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  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,024

    We have at least one Malibu owner here that I know of. I'm not sure what your point is though.

    BTW, they do not run a Malibu-body in NASCAR. They use the Chevrolet SS.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,024

    @backy said: I guess that's why the Optima--introduced several years ago--took 2nd, ahead of the brand-new 200. ;)

    Well, all those Korean payments to the auto journos by H/K still are paying some dividends. ;)

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,737

    Not too many. When was the last time you saw a H/K win a comparo? Maybe H/K should take lessons on paying off the automotive press from Mazda... they get results from their payoffs!! :p

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,300
    edited August 4

    The 2014 Kia Optima Turbo drove very closely to the Mazda 6 I tested on the same day. I think mine has "loosened up" over time, but it starts every day and has consistently provided a nice, reliable, warm or cold as necessary transportation module, but no it doesn't drive as well as the Mazda 6. It is actually hard for me to remember what my car felt like when it was new vs. now. It was one heck of a lot tighter than the Jeep G/C I came out of. Progress.

    What I said about the 2014 Optima means that I think they reprogrammed the weld robots or used better Steel or a combination of the two for a stiffer platform, and new premium tires on a fresh platform. No wonder people buy a new car at around 30,000 miles, and my dealer slapped a "certified" sticker on my paperwork if I sell it between now and 2000 more miles.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010
    Yeah, like Mazda has enough spare change to pay anybody off. LOL.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,737

    I got my first look at the new Sonata today, as I checked them out at my local Hyundai dealer. They were closed so I didn't get to sit in one, but I thought the exterior looked more "grown up" than the prior generation car. I liked the looks of the SE (now the base model) better than the higher-end trims, which have too much chrome trim for my taste. Every SE seemed to have the Popular Equipment package on it ($1200), which has a lot of stuff but not heated front seats as on my wife's 2013. In fact I don't know if you can even get heated seats on the SE. The interior looked very spacious, and the materials looked fine except for the trim around the HVAC controls, which was a cheap-looking silver plastic. The center stack controls looked dumb-simple--big improvement over the old model.

    This dealer also had tons of 2014 Sonatas (and Elantras). Looks like a good time to get a deal on a 2014. I noticed the 2014 Sonatas had a sticker discount on the PEP that made it only $900, and it includes goodies like a backup camera and heated front seats. So a pretty well-equipped car for ~$23k list... can probably get it for under $18k these days.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,755

    @taylorgoines1, Your post isn't going to last very long here.

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  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,814
    edited August 4

    brian125 → taylorgoines1

    I will give you a shoot to work some good numbers for me down the road. If I buy from your dealership you must fax me a buyers order to be signed by both parties to seal any out of state deals.

    where are you located S.C.?

    Just remember.... if you post things about great deals and you cant deliver you little ad stunt is dead. Reach me by Im on here.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,781
    edited August 4

    The new Acura TLX, which starts at $31k, is getting positive reviews. Car and Driver says:

    "Overall, the TLX is a satisfying and overdue return to the engineering and dynamic greatness long associated with Honda’s luxury brand. The three available configurations have their own distinct personalities and offer value at their respective price points, but if forced to choose, we’d hit the sheets with the V-6 SH-AWD model, wed the excellent 2.4L TLX, and (regrettably) kill the front-drive V-6 iteration. If Acura isn’t fully back, it’s damn close with this car."

    http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2015-acura-tlx-24l-35l-35l-sh-awd-first-drive-review-the-choice-is-yoursbut-mostly-acuras-page-2

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 480

    Really liking the new TLX, except for lack of a manual transmission. I know, I know. Nobody buys them. There's still the ILX with the optional Civic Si powertrain. Maybe they'll tweak the styling to make it a little better looking.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010

    The mistake with the ILX is not putting the 2.4 in all versions. You can only get stick and no NAV in the 2.4. The 2.0 is just too anemic for a car at this price point IMO.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,300

    @backy said: I got my first look at the new Sonata today, as I checked them out at my local Hyundai dealer. They were closed so I didn't get to sit in one, but I thought the exterior looked more "grown up" than the prior generation car. I liked the looks of the SE (now the base model) better than the higher-end trims, which have too much chrome trim for my taste. Every SE seemed to have the Popular Equipment package on it ($1200), which has a lot of stuff but not heated front seats as on my wife's 2013. In fact I don't know if you can even get heated seats on the SE. The interior looked very spacious, and the materials looked fine except for the trim around the HVAC controls, which was a cheap-looking silver plastic. The center stack controls looked dumb-simple--big improvement over the old model.

    This dealer also had tons of 2014 Sonatas (and Elantras). Looks like a good time to get a deal on a 2014. I noticed the 2014 Sonatas had a sticker discount on the PEP that made it only $900, and it includes goodies like a backup camera and heated front seats. So a pretty well-equipped car for ~$23k list... can probably get it for under $18k these days.

    I know a lot of people buy the same body style twice, but would you buy it for the savings, or wait until there are similar discounts on the new Sonata? I guess I am asking if you like the new one enough to wait....

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,300

    @cski said: I know a lot of people buy the same body style twice, but would you buy it for the savings, or wait until there are similar discounts on the new Sonata? I guess I am asking if you like the new one enough to wait until the new body style has more incentives.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716
    edited August 4

    @m6user said: The mistake with the ILX is not putting the 2.4 in all versions. You can only get stick and no NAV in the 2.4. The 2.0 is just too anemic for a car at this price point IMO.

