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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    edited June 2010
    I'm confused now? I was talking about msrp and maybe you were talking about TMV, that could make a difference in what we are talking about.

    Quick story, I've used the edmunds TMV along with 1 or 2 other sites dealer invoice and when I've gone to the stealers around here and they caught me with those papers, they always say, "oh you can't go by them, they have no idea what our dealer cost is!"

    Oh I just love when they say that. I just laugh and laugh to myself. They might not be exact, but how funny that when we start to crunch numbers they are always pretty damn close when we come out to the sales price on the car! ;)

    I meant to say, on the Infiniti lots here in NJ, the msrp's on the all the G37's I've seen are $39k something for AWD plus the premium package or $42k something for AWD, premium package, and nav package!

    Same thing with the TL, the lowest I've seen the msrp is like $35k something for the base TL.
  • midas69midas69 Posts: 118
    Zip code here is Los Angeles. I think that's pretty "normal"(even if the city itself isn't)

    Numbers here are a little different. The Infiniti comes in at $31,900 and the TL actually goes just over $32K. For me, at least, the Infiniti isn't even a consideration since it's RWD. Obviously being in L.A. you'd have a different perspective on this.

    I'd have to do more research on the TL to see what else is missing without the technology package. I know on the 2005 TL I owned it was either with or without NAV. But judging by the price of the technology package I would guess there's more to it. I know when I looked at the RDX you didn't even get bluetooth unless you bought it. That's a deal breaker for me. But hey, my last 4 cars have all had factory NAV so really, regardless of the opinion of others such as yourself, that's what I'm buying.

    But even without it, that's still just under $7K more than the Sonata. That's a lot of bucks. Even with the extra price of the turbo, it's going to be a big price difference.

    Remember the Sonata right now is selling hot and the prices have become inflated. When I got mine back in March I paid the same price for the Limited with NAV as Cars Direct is quoting for one without. A year from now you're going to see the Limited with NAV and turbo going for around $28K and without for around $26K. You're not going to see the TL or Infiniti drop from what you see today. If anything, they will go up.

    Basically I disagree that Hyundai or Kia is pricing themselves into the next class of cars. They are going to compete with the Camry and Accord. They are not targeting the Infiniti or Acura.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    A lot of people I know and online are getting fully loaded ones in the mid 30s, which isn't bad considering its almost 40 fully loaded.

    If you go on the G37 forums they are routinely getting $5k off of MSRP so you can get a G37x for around $35k for a $40k+ car. I realize the old I35 were pretty much rebadged Maximas but the upcharge wasn't all that much either compared to the Max and you got the service and extra warranty of Infiniti with it so it wasn't a rip off. I think most people who bought them knew what they were getting....it wasn't a big secret.

    It's just like my QX4. We were looking at Pathfinders but, on a lark, decided to see what we could get the QX4 for. We were pleased when we got the QX4 for less than Nissan would deal for Pathfinder and we were trading in a Maxima! The Nissan salesman literally threw my keys on the desk when I told him the deal that was offered at Infiniti and told me to go it there then. I did and have loved the vehicle.

    Anyway, what do you think of the new Buick Regal? It's only out in a sedate I4 form but it looks very nice and seems solid.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Check the prices paid forums on the G37. People are routinely getting $5k off MSRP. But I agree, before I buy anything I'm waiting for the Optima turbo to come and check that out. I like the styling better than the Sonata and the equip looks a little different. Something else interesting is the Sportage. It's a new style like the Tucson but it's getting the turbo as well. A little pocket rocket CUV anyone?
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Yeah at the end of the day, I'll see what I can get the Optima/Sonata for and what I can get an A4 Quattro or G37x for and decide that way. Throw in the new Buick Regal to that equation as well.

    I like the Optima styling better in pictures, and I like that it has the UVO (Ford Sync like system).
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    Yeah, but each vehicle is selling to a different crowd. Plus, the premium package on the Max comes with 7 or 8 luxury sedan features, that the G still doesn't so you have to choose what driving style you have, if you have a family, and if you want those extra luxury features the Max has that the G doesn't. It really comes down to you what your specifically looking for.

    The new regal was nice, definitely a huge step in the right direction for a Buick and I think will be an excellent competitor to the G25, TSX, and IS250 in the performance department but their interior was not quite up to the high quality of the Japanese in my opinion. Too many things on the dash and console felt cheap and the seats, at least for me, were ridiculously too firm on my back, even fully depressed, and I had to get out of the car after 1-2 minutes because of how much pain I had in my back.

    Seat comfort is highly subjective though
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    Becareful in the prices paid forums and keep in mind, what some people get off in one part of the country do not get in other parts. I know my local Infiniti dealers are not giving 5k off right now. Around where I live the max has been around 3k if your lucky and haggle a bit.

    Also, their is an Infiniti General Manager on those finance and lease threads who routinely reports what his dealership and local dealerships in Texas are giving off and what they give off and have for incentives for Texas are typically very different in other parts of the country.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Around the Chicago area the dealers are pretty much advertising $5k off any G37x. I read the G37x forums on a daily basis so I know what you're talking...ie sewellgsm and he simply reports on his dealerships...not others in Texas. He gives averages but if you look at them you realize that they gave deals that low as well...nust not as many. It's just how informed the customer is and how hard they are willing to negotiate.

