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  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,788
    "... I personally don't believe it's necessary to purchase an extended warranty for a Honda, especially a 4cyl Accord. ..."

    I purchased an extended warranty back when we bought my wife's 2002 Civic. It has paid for itself. We had a couple of electronic modules go bad, and something or other else I can't recall right now.

    In general it may not be used, but I always want to have full repair coverage for the life of the loan.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    MT stated plainly in the article that the checklist they used to eveluate the cars contained none of the extra equipment they got on the Mazda so it wasn't given "extra points". The drivetrains, suspension, steering etc which was really what was being evaluated is the same on all trims of the Mazda. MT takes what it gets from the manufacturers to use for comparisions.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited March 2013
    When I bought my car last year I weighed in all the pros and cons of the extended warranty; which included past experiences with repairs.

    Just an engine computer can cost upwards of $1500, and under many "powertrain" warranties are not covered, even though they control the powertrain. One repair on my last car involved replacing both the ECU and the BCU for a whopping $2200. It was covered under ext warr.

    I spent $950 on my new cars' extended warranty (2012 Optima EX), and I look at it this way...

    My car will be paid for in 5 years. Based on my current mileage, I will still have 5 more years and 40 k covered under the extended bump 2 bump warranty after it's paid for!! Also by then, I will have a new teen driver, who knows nothing about cars. Free roadside assistance, towing, and b-2-b coverage will comfort me every time she takes the car out. If I decide to sell it, it adds a lot of value to the new owner, and puts me in an improved negotiating position. (I have NEVER traded a car in. I always sell outright)

    So, how much is peace of mind worth? It is all about managing risk, and for $950 bucks, it takes a heck of a lot of risk out of the equation. Works for me, but not for everybody. To each his own. :)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,415
    One repair on my last car involved replacing both the ECU and the BCU for a whopping $2200. It was covered under ext warr.

    What was your last car?

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Yes, to each his or her own. Most advice you see these days is to pass on the extended warranty. For most people, it is generally not worth it, especially given how reliable most cars have become. But if adding $1000 - 1500 to the price of the car isn't a big deal to you, and you like the thought of that extra dose of security, then by all means. Most people will not have unexpected $2200 repairs on every car they buy, so even if you are unlucky enough to have it happen on every other one, you would still be better off putting the money in the bank, or at least breaking even. But when you buy the insurance, that money is gone. In other words, you have already paid for a $1000 repair whether or not you ever need it. I have owned nearly 30 vehicles, and the only time I bought an extended warranty, I never used it.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    Grand Cherokee Laredo V8. Had 3 young kids with car seats...so it was that or banished to a minivan. The Jeep drove fantastic.....I still miss it's AWD with mostly rear drive bias, and the view out of the back was fantastic.

    I bought a service contract on it and saved $7,700 in repairs, plus the contract amount of $1,200 was re-couped.

    It's Electronics were s***. Transmission too. Great cross country driver though. Took it to Buffalo like 10 times. Never left me stranded. 15 MPG :cry:
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    I would have bought a service contract on a Jeep too. Guess I was thinking more in terms of a Camry or Accord...
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    Guess I was thinking more in terms of a Camry or Accord...

    I tend to agree. I'm not big on service contracts, the odds are usually against the person buying the contract, but the odds certainly change with the vehicle being purchased.

    My in-laws bought an extended warranty on their 05 Camry and never used it. Heck it's at 190k miles and the only repair has been a wheel bearing.

    OTOH, my dad did not buy an extended warranty on his 09 Accord EX-L v6 and he's had extensive engine problems well after his factory warranty expired and Honda has been covering all his problems while including new loaner vehicles for him to drive. He has 90k miles on it and Honda is going to essentially rebuild the engine free of charge.
  • gene84gene84 Posts: 9
    I agree, it depends on what you buy. When purchasing my 2000 Honda Odessey Hondas and Toyotas had the lowest cost 100,000 mile/7-year extended warranties by far. My 2004 Toyota Prius has 213,000 miles and no problems (no belts, hoses, shocks, TX adjustment, nothing) except rear brakes at 200,000 miles because I forgot to release the emergency brakes. If you buy a Honda or Toyota you probably don't need an extended warranty.
  • mani_omani_o Posts: 6
    I really love the look and features of the new Accord but I'm scared of the transmission in that car. Every time I tell someone I like it a family member or friend talks about how much they spent to get their tranny fixed. How does Honda get away with getting top reliability picks with so many cars having this issue? I get all cars have their problems but when I hear the same issue over and over from multiple sources, red flags start to go up with me.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 924
    The new Honda has a brand new transmission so your friends are talking about something else. Regardless, Honda has an excellent reliability rating.
  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 78
    I have had 6 (5 Accords and 1 Odyssey) Honda automobiles over the past 20 years or so and I put a minimum of 80,000 miles on each and never had a transmission problem of any kind. I just purchased a new 2013 Accord V6. And I am very happy with my choice. It rivals many luxury sedans in terms of comfort, features, amenities, and materials. Light years better than the last generation Accord.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    I think you take a risk with any new automobile purchase...but with that being said ALL are much more reliable (on average) than the previous generation.

    A few years ago I was comparing JD power stats between Audi and Toyota. At that time you could buy a new Audi with the same reliability as a 5 year old Toyota; which in my mind was not too bad. Of course the newer Toyota was ranked even higher.

    The Accord tranny is a CVT; I think their first (in NA anyway). There are a few designs out there and I'm not certain the difference between them. The only thing I've heard about the Accord CVT is what I've read (it was positive).

