driving a Mazda 6 Touring right now. I honestly think Mazda's horsepower may be conservatively rated. It is notably faster than my car, and when it downshifts to pass at say 65....it just flies. I was very glad to have the opportunity to drive it for over an hour without a chaperone, but felt kind of bad for the nice young man assigned to me as salesperson. I would have bought a car from him in a. minute. For people shopping for a mid size, Fairfax Kia and Brown's Fairfax Mazda are right across the street from each other. Also less than a mile away are three other car dealerships. Chevy, Volvo, Fairfax Honda, and Ford/Lincoln

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    edited July 21

    NEW PICTURES! I Finally bought the entire front end Lamin-X blue covers for my headlights to match the fog light covers I have had for a year, I bought a floor jack, pulled the wheels and painted the calipers while I was at it. So, I have a whopping $900 Visa bill on the way.

    Without further ado, here are the pics:

    Look, I don't use drugs, drink, or do anything else remotely slummy. Having kids changed my perspectives, but I got the itch bad to do a few little things to my car, and I enjoy the hobby, like it, or not. All of us say "I's done, that is the last modification" 3 month blater I am doing something else silly to it. I previously posted that I also installed 2 amplifiers and 8 speakers, including DUAL 10" subs, Alpine door speakers, and Kicker rear deck speakers. Yes, It kicks a**.

    Am I immature? Yes. I feel 23, not 43, and since I pay all my bills and take care of my family, I allow myself this one indulgence. The Amps were $460. 4 alpine 50 watt rms speakers $100. The kicker 6.5" speakers were on sale for $44.99 and handle 60 watts rms each. The Lamin-X head and fog light covers (pre cut, very think vinyl and easy to install with the water method. That was $59.99. They have a coupon code "10OFF" That will save you a few bucks. The laminate comes in 5 different colors. http://www.lamin-x.com/ for more info.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,674

    @cski said: NEW PICTURES! I Finally bought the entire front end Lamin-X blue covers for my headlights to match the fog light covers I have had for a year, I bought a floor jack, pulled the wheels and painted the calipers while I was at it. So, I have a whopping $900 Visa bill on the way.

    Without further ado, here are the pics:

    Look, I don't use drugs, drink, or do anything else remotely slummy. Having kids changed my perspectives, but I got the itch bad to do a few little things to my car, and I enjoy the hobby, like it, or not. All of us say "I's done, that is the last modification" 3 month blater I am doing something else silly to it. I previously posted that I also installed 2 amplifiers and 8 speakers, including DUAL 10" subs, Alpine door speakers, and Kicker rear deck speakers. Yes, It kicks a**.

    Am I immature? Yes. I feel 23, not 43, and since I pay all my bills and take care of my family, I allow myself this one indulgence. The Amps were $460. 4 alpine 50 watt rms speakers $100. The kicker 6.5" speakers were on sale for $44.99 and handle 60 watts rms each. The Lamin-X head and fog light covers (pre cut, very think vinyl and easy to install with the water method. That was $59.99. They have a coupon code "10OFF" That will save you a few bucks. The laminate comes in 5 different colors. http://www.lamin-x.com/ for more info.

    That is awesome! Very nice...kudos to staying young :smile:

    BTW...I'd block out the license plate numbers...weirdo's out there.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,980

    The weirdos are on the beltway with him every day.

    Mods look nice. Distinctive without being tacky.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,118

    I don't understand the caution about (and common practice of) blocking out license plate numbers in an online pic. What is it supposed to prevent?

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,724

    Exactly. As if you don't show it to everybody on the road every time you drive anywhere.

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 503

    Most (all?) states do not have a public access reverse-lookup for license plate numbers. (Yet, google blocks them out on street view... maybe just to appease the conspiracy theorists.)

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,017

    Probably because the internet has a lot more wackos than can be encountered on the road on a daily basis and they seem to have nothing better to do than look for ways to antagonize people.

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 503

    @cski: I actually like the lens covers. At least they are functional. The brand sticker is a little conspicuous for my taste, but at least you haven't added any faux fender vents :)

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,724

    Companies don't want to show them because of the remote chance of liability if something did happen, but for individuals posting their own vehicles that really doesn't apply.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,775

    @cski

    fantastic job on the calipers. Sounds (no pun intended) like you know what you are doing with the speakers. Glad you are happy with the results.

    We're all in the same boat. We've all got responsibilities, otherwise the majority of us would be driving a 911, Corvette, ///M3… Personalizing YOUR car to YOUR tastes isn't cheap, but it is MUCH CHEAPER than trading in and taking that huge depreciation hit. Cheers to you!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310

    @m6user said: You really need to keep that Optima for about 10 yrs. It's the only way you're not going to take a huge hit on resale.

    Absolutely correct. I am keeping my car until at least 2020. That's why I keep adding cool stuff to it... to keep it new in my mind. The stereo used to go up to 35. Now I can only get to 15. So, my sub is only putting out 1/2 volume, and the fader is hooked up backward. After dropping by yesterday (where they were swamped) I have an appointment tomorrow at 3:45. I cant wait!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310
    edited July 22

    @ivan_99 said: BTW...I'd block out the license plate numbers...weirdo's out there.

    Yes, I have noticed that you gurus block out your plate numbers. Why? I have "Life Lock".

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310

    @ahightower said: cski: I actually like the lens covers. At least they are functional. The brand sticker is a little conspicuous for my taste, but at least you haven't added any faux fender vents :)

    Oh, the stickers will be gone in 30 to 60 days. I like the little logo's for a while, then one day I feel like a Doofus and pull them off. But doing these little upgrades is my hobby.

    My hobby used to be gas powered remote control cars....heck I had a turbo diesel Kenworth with a real, functioning turbo diesel .It rolled Coal\from the exhaust stacks just like a. Real one. I had about 4 of them. All sold. They cost a fortune to maintain and repair, so you might as well just upgrade a real car.

    Do any of you guys know a good car stereo forum? I need research!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,674

    @cski said:

    Probably paranoid...I always blot out the license plate...even my house address number when I had a vehicle picture taken for sale.

    I know I can get the info...bad guy could probably too.

    Most people use their camera phone to take pictures. Seems you used your SAMSUNG ES73 / VLUU ES73 / SAMSUNG SL605...with your flash on auto...that did not fire...bunch of EXIF data out there.

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447

    cski - how much light does the darker tint over the headlights block out? There is obviously a difference in illumination, is it enough to easily notice or is it pretty close to stock? Also - is it legal in Virginia to cover your headlights? I thought it was illegal in most (if not all) states.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310

    @ivan_99 said:

    Most people use their camera phone to take pictures. Seems you used your SAMSUNG ES73 / VLUU ES73 / SAMSUNG SL605...with your flash on auto...that did not fire...bunch of EXIF data out there. Wow man. You got the name and the mode number of my camera off the pics? That is a little scary. I finally got my Samsung Galaxy 3 phone replacement. I took an educated guess and bought a used s3 for $147 w/ free ship. It's flawless as described. eBay never lets e down.It's all about the good review.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,310

    @dudleyr said: cski - how much light does the darker tint over the headlights block out? There is obviously a difference in illumination, is it enough to easily notice or is it pretty close to stock? Also - is it legal in Virginia to cover your headlights? I thought it was illegal in most (if not all) states.

    I have not driven it at night yet. Lamin-X said 10% max, and that is on their darkest black. Also, the blue will fade about 35% in the next 6 months. I have used them before and done about 10 cars...and one motorcycle.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

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