    Luckily, here in Chicago there is good competition between dealers so the prices are good. I believe most major metro areas that have 3 or more Infiniti dealers are going to see good prices. In more remote markets...not as good. But that goes for just about any make of car.

    In the old days you could play one make against the other across the street but so many dealers now own mutltiple brands they say....go ahead, I own that dealership too. So living in a larger metro area may have it's disadvantages but for car buying it definitely helps.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    yeah, I should have been more specific, he only reports his dealers, and other edmunds members who live in Texas try and see if they can get numbers for their local dealers from him! usually he plays it pretty cool though :shades:
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Well the current plan, is to wait on at least the Optima/Sonata turbo models to be available. I'll test drive those, price out what it will cost me OTD and then see where I am. If I can get out of the lot for 27-28k+TTL that's gonna be tough to beat. I'd have to go used at that point.

    I pass by a black G35x sedan every day on my commute. Not sure of what model year it is but it's beautiful no doubt. 2008 model with 20k ish miles on it would run me about 25,000 or so.

    I dont know. It's all a trade off I guess.
  • kfdmedkfdmed Posts: 130
    interior is very nice and upscale looking. I thought I wanted the black leather/aluminum but after seeing the the above combo in person I have changed my mind ... which is unfortunate since that combo is hard to find used.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,733
    Yeah, the light interior and wood plus a dark exterior makes it look and feel lot like a Mercedes or maybe close to an Audi. You can only get that on the Journey trim and it is a specific added option. Note - a realer might be able to retrofit it to your stock sedan for a few hundred dollars labor.(plus the parts of course - that's about $500)
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    edited July 2010
    Wow, when it rains it pours over at Toyota.

    When people are on top, they feel invincible. I guess car makers are the same way.

    I think they'll slow down and get back on track in a year or 2.
  • acdiiacdii Posts: 753
    Maybe $1m an hour isnt enough for them. LOL :shades: :lemon:
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    K5 beat Sonata in Korean sales last month. There has to be reviews out there on this thing, I assume they're all in Korean though.

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/07/02/2010070200796.html

    [QUOTE]K5 Dethrones Sonata as Top-Selling Car

    The newly-released Kia K5 has outsold the Hyundai Sonata in the domestic market, according to an industry report released on Thursday.

    Kia Motors sold 10,673 units of the K5 last month while sister company Hyundai Motor sold 9,957 Sonatas. It is the first time a Kia mid-sized sedan has topped the monthly sales chart since the company was acquired by Hyundai in 1998.

    The K5 hit the market in late May and sold 3,552 units within the first week of its debut.

    Market watchers are calling the K5's rise above the Sonata an industry landmark. The Sonata was the invincible leader of the mid-sized sedan category for 11 years, and it continually ruled the monthly sales chart except for July 2003 when it was overtaken by the Renault Samsung SM5 due to a Hyundai labor strike.
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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    edited July 2010
    this news about the new 2011 Kia K5 (Optima's name in SK) outselling Sonata is groundbreaking and really quite refreshing. It is more success coming from new Design Chief Peter Schreyer of Kia (formerly the Design Chief of Audi Motors). You'll see Audi cues on new Kia's, but mostly on the new Kia SUV's.

    The new 2011 Kia Optima will face very stiff competition, but backy is right, all the hullabulloo I raised supporting the 2010 Suzuki Kizashi will be thrown out the door when the new '11 Kia Optima comes out. Hard ta argue with that Minnesotan. Competition will be fierce but this new midsize from Kia is great and the new Cadenza (the next Kia slot-size sedan up in size a tad) they are developing will be absolutely gorgeous, too.

    But I still love the new 2010 Suzuki Kizashi and I kind of like the Ford Fusion Hybrid, too. Really a decent looking body design and ever since a team of hypermilers got 81.5mpg driving 1445.7 miles on a single tank of gas April 28, 2009, I've been following the Ford Fusion Hybrid from the cheap seats.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    Well, I have over 63,000 miles on my 06 Fusion SEL V6. No problems with the vehicle. I am very picky on the maintenance side of things. Oil changes every 3- 4,000 miles, transmission flush at 35,000, radiator flush every 2 years. No squeaks or rattles on the interior side of things. Interior holding up well with 2 kids/friends. Carpet a bit dirty in places and looking a little worn in some places. Wind noise is happening around the windshield at speeds above 60MPH. Also noticed a bit of wind noise around the sunroof area. Overall, I would give the car an 8 out of 10 after 5 years of ownership. I would recommend the Fusion be on your shopping list, and deserving of a test drive. :shades:
  • bobadbobad Posts: 1,587
    The Fusion will definitely be on my short list when I buy a car in a year or 2. I hope the interior looks better than last time I sat in one. Interior design is a consideration, but I won't let it stop me if the car is otherwise top notch. It would have to be butt-ugly to stop me. I hope Fusion is working on their prices. Last time I did a price check, the value wasn't there.
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