    I've had a few friends all need new transmissions (Odyssey) but that didn't stop me from buying 2 Hondas after that. Both were 4 cyl (1 was a manual).

    Nissan has offered CVTs for a few years...and have offered extended warranties after complaints regarding high repair costs after the warranty has ended.

    I'm not certain of the very-long-term reliability/maintenance costs.

    Originally CVTs were only in 4cyl cars; there was some issue with them handling torque. Audi was the 1st to offer a 6cyl with CVT and I don't know if they 'discovered' some design/technique to handle the torque.

    I've always liked Honda's with 4cyl (which I purchased in Dec)...if I were to purchase today I'd do it with the CVT without worry...but I'm not basing that off of any facts...just gut-feeling :)
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I read the entire article, and I drove a new M-6. It's a great car. No doubt it handles better than others, including my Optima. The thing is ; that for $26,900 I can get a Optima Turbo. For the Mazda's GT price of $31k they better bolt on a turbo and dial up another 100 horsepower. Then the GT will be earned. Right now all the GT means is "Good Tires". I LOVE the 6.....why did Mazda not offer more zoom-zoom????
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    One word = MPG. The diesel is coming this fall.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    Just got mine last night. Wonderful car so far. Almost everything is improved compared to our 2008 Accord EXL navi 5MT, which we're keeping.

    The technology in this car is great, but a bit daunting to figure out.

    Anyway, best wishes to all searching for a midize car. As most people here say, there are a lot of good choices.

    Safe driving everyone...
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    This might smart a little, cski, but just sharing with you out loud my thoughts when I read your post..Honestly...do you really think that when comparing vehicle potential reliability, refinement etc and overall satisfaction levels, it is a dead even comparo to put Kia up against Mazda? I will admit they have come a LONG way in the last few years...note I did not even say decade. That was deliberate and IMO, accurate. You can't even go back 10 years and say they were a force to be reckoned with!

    And here is another reason my opinion may seem a little rigid and not very tolerant or complimentary to them yet..
    I still read where many owners have been burned by legitimate wty claims, in circumstances where Kia or Hyundai refused because the owner hadn't been in for every little service stamp for brake inspection or some such other carp that few other brands...the ones with more average length warranties..don't have. If you are going to offer a 100000 mile wty (and of personal note and frustration here in Canada, that big 10/100000 is only 5/62000. They call it 5yr/100000km and have never yet been able to properly justify to anyone here who calls them on it, other than blow smoke up our collective butts, as to why the USA gets the better wty. We even pay a LOT more for the same car here.)..anyway, if you're going to offer what appears to be a really impressive wty and if it really IS truly marketed as good value, then why:

    a) make it non-transferable?

    and

    b) make owners jump through unnecessary, (but usually expensive) maintenance hoops (or use other feeble excuses) to not cover their claim?

    I think far too much emphasis is placed on their wty as the value-added perk that tips the scale in their favour (favor) when really, in so many other respects the rest of the car has very real annoyances that wreak of cheapness. Like poor audio systems. There is no excuse for this in this day and age. And rust! Gosh I have seen some Magentis' running around that actually look worse than a 2002 Protege 5, and as we all know, they did have an issue..

    And while we are putting cards on the table here so-to-speak..do you think that it is a mere coincidence that Mazda always gets the handling nod, even when compared to their stiffest perceived competition..that being probably Honda?? Practically no matter which auto mag of the day tests, or how many years you wanna go back, for at least 20 years+, Mazda has always done something different when designing and building their suspensions. They deliver crisp responsiveness, but do it without making it harsh. Do you think that is easy (read cheap/more economical) to do, or do you think that the suspension components in both the Hyundai/Kia and the Mazda are of equal value/complexity? Hope you don't mind if I answer for you..no! No they're not! There usually are no free-rides when building and designing a car. If you're gonna be a copy-cat..then it takes years and years of c/cing to start getting it so right you actually deserve to be considered on equal ground when comparing..and in the real world..sometimes it takes 60-80k (or even more dramatically, 120000) miles to really show which one has the better staying power...but one of the big differences is...the Mazda (in this example) is gonna feel a whole lot better behind the wheel, enroute to getting to those 120000 miles in its backpocket and tighter still to boot..

    Will Kia and Hyundai ever be good as Mazda is now? Probably, if they don't let happen to them what happened in 1989 era, and/or if Mazda screws up in some respects like they did in 02 to 06, then who knows, the Koreans could pass 'em..
    But, IMO, they are in catch-up mode right now with Mazda/Honda/Nissan/Subaru and still will be for a good number of years yet..

    Kia/Hyundai...(and the other Asians) if ya REALLY want to impress me..make your rust wty as rock solid as VW's is...
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I read an article about New York area taxi drivers think very highly of the Prius. Something about it being unkillable. I knew that an extended warranty on my Jeep was a good idea. Not so much on Accord. On my Kia? Yeah, for the right price. I still came out ahead. There was still a tiny bit of doubt about Kia's reliability.

    I just had my 15k oil change Thursday. One of the rubber bump-stops on the trunk lid broke off and the center console latch needed adjusted/tightened due to heavy use. Both problems taken care of free.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    edited March 2013
    A couple of weeks ago, I brought home a 2013 Fusion Titanium.
    So far, I haven't even put 200 miles on it, but I hope to be able to provide more observations as I put some miles on it.
    It's my second Fusion. I bought the first one in 2008 and had it for about 3 years.
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