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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447

    I would not compare a TLX to an Accord. EPA has it at 93 ft3. Less than a Civic or Fit (95,96). The Accord is 103 (little less with the sunroof).

    It is about the same size on the outside and weighs more, but they have shrunk the inside considerably.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322
    edited August 25

    Totally agree Ben..

    A recent comparo that included the 320i showed a 0 to 60 time of 6.6 seconds for the BMW, which is exactly the same as the Accord Sport manual observed by C/D in it's 30k long term test. When you compare the two cars, the Accord Sport is $8k cheaper, and also does not include heated seats, SAT radio or GPS. This may represent a more apples to apples comparison at the other end of the price scale.

    So even the Accord Sport looks like a better value with similar equipment of the base 320i, but curiously the Accord also limits the colors... to grey and black, and they will not spray it any other color. Bummer, because the blue Accord Sport is my favorite looking Accord by far....a shame it comes only with a CVT...even if Honda's is a good one.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,915

    My mom's Fiesta has paint that was an extra $300. It's worth every penny. It just stands out from the usual clear coat paints and easily cleans up great. Pic was taken with my phone, so not the best.

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,013

    Dark red with tan leather looks good. My favorite interior is light or medium grey. I will not have a car with black leather interior. I prefer exteriors that are light but not white -- the medium blue of the Chevy Cruze is one of my favorites and I wish my Accord had been available in that color. Too dark shows every speck. Silver is pretty forgiving and that may be one reason for its popularity too.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785
    edited August 26

    Because of the slightly swoopier styling, and very padded seats, the TLX is smaller inside than the Accord. On the outside it even cuts 1 inch in length. But it's still a midsize imho. And it starts at $31k for the base model. Haven't seen a test of the base model until now, but here it is. And in this video at the 7 minute mark you can hear with the hood up what a Honda/Acura direct-injected engine sounds like. This is almost exactly what my wife's 2013 Accord sounds like. And so it is a bit clattery, but I wouldn't describe it as unrefined (cski: comparison with your engine?):

    The reviewer is wrong when saying he thinks it's "real wood." Many other reviews have confirmed that it's "Plood." But I think it looks nice.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322
    edited August 26

    Thanks ben. I guess I will discuss my impression of the whole car, since it is mid-size and based on the Accord.

    Overview: I really like the TLX except for the beak grill, and that is just personal preference. I like the interior layout too, with great fit and finish and some nice aluminum touches that I hope are real. My lowly Korean also has real aluminum trim, which could easily be made out of the scrap leftover from the manufacturing process.

    DI engine noise: The clacking is exactly the same as mine, but the Acura's is twice as loud and doesn't go away. Weird, since I would think it would be quieter. When the host revs the engine I wanted to strangle him since it didn't take 15 revs for me to get what the exhaust sounded like.

    Pet peeve: This car has two very large screens (a 7" and an 8"), yet has no GPS? Bull&%$!

    My car has a hood strut that is exactly where the TLX is, and the engine in this car is exactly the same layout as mine, right down to the intake scoop, battery location, engine position etc.. It has similar power output as well, but the ride and refinement is where the Acura will shine, and where mine just doesn't. There is no comparison in this category.

    My Kia has lousy steering and rebound control. The front suspension bottoms out frequently and then the bump reverberates through the chassis like an old school bus. I would tell anyone looking for a midsize to take each car you are comparing home for 24 hours so you get a full impression before you buy. I didn't do that, and paid the price for it.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,412

    Well, after watching that review, sounds like I would love it.

    2015 Hyundai Sonata 2.4i Limited Tech (mine), 2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (daughters college car)

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,259

    A local guy drove the TLX last week and posted this. First negative review I've seen. Later on he tried the V6 and liked it much, much better.

    "Drove both the 4 cylinder and V6 FWD TLXs today, both mid-level Technology package equipped.

    Being Hondas, they are of course idiosyncratic which is not necessarily bad.

    Extremely competent salesman, a first in my 2 years of looking for a half-decent new car to replace my 08 Legacy GT. Off to a good start, then.

