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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • pegasus17pegasus17 Posts: 536
    edited February 2013
    It's 36 payments of 245 OR 35 payments of 252 (with ZERO o-o-p). you win by $3/month.
    I still want a power seat though...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,621
    I can live w/o a power seat as long as the manual adjusters provide good range of movement. But what I am finding I like a lot more than I thought I would are the seat heaters on my wife's Sonata GLS with PEP. I figured with cloth, seat heaters were superfluous. Well, I think differently now! It's nice to feel the warmth long before the car's interior warms up.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    edited February 2013
    I'm not in the market right this second but am looking to replace a midsize sedan in about a year so I'm starting the comparos of my own. I compared the 6 Grand Touring vs the Accord EX-L. The Mazda6 GT is about $1500 more than the EX-L but it does appear to come with NAV and quite a bit more. My list is not all inclusive as some things just don't matter that much to me so I just listed the ones that are and the ones I find interesting.

    1. 6 has 6spd auto vs Accord's CVT. I personally would rather have a 6 spd auto than the CVT.
    2. 6 has about the same power and torque but arriving at lower revs.
    3. 6 weighs about 135lb less.
    4. 6 gets 26/38 and the Accord gets 27/36. Somewhat of a wash there I guess.
    5. Exteror and interior dimensions are very close so no clearcut advantage to either there but I did notice the 6 has over 2 inches more in wheelbase which usually equates to a little smooter ride.
    6. In these models, Grand Touring and EX-L, a lot standard or available but I was suprized at how much more the Mazda, which is listed below first, had for example:
    -19" vs. 17" tires/wheels.
    -Directionally adaptive headlights, not available on the Accord.
    -HIDs, halogen on the Accord EX-L.
    -11 spkr sound vs. 7 spkr sound in the Accord EX-L.
    -Glovebox light, not available on the Accord EX-L. LOL. I don't really care but there it is.
    -Gearshift knob is leather, plastic and rubber on the Accord. What's up with that on leather trim?
    -Compass standard on the 6, available on the Accord.
    -Auxilliary visors vs. not available on the Accord.
    -Voice activated NAV vs. available for the Accord.
    -Homelink on the 6, not available on the Accord Ex-L.

    There are a couple of things I noticed that the Accord has and the obvious one is that side mirror camera thing. I'm not sure I would even have that turned to tell you the truth. I'm still getting used to using my backup camera in my current new vehilce and notice a slight disruption in my awareness of where the front of my vehilce is going as I watch that thing and don't like that exactly. I realize I'll get used to it but I don't know if I want to be staring at a video pic of my side mirror driving 70 down the expressway. I'm sure it will good thing but it's not a major plus for me. The other thing was that both driver and passenger front widnows on the Accord had auto up/down vs just the driver on the 6. Not major but wanted to offer equal time.

    All in all, I would on say on paper at least the Mazda6 is great competitor and from what I've read it drives very good too. Can't wait to take my wifes's 2007 Mazda6 in for her next oil change and test drive one.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    I need to go drive an Accord, a Fusion, and a Mazda 6. This race is too close for me to make an on-paper only choice. I briefly drove a Fusion, but it was the only one the dealer had at the time.

    I am biased.....see below.

    For example, my drive into the city today was very satisfying. My Optima's 6 speed auto is always ready to choose the right gear, making 50 to 85 mph passing effortless. The sound of the dual exhaust is very throaty and quite refined until about 500 rpm before redline (6500 RPM is redline)...where it gets coarse. The main power-band is available between 3500 and 6000 RPM. It is a very flexible combination.

    So, if I only drive the Optima then my choice is going to be biased, no matter what.

    So, by this weekend I will have driven all 4 top contenders. It's an excuse to go play with cars, and since it is my birthday today, I think I will have a bit of fun! :D
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    Sounds like a good list and a fun bday activity!++

    Why are you getting a car already? Did you lease?
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    Which Fusion powertrain are you going to test drive? The 1.6L EcoBoost (with 6-speed A/T) will be a disappointment in comparison to the Accord's 2.4L and Mazda6's 2.5L. The Mazda matches the Kia Optima's maximum torque, but reaches that peak at 3250rpm (1000rpm than the Kia), so it has some extra low-end grunt. The Accord will outrun all three of them and would be almost perfect if not for that one deal-breaker- CVT!!!

