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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    How do you like the Sentra? We were at the Nissan store yesterday and found the 2011 seats to be very comfortable but hated the outside mirrors, they have an odd shape to them. But overall impressed with the car. Not to sure about the CVT though. They also had a Rogue with aftermarket leather...nice ride with great ingress/egress for my spinal issues. Thoughts...opinions?

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Far less than $50 per year, if you get it via your auto insurance, rather than AAA. I pay $8 per year per car through my insurance.

    The other option is credit cards, which don't provide free service but at least you can call and get help dispatched and pay for the actual service yourself.

    This is really a benefit that costs the manufacturer next to nothing, which is why I am surprised to learn it is not universal. We got 4 years on VW and 3 on Mazda, both matching the bumper-to-bumper warranty at the time of purchase.

    More significantly both also provided free loaner car, when we had a warranty repair. I assume there is nothing unusual about that and that every manufacturer provides a free loaner, at least in cases where the car has to be kept for more than a day?
  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626
    Not all provide a loaner car...but they should. We got 5 years with our Mazda & now our insurance provides it to us. Especially nice that our girls have it on their cars...even though they've got newish happens. But we love our free roadside just for the piece of mind...all makers should provide it for the life time of the car & be done with it!

    The Sandman :sick: :shades:

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I think supplying a loaner is strictly a dealer perogative and has nothing to do with the manufacturer. There may be a couple of manufacturers that somehow force the dealer to do it but I'm pretty sure it is few and far between. Manufacturers may encourage it though.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    I am quite certain that for warranty work car was paid for by Mazda and VW, not the dealer. The paper work was for rental car and the rental car appeared on the warranty receipt. With one dealer I even had to go to enterprise to get a rental car. Perhaps "loaner" was the wrong term to use, these were rental cars either from the dealer's in- house rental fleet or from Enterprise.

    Because we had an extra vehicle that needed to be used anyway, I turned down the free loaner/rental one time and the service adviser called several times when repairs were delayed, telling me that VW would pay for rental car if I wanted it.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    edited October 2010
    Well, since the Sentra is a mid-sized sedan in the eyes of the EPA at least, I'll provide a short response: it's a good little car, and IMO the best new car I could get (last April anyway) for $179/month sign-and-drive. Smooth-riding, quiet, comfortable, decent back seat for a compact (outside) car, quality look and feel to controls, good mpg with a light foot (CVT). Mirrors are nice and big, the only thing I don't like about them is they don't fold. Fits my needs well, and if something better is available when the lease is up, I can toss the keys and walk away.

    Funny story: the sales rep I work with, who drives a new, leased E350, saw my Sentra in a parking lot the other day and asked, "Is that your Lexus?" I told him it's mine, just not a Lexus. Not a "car guy", obviously.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    I think you were lucky on the manufacturers. Here's an excerpt from an article on posted today.

    Looking to get some scheduled service work done on your GMC or Buick? If so, you may want to hold off for a couple weeks. Bloomberg is reporting that General Motors is considering instituting a vehicle loaner program for customers who bring in their vehicle for warranty work.

    GM covers several brands. I don't think Ford(the manufacturer) has any program where it automatically provides loaners or rentals but dealers might. Even my Infiniti dealer doesn't guarantee a loaner but provides one if available.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    New article and video on the Sonata 2.0T: dex.html dex.html#ooid=lzbTdyMTp2tDrBvBAzBJfXrKYC19Fn0j

    "As its performance on our test track reveals, the all-new Sonata 2.0T lives up to the hype. It not only ticked off a few more boxes, but likely its chief rivals as well..."
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Ford provides a subsidy to the dealer for rentals/loaners. I believe it covers all Lincolns under warranty and Fords for at least the first year. But my Ford/Lincoln dealer usually provides one regardless.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    Our 1997 windstar had a free loaner for 1st 12 months. I don't know if that was the dealer or Ford at that time.

    My kid was looking at a Lancer and the salesman told him there was free loaner, when warranty repairs are needed. Did not ask about the details, but I think that meant for 5 years and, if it were a power train issue, 10 years.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 923
    My Nissan dealer let me drive a '10 Altima over the weekend when I had to leave my old Maxima there, and we live 45 miles away. It was nice -- like getting an extended test drive. I think that would be smart for dealers to do.
  • scottlscottl Posts: 109
    I drove one yesterday.

    Holy cow, what a nice car. 198hp direct injection 2.4L 4 cylinder, 6-speed auto or manual, 35 mpg(!), 4 wheel disk brakes, stability/traction control, 5 Star crash ratings under the NEW standard, bluetooth/iPod standard, steering wheel controls for stereo, phone, cruise, and info center, huge trunk, interior rated as full sized, very quiet, great firm ride, looks awesome. 5 year/60K miles bumper to bumper, 10 years/100K powertrain, 5 year unlimited on roadside assistance.

    Made in the USA.

    It gets rave reviews from all sources.

    $19K with destination and dealer fees included.

    Nothing in its class can touch that deal.
  • cannon3cannon3 Posts: 296
    As I don't doubt your review of the Sonata.. I do disagree with one point.

    Made in the USA

    How about we change this to assembled in the USA. The domestic content of the Sonata is 43%. Americans assemble the vehicle. I could go further and educate you about the tooling, spare parts, lead engineers/technicians in this plant.. but this is for another topic..


  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    If you want to get nit-picky about it, than the correct thing to say is, "Americans assemble the vehicle and make 43% of its parts--including the engine (and soon the transmission)."

    Find any machine these days of any size/complexity that has all of its parts made in the USA. I'll bet there's few if any of them. Even some "American" cars like the Ford Fusion have relatively low American parts content. But it's assembled in Mexico. Does that make the Sonata more "American" than the Fusion??
  • ergsumergsum Posts: 144
    edited October 2010
    Note the revised front end that differs from the pre-production model.

    Sonata Hybrid Review
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    Like it. The hood is a little less melted look than normal Sonata and looks a lot better than most other hybrids. Noticed that they didn't give the steering wheel the beige insert to match the seats and it looks a hell of a lot better than the color treatment in the normal Sonata. The tranny should give a lot more of a regular car drive experience.

    I'm anxious to see what the Optima Hybrid looks like. Haven't really seen thing on that, even pre-production.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    Ditto on the Optima Hybrid. I like the Sonata Hybrid looks, and again some high praise in that article for the car overall and the hybrid drive train and batteries. Personally, I'd kill that chrome piece in front and remove that black plastic bar across the front. It'd look even better.

    In any case, another hit for Hyundai looks like.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    Yeah, that chrome piece on the hood reminds of some after-market add on.
  • dash5dash5 Posts: 417
    So what does everyone think of the new Regal in terms of classification. I personally have it on my list along with the Kia Optima, Sonata and Ford Fusion. It will cost more at the high end but it already fits in under 30k and they will be adding lower end models (soon?).

    Anyone else cross shopping the Buick in with the other midsized sedans?

    It's going to come down to test drives and I'm really hoping to get the process going by year end but waiting on all the new cars coming out is taking quite a while.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    edited October 2010
    The question really boils down to whether there exists such a market. At $27k it's a very appealing alternative to a Sonata Limited or an Accord EX-L. At $30k it's a tough sell against an Acura TSX. At $33k it's a no-go against an Infiniti G37.
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