    The 4 cylinder had electronic nannies that could not be entirely shut off, apparently. Tooted at me for an old woman who had actually already crossed the road. Why? Big orange light in dash, BRAKE, as you come to a stop. Groan. Noisy 4 cylinder engine sound, and kind of dull response to a bootful of gas, while the transmission dithered. No torque, just noisy revs.

    Then, having to cut across two lanes of traffic to re-enter dealership, from a complete stop with wheels cut over - goosed it to get rolling - nothing. A feeling of a dozen squirrels frantically checking and trying to find a gear, any gear, and a full two second wait while the salesman cringed at oncoming traffic bearing down, before something caught and it moved. Then it upshifted three gears at ten to fifteen mph going up the steep slope to the showroom, lugging the engine down so low in rpm it shuddered. Er, no.

    Folks, you can have that model. NOT for me. Dangerous. Not a patch on the LGT in engine note or get up and go. The 20 inch tires they had fitted to impress someone or other were also incredibly noisy, like driving a CLA with 18s - what a tin can that thing is, btw!"

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322
    edited August 26

    reviewer in ab348's post said:

    Then, having to cut across two lanes of traffic to re-enter dealership, from a complete stop with wheels cut over - goosed it to get rolling - nothing. A feeling of a dozen squirrels frantically checking and trying to find a gear, any gear, and a full two second wait while the salesman cringed at oncoming traffic bearing down, before something caught and it moved. Then it upshifted three gears at ten to fifteen mph going up the steep slope to the showroom, lugging the engine down so low in rpm it shuddered. Er, no.

    Folks, you can have that model. NOT for me. Dangerous. Not a patch on the LGT in engine note or get up and go. The 20 inch tires they had fitted to impress someone or other were also incredibly noisy, like driving a CLA with 18s - what a tin can that thing is, btw!"

    I see the problem....you have to upgrade from the SVT (Squirrel Velocity Trans) to the optional Cheetah Variable Trans. God...everyone knows that!

    Seriously though, what does "not a patch on the LGT in engine note or get up and go" mean?

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,645
    edited August 26

    GEESH--- I hope that "redline sound" at the beginning of the video was merely simulated--revving a car to redline in neutral is risky.

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322
    edited August 26

    @Mr_Shiftright said: GEESH--- I hope that "redline sound" at the beginning of the video was merely simulated--revving a car to redline in neutral is risky.

    Oh no...it was on purpose. When he revved it the first time while viewing the I/P it wasn't too bad, but then he did it over and over again while the camera was trained in the exhaust. I think we all got the gist after one or two revs. I like the car, but I think in order to get the whole TLX experience you need to buy the V6. So, the V6 would put you at $40k. At that price point there is stiff competition. I like the Audi S3 Quattro with the 295 HP 2.0T and a zero to 60 time at an unbelievable 4.4 seconds. A full half second faster than the S4!

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,645

    I'd snatch the keys from his hand if he did that to my car. Those pistons and connecting rods have no load on them. All engines that are ungoverned in that way will rev up to self-destruction levels.

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  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,013

    No keys. Key fob maybe? :)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,915

    Watching that review of the MercURA TLX, I'm glad I spent my money on my Fusion. Better looking (duh), cheaper, faster, more room, more tech features, comparable fuel mileage and uses RUG. TLX engine probably sounds better at high revs, but with a turbo I don't need to work the engine to get speed. Got oil changed and tires rotated. With $10 rebate about $47. Car was returned to me washed and with the tires dressed.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322

    @explorerx4 said: Got oil changed and tires rotated. With $10 rebate about $47. Car was returned to me washed and with the tires dressed.

    At Kia we just get a bucket and hose with some dish detergent. Ahem. :s

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785

    There are screaming deals out there right now.