    I look forward to hearing your thoughts on them after your test drives! Have fun!
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited February 2013
    I'm normally a manual guy, but this time needed to go auto for the spouse and teen in our house. I liked the Accord CVT better than I thought I would. If you're not going to shift for yourself, why celebrate the little jerks? The Accord CVT inserts a little pseudo "shift feel" via programming, and is apparently better than Nissan's CVT for feel and sound.

    I get to keep our 2008 Accord EXL 5MT, which becomes more "my" car, and so I don't mind having a CVT in the family.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    edited February 2013
    Why do you say the Accord will outrun all three? The Mazda 6i Touring Auto has been timed at 6.5 for the 0-60 and 15.5 for the quarter. The Accord was timed 6.5 and 15.7. Doesn't appear to me that the Accord outruns it. It may ourtrun the Fusion 1.6T and the Optima EX though.

    With that being said, most people IMO are not buying these cars becasue they are 1 or 2 tenths of a second quicker. Now if you were talking a couple of seconds that would be a deal breaker as that would affect the driving experience somewhat. That's really the only reason I even glance at 0-60 times for cars like this is to make sure they are in the ballpark with their competitors and they usually are. Very little seperates them when it comes to speed. Now if I were comparing a Mustang GT vs. a Camaro SS or something like that I would be very inerested in the 0-60 times etc.
  • The Mazda 6 manual seats do have height adjustment. Aftermarket seat heaters can be added for about $500 as we did with my wifes Sonata SE Turbo.
    For my car (manual cloth) and truck (leather power king seats) I installed sheepskin covers for less than half the cost of heated seats. They are warm in winter and cooler in summer. I even have sheepskin pads for the Motorcycle seats. They add serious comfort to any seat. No baahhaaaad sheep jokes please....
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    I am not buying anything. Just gonna check them out.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    I wouldn't mind checking out the whatever is selling the best, and the 2.5 would be the right engine to compare the Maz6, Accord, and Optima EX $25k models.

    On the Mazda I want to drive the 2.5i Touring of course. I need to see how much black plastic is in it compared to mine. I like the Instrument panel on the Mazda in the pictures. I really want to see if I like the way it looks in person too. Not sold on the grill.

    As I have said before a family member works for Mazda so I will just go over there and ask for one for the day.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    I think it's going to be a great car. Before that I test drove the AWD version of the same car, and it felt sluggish. They probably take a long time to break in.
    I had a 07 Fusion AWD until a couple of years ago and it was the same way.
  • You will absolutely love it, once the engine is broken in, and you can start really driving it. I just got mine past the 1000 mile mark, and now that I can fully experience what it can do, I just love it even more and am finding more excuses to drive it more aggressively. Its usual quiet purring becomes a very satisfying growl when you gun it and kick the turbo boost in! I was just driving it like grandpa going to church, just waiting to get it past the green light for going balls out, and finding out what it's capable of, and now that I know, it's a total blast!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    edited February 2013
    I went over to Mazda. Drove it, loved it. It was fully loaded and the fit/finish was excellent. I was very lucky to get any seat time at all, and what I did get was in Tyson's Corner gridlock. I hate driving there.

    I got her up to 50 mph, and did a few full throttle stoplight to stoplight acceleration runs, and there is good power down low. I did notice that there was a lot of black plastic, but it was of high quality.
    The sticker was $28k, for the Touring i model with leather and heated seats. Don't count on negotiating a deal until dealers are fully stocked. The demo I drove was not for sale....it was there just to garner pre-orders. So, don't run over to Mazda with a wad of cash till April.

    What everyone was really excited about was the new Skyactiv D - 2.2 liter Diesel, which will have 175 HP and 310 lb ft torque. Now, what is really cool is that it has a 14.1 compression ratio (super low for a compression burn engine), so it will rev more like a gas engine.

