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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    IIHS Ratings
    Rated good:
    -- Honda Accord, four-door
    -- Suzuki Kizashi

    Rated acceptable:
    -- Ford Fusion
    -- Honda Accord, two-door
    -- Kia Optima
    -- Nissan Altima, four-door
    -- Nissan Maxima
    -- Subaru Legacy
    -- Subaru Outback
    -- Dodge Avenger
    -- Chrysler 200, four-door
    -- Mazda 6
    -- Volkswagen Passat

    Rated marginal:
    -- Hyundai Sonata
    -- Chevrolet Malibu
    -- Volkswagen Jetta sedan

    Rated poor:
    -- Toyota Camry
    -- Toyota Prius v

    Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20121220/OEM11/121219849#ixzz2Fa8G06s7
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Better hurry on those Kizashis... they're going-going-gone! But at a great price... I see AWD models advertised for around $16k in my area. Great deal... if you don't mind looking high and low for service and parts.

    As for the test... many of these cars were designed before the latest IIHS test was implemented. So not doing well is understandable. But the Malibu is a recent redesign, as is the Camry. So their performance is puzzling.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I see on the list that the Kia Optima crash result is acceptable, while the Sonata is marginal.

    Since these cars' share their platform I find the results puzzling.

    I like the new Accord, but I hate that the 2.4 EX doesn't have dual exhaust. There is an empty hole in the left side of the bumper. I hate that. It looks like someone forgot to bolt on the left side.

    I know it's silly, but little things like that keep me happy that I bought the Optima.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    cski: There's the Accord Sport model if you want dual exhaust. But I think the Accord looks very good in any trim.

    The thing that would drive me mad about the Optima are the giant blind spots in that car because of the huge rear roof pillars. Not good imho. The Accord, almost alone among all midsize sedans, has excellent visibility all around.

    But everyone gets to make their own choices, and the Optima is clearly a very good car except for those pesky blind spots.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    edited December 2012
    Several auto makers made sudden changes to pass this test. From Cars.com:

    http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/12/honda-shines-toyota-falls-in-latest-i- - ihs-crash-tests.html

    "Honda Shines, Toyota Falls in Latest IIHS Crash Tests

    ....IIHS noted the Ford Fusion, Nissan Altima, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Volkswagen Passat and Volkswagen Jetta underwent running changes within the 2013 model year to various areas — like airbag modules and structural elements — to earn their Acceptable scores (or Marginal, in the Jetta's case). So if you're shopping any of them, check the driver's doorjamb for a sticker that has, among other certifications, the month your car was built. You'll want to ensure it came after the month during which the change was made:

    Subaru Legacy or Outback after August 2012
    Volkswagen Jetta or Passat after October 2012
    Nissan Altimas after November 2012
    Ford Fusions after December 2012

    Yes, you read that right. The Fusion earned a respectable score, but IIHS spokesman Russ Rader confirmed it won't apply until January-built cars. Automakers were "notified of what the test parameters are, and some that are able to, elect to make changes," Rader told Cars.com. "We presume that the changes that were made improve the vehicle's performance."
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    It's a new test, but an important one. Toyota was designing to the previous group of tests, which the Camry passed. I hope they get going on reinforcing the Camry structure to make it competitive.

    It just goes to show what reputation for reliability, quality and resale can do for a brand. The Camry is down toward the bottom of the pack in terms of design, interior materials, handling, 4 cylinder power, etc., but it remains the top seller. Most people don't know much about cars, and often if they have a satisfying experience with a brand, they buy it again. Suzuki was very poorly managed here in the US. The Kizashi was a great car, but that did not help Suzuki at all. On the other hand, VW and Nissan have set about building better reputations and sales for Passat and Altima, and are slowly succeeding. Sonata and Optima really built momentum with great designs and time. Knocking Accord and Camry out of first place, however, will still take years, if it happens.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    "Knocking Accord and Camry out of first place, however, will still take years, if it happens."

    ???

    The Camry might be heading for a fall, given its poor results in almost every test. But the Accord? I think it might even have a chance at #1 for 2013. This new test might make the Camry unacceptable to many smart shoppers. Even with big rebates the Camry may not sell quite like it used to....
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited December 2012
    Totally agree. I hate the blind spots on my Optima. There is only so long you can look behind you too; on a crowded highway going to work at 6am in the dark.

    The new Accord offers a blind spot camera on ALL models. I suspect this safety feature will become standard on almost all vehicle's by the end of 2014. Honda really did a great job on the new Accord. It is really good looking, swift and solidly built. I think they build it out of "lightweightium" or something (as described in a new magazine article).

    I wish I had the camera and a passenger seat with a height adjustment as standard equipment. I would certainly want that over power folding mirrors.

