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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,675
    nycarguy: That Prelude must be fun to drive! Now that's a rare car. It's almost a collector car, I'd say, at least at this point....
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Anybody considering a 2013 Fusion other than me?

    I really wanted the 1.6L ecoboost auto start/stop engine but with Intelligent Access and push button start but alas the 1.6L is only offered in the SE and IA is only on the Titanium which only offers the 2.0. Even the hybrid doesn't get push button start which I don't understand. So it will be a 2.0 Titanium for me fully loaded. Or maybe a MKZ but I'm not sure I can justify the added cost.

    The 1.6L ecoboost with auto start/stop gets 26 city/37 highway on regular fuel. The hybrid gets 47/44. And the plug in hybrid version should be out in a few months.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,398
    In reality, the ONLY reason to buy a car with a manual transmission is because you truly LOVE the connection it gives you with the car. Years ago when most autos were 3 & 4 speeds, then a similarly equipped car with a stick would be faster & get better mileage. We've all got significant others & traffic issues to deal with.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    Hi AKirby!
    I like the styling of the new Fusion.
    No dealer near me has one in stock,
    but I may drive a Titanium before choosing...
    Wish they offered a V6...
    - Ray
    Say a truck load of 2013 Accords this AM -
    lok to me as good as they did in pictures & vids...
    [ And a V6 option is offered.]
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Hey Ray - long time no type.

    The 2013s haven't started shipping yet - should be any day now. The 2.0L Ecoboost should be very close to the same performance as the current 3.5L - maybe even a bit better.

    The MKZ will get the 3.7L V6 if you just have to have the extra power.

    At least you can still get the manual with the 1.6L EB. But not the 2.0L EB or the 3.7L in the MKZ.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    edited September 2012
    But even in 6th with the manual you'd be running at maybe 2400 rpm.

    Not if Honda designed the Accord's 6MT for fuel efficiency. For example, on a Mazda3 Skyactiv 6MT I tested, it was turning at only ~2000 rpm @ 65 mph in 6th. And it's a smaller, lower-power engine than the Accord has, so I expect the Accord would do better... if 6th is truly an overdrive on the Accord.

    If the Accord's MT really does rev that high, then yeah, no way I'd go with that, would have to get the CVT. That's the problem I have with the new Impreza--MT is way too noisy/high revving compared to the CVT. But it's only a 5MT.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,398
    My Prelude is LOADS of fun to drive. It was featured here on inside line's Readers Rides segment a few months back. I bought it brand new as a leftover on 4/27/02. It was my daily driver for the 1st 9 years of its life. I only drive it on beautiful, sunny, days & it still brings a smile to my face. Current mileage is over 147,000.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,675
    nycarguy: I didn't even know about the Readers Rides section. Thanks. Found your page. That is a very nice 'lude!

    One of my first Honda memories is from 1979. I was a freshman in hs, and a senior I knew with some money had a Prelude of that year and we went for a ride. Wow. Tiny, but the precision of the engineering floored me. At that moment I realized that Hondas could be something special...
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,675
    backy: From what I've read the 6MT on the new 2013 Accord is not geared for super efficiency. In other words, I think it is closer to 2400 rpm at 60 than 2000, but I'm not completely sure. I think they wanted it so that if you're in 6th and floor it something happens, even if you really should be in 5th or 4th or even 3rd to accelerate.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,398
    Thanks for your kind words about my Prelude. It truly is a very special car;)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,177
    Thanks Ben....
    I lifted the info on pillar size out of a couple of different articles in C/D and M/T but I don't have the actual quotes. I think going back and forth about structural stiffness, high strength steel, aluminum, and magnesium is gonna bore everyone too tears, so I will bow to your post on safety standard particulars. :)

    I just feel less confident on my lane changes in the Optima than I think any other car I have ever owned, and it affects my overall driving enjoyment.

    Maybe I should look into and aftermarket camera system. Anything is better than crashing!!!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,177
    2013 Fusion is gonna be HOT. There has not been much TV press on it so Ford can sell the remaining outgoing model. I would like the 2.0 Eco Boost (Turbo) 240HP model.

    I already love the nod to Aston Martin with the grill design(even though Ford sold it's interest in Aston a couple years ago). I can't wait to start seeing them on the road.

    I wonder how smooth the start/stop system on the 1.6 is in heavy traffic. Will it be smooth enough?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Why not just adjust your mirrors properly and then you won't have a blindspot.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,675
    edited September 2012
    I know what you mean. I feel the same way about passing in my Mazda5, which is one of the main reasons I'm thinking of trading it in on a new Accord. I carefully use my mirrors in the Mazda5, and my neck is on a swivel looking around like you said. I do it and it works, but my driving enjoyment is definitely a lot lower in the Mazda5 in that situation than in our Accord. And otherwise, like with your Optima, it's a fun car to drive and I like it. But since I'm someone who likes driving most of the time, I really want both of our cars to be in that camp of fun to drive pretty much all the time....
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,177
    Maybe I should bolt on those giant mirrors from an old F350 dually.

    My car will look like dumbo... but then I can finally adjust out that blind spot.....or take flight....lol.
  • I have seen on many sites that the 2.0L Ecoboost will require premium gas. Is this car really going to require premium gas and only make 237hp? I know torque matters more and that engine does look like its has a good torque band, but this car should get 250hp at-least with premium.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,496
    According to Ford - it is rated for both Premium
    and Regular gasoline:

    240 @ 5,500 (premium fuel) 231@5,500 (regular fuel)
    [ NO difference in peak TQ ]

    http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/specifications/engine/
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,177
    edited September 2012
    I just went to the Ford site and took a good look.

    Really, really nice looking car, good spec's, nice interior. Great selection of power-train's as well, although I think there may be one too many, made necessary by the EPA.

    Why would I want the 1.6? On roads around here I would be on the turbo a lot, and a mid-size Fusion, not to mention the Escape, is a LOT of car to get moving with such a small engine.

    Can anyone tell me why all three are offered in the states? Wouldn't it be better to just offer the 2.5 and the 2.0T and not have a third engine to worry about?
    Maybe it would be better to offer the 1.6T and the 2.0T and ditch the 2.5?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Because the 1.6L has optional start/stop capability and it yields significantly better EPA ratings (26/37) than the 2.0L (22/33). I'm guessing on those numbers but they're close.

    The 2.5L is a boat anchor and is basically just there for fleet sales and to take some of the volume pressure off the new EB engines.

    In Europe the new Mondeo (same as the 2013 Fusion) gets the 1.0L EB so that makes the 1.6L sporty by comparison.

    If they offered the 1.6L auto start/stop in Titanium trim I'd probably be ordering one.
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