    I agree about the Ilx. My assumption is once the TSX went away, the I would get a power upgrade. Probably a liter version if the base TLX 2.4. Other than the 2.0 it is a very nice car. Actually reminds me of the original TSX, which is a good thing!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,024

    The ILX has not done well in most reviews I've read. Seems the Verano is its only real competition and is usually preferred. Small segment though.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716

    I happen to like it. Looks nice, comfy, good features. Probably a bit doggish for high speed use. Add the 40 HP missing and tweak the suspension a bit and the reviews will change

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,755

    TLX is basically a Honda Accord (same platform) with the engine tuned for premium fuel. Suspension is Acura.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,781
    edited August 4

    @explorerx4 said: TLX is basically a Honda Accord (same platform) with the engine tuned for premium fuel. Suspension is Acura.

    More or less. But it's a little more complicated than that. The write-up from autoblog says:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/04/2015-acura-tlx-first-drive-review/

    "Before jumping behind the wheel and covering hundreds of miles in all three models combined, Acura showed me a fullsize cutaway of its new sedan. The display allowed me to see for myself that the TLX is built on the same basic platform as the Honda Accord, but it is significantly different, having been updated for premium duty with additional high-strength hot stamped steel to improve rigidity and safety, along with aluminum alloy and magnesium componentry to reduce weight. Once satisfied with the platform's enhanced body stiffness and lowered mass, the engineering team shot acoustic foam into the body cavities, adhered acoustic barrier panels within the body panels, used triple door seals around the frames..."

    "The interior, in terms of design and execution, reminds me of the recently released RLX, which is Acura's current flagship...."

    "...the engine is mated to a standard eight-speed dual-clutch transmission (DCT) with a torque converter. Yes, a torque converter. The automaker has combined its DCT with a torque converter – the industry's first such marriage we're aware of – to improve smoothness in stop-and-go situations and enhance off-the-line acceleration, both areas of weakness with many dual-clutch gearboxes..."

    "....The Acura is remarkably quiet for a vehicle in this segment. The chassis and ride is also superb in all models....the TLX will make its owners look forward to the daily commute, whether three miles or three hours..."

    "I'm a sport sedan guy, and given that primary motive, I'd likely choose the BMW 328i as this segment's most engaging, sportiest and fun-to-drive model – but option-for-option, it's significantly costlier to purchase and own, especially once BMW's free maintenance program expires. And besides, in the real world, people rarely drive above six-tenths. The reality is that most buyers in the segment are actually seeking an attractive vehicle with an accommodating cabin, comfortable ride, sporty-feeling yet predictable handling, a long equipment list, strong crash test scores, impeccable reliability, fuel economy and a price that doesn't break the bank.....Acura has engineered a much better sedan than its TSX and TL ever were – and it's finally in a position to offer a much better, more properly focused luxury sedan than most others in the segment."

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,300
    edited August 4

    Yeah, I know it is an Accord underneath. Acura isn't back until an NSX AND an Integra are on the lot!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716

    sounds nice. I hope it sells well.

    and, in a few weeks when I need to take my TL in for an oil change, I know what I will spend the time doing!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,737

    @cski said: I know a lot of people buy the same body style twice, but would you buy it for the savings, or wait until there are similar discounts on the new Sonata? I guess I am asking if you like the new one enough to wait....

    That's an easy question for me because the lease for our 2013 Sonata runs through November 2015. At that point, I'll bet there'll be good discounts on the 2015 Sonata. If I were in the market for another Sonata, I'd wait for the new one, most likely the 1.6L Eco version. But we're probably going with a small SUV for my wife's next vehicle. And I like smaller cars to zip around town in.

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,755

    Look at the rear seat pass through from the trunk of the TLX. It's really small, which means the structure needed a lot of bracing, so it was not designed for strength from the start.

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,024

    @stickguy said: sounds nice. I hope it sells well.

    and, in a few weeks when I need to take my TL in for an oil change, I know what I will spend the time doing!

    It looks like a nice car but man, is that design conservative. Could have been designed 5-6 years back from the looks of it.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716

    I actually like more conservative designs. Not boring per se, just classic/elegant. Something that doesn't look hokey, and should wear well.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010

    Yeah, look how old the Audi design is and it still looks very good. First time I've heard this design looking ultra conservative. Usually all you hear is "Oh, the beak". Acura has toned that down and now it's too conservative. Just goes to show you how different tastes interpret design. I haven't seen any car here that we discuss routinely that I wouldn't buy simply because of the exterior design. There are about 50 other things I consider more important. Now if one of them looked like the Aztec or Crosstour or something like that I would have to pass just due to the ugliness.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010

    @explorer4‌ "Look at the rear seat pass through from the trunk of the TLX. It's really small, which means the structure needed a lot of bracing, so it was not designed for strength from the start."

    Is that a fact something you know is a fact or are you just throwing out an assumption. Could it be that it was just part of the design? I have never heard that the size of the pass thru is a direct result of needed structural bracing.

    As far as being based on a Accord frame and the motor tuned up. The Lexus ES350 is built directly on the Avalon frame and uses the exact same drivetrain. I believe the MKC is built directly on the Escape frame. So what? All manufacturers share subcomponents.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,010

    cars.com video review of the new 2015 Sonata

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,716

    I saw one sitting out front of the dealer a few weeks back. I do like the new styling. and from peeking in the window, the dash/center stack seems nicer too.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • ahightowerahightower TXPosts: 480

    @stickguy said: I actually like more conservative designs. Not boring per se, just classic/elegant. Something that doesn't look hokey, and should wear well.

    Agreed. I'll take the "can opener" Acura over the "opened can" Lexus any day.

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