    I've seen Altimas, Sonatas, and others for 19k for a while, but Honda Accords are available too starting at that price, at least at some places. Wow.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,025

    Lots of deals for $5k-$6k off MSRP on Camry, Altima, Malibu and others. Many around 17k in Chicago area. Seen some ads for $8k off brand-new 2013s. Heck they are even advertising $3k off the new 2015 Sonata and that just hit dealers recently. Honda only shows lease prices and since in IL one has to pay tax on the entire price of the car up front leasing isn't that popular for average consumers. Mostly business use or luxury car leases.

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,785

    8k? Wow. But on a 2013. Who has leftover 2013s? What car is that?

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 7,252

    @m6user said: Lots of deals for $5k-$6k off MSRP on Camry, Altima, Malibu and others. Many around 17k in Chicago area. Seen some ads for $8k off brand-new 2013s. Heck they are even advertising $3k off the new 2015 Sonata and that just hit dealers recently. Honda only shows lease prices and since in IL one has to pay tax on the entire price of the car up front leasing isn't that popular for average consumers. Mostly business use or luxury car leases.

    Taxation for leases is changing in IL as of 1/1/15 - will only tax the payment each month, not the entire purchase amount.

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  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,025
    edited August 28

    @Michaell said:Taxation for leases is changing in IL as of 1/1/15 - will only tax the payment each month, not the entire purchase amount.>

    Good to know! Only 5 more months. I may consider leasing in the future since I only put about 9k miles a year on my primary vehicle and I could probably get a decent low mileage lease.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322
    edited August 29

    Survey: If you needed a new mid size and were buying today, Which model would you choose, and why?

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,740

    Fusion. I like Fords to begin with but I love the styling on this one and all the tech features. Drove mine home from the airport late last night after a week away and it was such a pleasure.

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 1,013

    Honda Accord. That's what I bought last year and I wouldn't change it.

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769

    I really don't know, as I haven't driven most of the new designs. I do know that if this car were for me (not my wife), it would most likely come down to the Mazda6 Sport 6MT, Accord LX 6MT, and Sonata Eco, but I'd also take a good look at the new Legacy (living as I do in Minnesnowta), and at least drive the 200, Fusion, and Passat 1.8T. The Altima, Camry, and Malibu don't float my boat, and the Optima, while a good car, is now a generation behind the Sonata. I'd also consider the Jetta 1.8T as it has mid-sized interior and trunk room in a smaller package, and for 2015 the interior is spiffied-up.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,322
    edited August 29

    Mazda 6 GT. It is so curvaceous and sculpted like a work of art. I love the looks, and I love the way it drives. I do not love the center stack. They need to do something there, but it is in no way a deal killer. It was a very good test drive when I took one out about a month ago, and I didn't miss the extra 15 HP my car (allegedly) has.

    Chris Skalski: Network Engineer 2012 Kia Optima EX

  • m6userm6user Posts: 3,025

    Just read interesting article on autoblog.com about Mazda changes. It's possible the Mazda 6 interior is going to get a redo for 2015. It wouldn't surprise me because that dash/tech is about the only thing that really got panned by reviewers on the 6. They seemed to like the Mazda 3 dash/tech so my guess would be the Mazda 6 is going to get the same look as the uplevel 3.

    Here's a link to the article: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/28/mazda-miata-coupe-rumor-mazda6-updates/

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 7,252

    Aother vote for the Mazda 6. Beautiful on the outside, functional on the inside and lots of options normally seen on more expensive cars.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,915

    I'd get another Fusion. A loaded SE/SE Hybrid would work. Been kind of looking around. Taking a trip to the midwest (flat) next weekend, so I'll see if I can improve on the 28-29 mpg I've been getting.

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 2,259

    @Michaell said: Aother vote for the Mazda 6. Beautiful on the outside, functional on the inside and lots of options normally seen on more expensive cars.

    So why are they not selling? There must be a reason, but I never hear why. Do they suffer from the NVH issues that plague the 3?

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  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 7,252

    @ab348 said: So why are they not selling? There must be a reason, but I never hear why. Do they suffer from the NVH issues that plague the 3?

    Can't answer that - I've not driven one.

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