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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    My neighbor has a 2010 w/the 6speed auto and it was replaced at 52k. Something about a solenoid. Took three weeks for the dealer to get it fixed.

    Is there a TSB or recall?
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    edited April 2013
  • When we were shopping for a new car in 2011 we completely wrote off the Fusion due to the extensively reported transmission issues.
    Ford's reluctance to correct the fault kept me away from the brand to this day.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    edited April 2013
    It is a pain in the A** to just post a picture here. Not fun.

    try this link:

    and this one:
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    That's a pretty inaccurate post, other than the Fusion using a 6 speed automatic transmission.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    edited April 2013
    The trans problems include harsh shifting from 2 to 3, and "flares" which have other symptoms. :sick:

    Here is a link to the Fusion forums thread where topic is discussed in detail. deo/page-7
  • The Ford Fusion sold more than 30,000 units in March, and more than 80,000 units in the first quarter of this year, breaking both its all time monthly sales records and its all time quarterly sales records for the first time in Fusion history, putting it in 3rd place behind the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord, see the full article here:
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited April 2013
    Yeah, it's a sizzling race in the midsize market. I think the Fusion might surprise on the upside and end up in the top 3 by the end of the calendar year. Take a look at these numbers from TSX at

    Altima 37,763 -8%
    Camry 37,663 -8.2%
    Accord 36,504 +41.4%; PHEV 26
    Fusion 30,284 +6%
    Malibu 18,539 -22.4%
    Sonata 18,031
    200 16,593 +11%
    Optima 14,366
    Avenger 12,439 +33%
    Passat 9,521 -5.1%
    6 6,102 -22.3%
    Legacy 4,400 -18.3%
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    The midsize cars that are slumping in March include the Malibu, down c.22% from March of last year. The Sonata is also down 22%.

    VW has the capacity to make c. 170,000 Passats at their factory in TN, but right now it looks like they'll be closer to 120,000 or so. The VW has the least impressive standard engine out of all of the midsize cars.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited April 2013
    Sales of most 2013 midsize cars began around Sept. of 2012, and most of the model year will be sold out by Sept. of 2013.

    In other words, we are about halfway through the model year. It's possible to make some rough guesses as to where things are going to end up for the model year. Here are my guesses:

    Camry: c. 450,000 (probably the worst midsize car of the top sellers, but Toyota will give them away to stay #1)
    Accord: c. 400,000
    Altima: c. 400,000
    Fusion: c. 400,000

    As you can see, I'm guessing there might be a roughly 3-way tie for second place. The competition is going to be brutal, with great deals on good cars making the customer King (and Queen).

    Big drop after the top 4....My guesses

    Sonata: c. 220,000 (Sonata is slumping, needs an update asap)
    Malibu: c. 200,000 (ditto)
    200: c. 200,000 (big move up)
    Optima: c. 170,000 (holding steady)
    Passat: c.140,000 (I think incentives + diesels + V6s will keep them in the game)
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited April 2013
    I thought Ford was already building the Fusion at Flat Rock, MI, but that won't happen until this Fall, according this this article. And so my guess above was clearly wrong. I don't think Ford will be able to make and sell more than c. 300,000 Fusions for model year 2013. During model year 2014, however, Ford should be able to make 450,000—if there's demand for that many....

    Ford turned in strong March results, with deliveries up 9.0% on a daily selling rate basis to 231,127 vehicles, volume not seen since May 2007.

    Several new Ford models posted gains, with the Fusion midsize sedan up 9.9% and the Escape cross/utility vehicle rising 32.3%.

    The 30,284 Fusion deliveries in March mark the first time the car has eclipsed the 30,000 mark in monthly sales since its introduction in 2005, but Ford officials hint that volume may not be sustainable due to capacity constraints.

    “We’ve seen record customer sales and strong demand in California and Florida,” Ken Czubay, vice president-U.S. marketing, sales and service, says of markets where the auto maker has struggled in the past. “That will begin to place some constraints in supply starting in coming months.”

    Ford currently builds the Fusion at its Hermosillo, Mexico, plant alongside the Lincoln MKZ midsize sedan. Plans call for additional capacity to be added at the Flat Rock, MI, facility this fall.

    Czubay, in a conference call today with media and analysts to discuss March sales results, does not disclose current Fusion inventory levels, saying only that levels won’t go “critically low,” but days’ supply will “drop lower than generally accepted.”
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,043
    edited April 2013
    It burns my a** that the Camry stays the sales king. I know they have a loyal following. Their customers feel that they don't break down, and are a good value. Customer PERCEPTION is everything, (and so is a $179 lease payment).

    I can understand the lease, and the need to feel "safe" with a car decision,
    but why do people buy cars with hubcaps and greyhound bus quality interior for $26,000??? I just don't get it. There is so much out there to choose from before laying down my head at the slaughter with Mr. Toyoda.

    Also, I have noticed that nobody posting here is a Sonata fan. I agree with the need of a refresh, post haste, if Hyundai wants to stay at (or near) the top.
  • I find it hysterical that people justify their car purchases by touting sales numbers.
    Lemmings pitch themselves off cliffs because all the other Lemmings are doing the same. :surprise:
  • So the Fusion dropped back down to #4? I thought it was still at #3! Oh well, it's great that they're selling alot of them, but personally I'd be happier if they stopped selling them! I'm still enjoying my newfound celebrity status, and most people thinking that I'm driving a new Jaguar XF! Now that the new Jaguar XFRS has been revealed, I find it quite hilarious that the only major visible difference between that car and my Fusion is an Aston Martin grille and a different spoiler, otherwise they're nearly identical and they look like they're fraternal twins!
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Also, I have noticed that nobody posting here is a Sonata fan.

    I have a 2013 Sonata (my wife's car)... if that counts. ;)

    I've posted here before that I realize the Sonata is not at the top of the heap anymore, as it's one of the oldest mid-sized designs now, but for a $47 a month, nothing out of pocket lease (after trading in a beat-up 2007 Sonata), hard to beat it. I'd take it any day over the Camry, and although the latest designs have some advantages over the Sonata, it has a nice combination of style, features, comfort, power, and fuel economy that make it a very enjoyable ride.

    Anyway, the Sonata is scheduled for a refresh for 2014. We'll see what Hyundai comes up with.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Good point. Perhaps the top car in the class right now, the Mazda6, has dismal sales numbers. And the Legacy is a very nice car, and doesn't sell very well.
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,621
    edited April 2013
    Tundra: That was not the point at all! Lmao. We were making fun of and critiquing the car that won—the Camry.

    But here's what the editor of Automobile Magazine said in summarizing their comparison test of midsize cars:

    "....We have driven the new 2013 Honda Accord, and it is magnificent. Two weeks ago, most of the staff abandoned the office for a unique, bracketed, head-to-head test of eight mid-size cars, arguably the finest group of family sedans ever on the market at one time. Go to or download our May iPad issue to read the report. I will tell you one thing: the 2013 Honda Accord blew everyone away. It's been a long time coming."
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,674
    Just taking a wild guess here, but I suspect some of the Mazda6 numbers could be due to them releasing the 2014 MY very early. Maybe lots of shoppers holding off buying the 2013 and waiting for the 2014 to become widely available? Dunno.

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  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,618
    Probably. But the Mazda6 has never sold in big numbers compared to most competitors, despite being a very competitive car. It certainly will never match the sales numbers of the likes of the Camry, Accord, Altima, and Fusion, since Mazda can't ship enough cars over here even if they could sell them.
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