    Oh, and all the buttons on my rear view mirror are totally undecipherable and pretty useless when living in a condo/apt/townhouse/etc.

    As buttons go; nothing is worse than the dash on my mother-in-laws 2010 Nissan Quest. It has like 2000 buttons, all with (ancient Egyptian inspired??) picto-grams.

    What does the snake and the cat-headed warrior button do? Anyone?
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    edited December 2012
    I hope KIA and others follow Honda's lead and design cars with thinner pillars made of high grade steel, and also adopt the camera stuff.

    In terms of the Optima doing better than the Sonata in the crash test, I have a possible guess on that. As you know, for many years KIA and Hyundai were separate, competing companies. When KIA suffered a sudden financial crisis of some kind (which I don't understand or know about) the Korean gov't pressured Hyundai into buying KIA so that it wouldn't go under. But they are, to a significant degree, still separate companies.

    In other words, although KIA adopted the basic Hyundai Sonata engineering in developing the Sonata platform, it's possible that KIA engineers decided to strengthen the structure at a few key points. I don't know if that's what happened, but my guess is that it's possible. Look at that article about how some car companies suddenly upgraded some components on their cars for this test in just a few months. Maybe KIA did that too, long before the test?

    It could also be just the random variations of the test....
  • sdcal2sdcal2 Posts: 12
    Does anyone know yet how the 2013 fusion did? I see on my daughters new fusion it has air bags in the knee area?
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited December 2012
    Have you guys noticed that no one is really talking about the Camry much? As in "I want one"?

    Toyota blew it on the interior. How did the ES/GS 350 get so cool looking and the Camry so lame? The dash/interiors of the Lexus models look high grade, user friendly, and modern...while the Camry gets aluminum painted plastic all over. Barely acceptable.

    and....did you guys know that almost every vehicle Toyota makes (except trucks) is riding on some form of Camry platform? Like 6 vehicles.

    Oh, it is supposed to be the end of the world tomorrow. Should we send a Camry as an offering to that cool Aztec temple? I think Toyota can spare one. ;)
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I swear this is my last post today. Going a little nuts bottled up in my cube.

    I went to a local Ford dealer about a week ago and drove through their lot. They had 3 Fusions, all 1.6 turbos. They were hidden all the way at the back of their massive new cars lot.

    I mean, there were tons of Focus, Escapes and other vehicles. So, I can only guess as to the scope of Ford's issues or plan is for the Fusion. I still see virtually zero of them around my area; and I drive around a lot. :confuse:
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    The 1.6L Fusions were probably waiting for the new software to fix the cooling issue - that's why they were in the back.

    They are shipping a lot of Fusions finally but they're also selling them just as fast as they get them.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    The Sonata and Optima share many components including powertrains, but the front ends are significantly different. That alone could account for the difference in crash scores. It doesn't take much to get a bump in the scores... witness the ability to make small running changes to a design to move up a level. Will be interesting to see if Hyundai does that with the Sonata, which is due for a mid-gen refresh anyway for 2014 MY. They've done it before in recent years, e.g. made a running change to the previous-gen Elantra to get a Good on the IIHS side impact test.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    edited December 2012
    IIHS Ratings
    Rated good:
    -- Honda Accord, four-door
    -- Suzuki Kizashi


    I still love the Suzuki Kizashi Sport. I am a steadfast Mitsubishi fan now, though, but someone could get a great deal on a Kizashi. I truly think it's a great midsize car.

    Incidentally, I didn't notice the Mitsubishi Galant in the list above. Who has a reasonable explanation for this? Talkin' about the IIHS safety ratings above, there.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    I think they stopped making the Galant. That would probably be a good reason.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,170
    Mitsubishi and Suzuki?

    Do you collect stray kittens too?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    The Galant was one of those mid-pack finishers that never seemed to "wow" consumers enough for them to come running down to the local Mitsubishi dealer. So small is Mitsubishi's market share and showroom that they just seem to tag on to other dealers.

    Lets pretend there is "Big Willie Chevrolet". Well, Mitsubishi just shares the showroom with Chevy. I can't think of even one self-supporting Mitsubishi dealer. About 5 years ago, I saw Galant's quite frequently, and I saw many Montero's, Montero Sports, and some other products I cant remember. Now, all I see are Lancer Turbos and Montero's. Maybe a few older Galants. My point being that Mitsu needs to either get serious or stop selling here.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    The Galant is no longer sold here. The last version did not catch on, so it was discontinued. Sort of like the Kizashi, except you can still buy one, if you want an orphan car.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    "Kizashi" ...sounds like the name of a suicide ritual.

    "Where is Kali-go mother? He is never late to come for dinner"asks his 9 year old sister.

    I am sorry, but Kali-go was disgraced in battle and had to commit "KIZASHI"!

    LOL. :shades:
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