    The bottom line is that the new diesel will finally enable Mazda to wage war with Americas only successful line of Diesel compact and mid-size sedan products.... Volkswagen TDI .
  • fury63fury63 Posts: 18
    edited February 2013
    Well I was recently contacted by a Ford customer service representative who firmly explained to me through two phone conversations that my understanding of a 16.5 gallon tank holding 16.5 gallons is wrong and that filling to 12 gallons when the fuel light comes on is what it was designed for and what I should expect. She explained that there is 1 gallon reserved for vapor (huh?) and 2 gallons of reserve. She was so incredulous that I would question this issue that she didn't bother to notice that 12+2+1 still comes up 1.5 gallons short of the published capacity but what the heck do I know? Perhaps Ford should start using the term "usable capacity" in their specifications. In the next model year, they are going to have a back seat with the capacity to fit four people but you will only be able to actually fit two. The upside is you'll actually be able to prove or disprove this before you leave the dealership.

    While this may seem trivial to some, if you drive long distances it becomes a nuisance - especially in the northern plain states where there is a lot of empty space. I've lost close to 1/3 of travel range for a tank of gas because of this compared to what I previously drove (and still considered buying another of).

    And to those who use a relatively current iPhone (4, 4S - can't speak to 5 but it runs the same iOS) and are thinking about using Sync - forget it. My $50 Plantronics M50 Bluetooth earpiece connects to the iPhone in seconds and is rock solid with answering and ending calls. Pairing the iPhone with Sync creates a lot of lag that interferes with most everything else Sync does. Not having the iPhone paired with Sync allows the Sync system to operate extremely well but you of course lose one of the things you maybe purchased the car for - hands-free/device-free Bluetooth. Why they can't provide the equivalent functionality I have in the tiny Bluetooth earpiece in the very impressive Sync system is beyond me.

    Rant off :mad:
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,406
    You can keep driving after the light comes on. My accord light comes on with about 3.5 gallons left. I can still drive 100 miles then fill up and put in 16 or so gallons on a 17.1 gallon tank. Best tank is 670 miles on my 2007.

    Have not had my 2013 out on a highway trip yet but it is getting better mpg than the '07 on similar trips. Should be able to hit 700 miles.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,896
    While this may seem trivial to some, if you drive long distances it becomes a nuisance - especially in the northern plain states where there is a lot of empty space.

    I hear ya. One of the things I look for when doing comparisons for a future purchase is range on a tank. This is for two reasons. One, like you, I like to fill up less frequently when on a trip of length. Two, the fewer number of times I have to fill up in the dead of winter the better. Seems all the manufacturers have reduced their tank size. I'm sure it's to save a few pounds which probably equates to .05 better mpg and they must figure since they have increased MPG overall that people won't care because, after all, they are still getting the same supposed range as before. For awhile the Altima still kept it's 20 gal tank and could get 34-35 on the hwy. That was some range. Now I see they have reduced to tank size to 18 or less.

    I agree that it would be nice if there was a "usable capacity" amount that could be referenced. When they reserve 2 gals for this and a gal for that it affects a smaller capacity tank more than it affects a larger tank as a percentage.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    That's just because the engineers haven't identified the problem with the fuel tanks so there is nothing "official" to report yet. There is something wrong - either a baffle problem or the wrong tank. One person was getting 12 gallons and after replacing the tank was able to put in at least 14 gallons on E.

    I have a 2013 Fusion with MFT and an iPhone 5 and have never had a single problem with the phone pairing or not pairing or messing up anything else. It's either a bad phone, bad software (3.5.1 is the latest version) or a bad APIM in the car. It's not a flaw with sync or MFT.
  • fury63fury63 Posts: 18
    Thats encouraging to hear. I suppose I can try it with my wife's 4S to see if its a bad phone. But seeing how it works well with other Bluetooth devices (Plantronics & Jawbone) my guess is it isn't the phone. Kirby you seem tied into Ford, what do you recommend I do? My dealer doesn't seem too willing to dive into the BT issue. It becomes a finger pointing exercise. I appreciate the help.

    Thanks.
  • fury63fury63 Posts: 18
    Ford recommended I do not drive far after the light comes on. That's when we got into the "well is there 2 more gallons in there or not?" discussion. I came away with the impression they are virtual.
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