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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    You've had your blades through one full summer. and 1/2 of another. Does your car sit outside at home or at work? That ages the blades the most.

    I used Rain-X and had it start streaking on my windshield. Tried to remove it. But I think it has deteriorated my blades along with sun. I usually replace blades with ANCO blades from Walmart every year on both cars.
  • gmanusmcgmanusmc SoCalPosts: 436
    Currently drive a Civic, but am considering going back to an accord sometime after the 2014s come out - that's why I've been watching this thread - lots of good info. Have owned a number of accords in the past - all great cars that were low maintenance and always provided dependable transportation - nothing controversial to report.

    Bill G
  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680
    On a recent 100 mi hwy trip between Louisville and Cincinnati in our 2013 Accord CVT, we got 36.8 mpg with AC on, 65-75 mph. Even hit some traffic. That's about 7 mpg more than we'd get with our 2008 Accord on a trip like this.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,251
    You should be looking to replace wiper blades around once a year. I usually wait until they streak badly. If you take a soft rag with rubbing alcohol and slide it up and down the edge you will clean off an amazing amount of dirt. That can make even newer blades work poorly. It can refresh your older ones as well.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,048
    >Louisville and Cincinnati in our 2013 Accord CVT

    Have you experienced any problems with your CVT? That has been one of the cars I'm watching for the replacement, midsized or smaller, for two cars I have.
  • igozoomzoomigozoomzoom Waleska, GeorgiaPosts: 790
    "I think Honda makes great engines - although they seem to be having problems with the 6 cyl VCMs burning oil - but they have never really made a great transmission. Historically, this has been the weak point in Hondas - the transmissions."

    That's not exactly true. The 3-speed and 4-speed versions of the Hondamatic served hundreds of thousands very well for many miles! Especially the Accords thru 1997 and Civic at least thru 2000. The '86-'89 Accords (LXi models, in particular) were known for shifting VERY firmly (in cold weather, it might jar your teeth during a full-throttle downshift) but they were still rock solid. The '86-'87 LXi and '85.5-'87 Prelude Si were the ones that would throw you thru the windshield with each shift, but the '88-'89 LXi wasn't nearly as abrupt even though it had an extra 10hp (120hp total). My theory is that they didn't adequately adjust or tweak the transmission as the Accord (and 'Lude) engines gained hefty bumps in power during those years.

    Since 2000-ish, the 5-speed automatic has been a nightmare from hell....and the V6/5AT combo in any Honda/Acura was akin to playing Russin Roulette! I have a cousin who works for North American Honda HQ in Torrance, CA. I know for a fact that the conservative estimate for the total number of A/T failures on 2000-2005 models is AT LEAST 1.1 million!!! And Honda only warrantied 640k of those....

    Meanwhile, my dad's 2004 Accord LX 2.4L/5AT just passed the 240k mark and the original 5AT still shifts like new....

    I was a Honda/Acura devotee for 17 years and never foresee owning another one for several reasons, one being the way they ignored the massive A/T failures! Only the owners who were willing to raise sheer HELL got warranty replacements past the 36k warranty...Soichiro Honda would roll over in his grave or urn or whatever he's in.....
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 924
    We've had ours for 6 months now and absolutely love it. Quiet, smooth, and wonderful gas mileage. I haven't owned a 2000s era Honda but I know lots of people who have and have had great experiences with them. They get very high ratings from Consumer Reports too. I wasn't worried at all about reliability; I wanted a car that would also have a lot of nice features, which Honda didn't have much of in the 2000s. They sure do now.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 924
    I was curious so I did a little research and found out that there was a recall in 2004 covering mostly vehicles with. v6 engines: the Acura MDX and TL, the v6 Accord, and the Odyssey and Pilot. 4 cyl engines were not affected, which would be all Civics and most Accords. Since your dads Accord was a 4 cyl it behaved the way we expect most Hondas to: dependable and long-lasting.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    I replace mine when they start streaking or in the fall with OEM blades from the Ford dealer. Usually about $20 a pair.
    One interesting feature some of them have is a plastic dot on then that turns yellow when it's time to replace them.
    If they are working ok and I'm at the dealer for service, I just peel off the dot so the service writer doesn't tell me they need replacing.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I'm sure it was just a typo, but the problem rate is out of 100, not 1000, a discrepancy of a factor of 10! One way to put it is that the most reliable cars still have less than 1/2 as many problems as the poor reliability brands. That's a huge massive difference in my honest opinion.

    The more reliable comes off as an attempt at quality, the less reliable comes off as an attempt to rip off the consumer.

    JD Power only measures reliability of nearly new cars. Add another 3 years to those cars and suddenly the problem rates skyrocket by another factor of 10 in those problem vehicles. Get back to me when JD Powers measures 6 or 9 year old vehicles.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    I was an '03 V6/5AT Accord Coupe owner and had transmission troubles past the 36K mile mark and warranty period. It is simply not true that you had to raise sheer hell. If you had done a service or two at the dealer (showing good maintenance history that they could easily verify), you could bring your car in on a Monday, get a loaner free of charge, and they'd install a new transmission assembly replacement and have you on your way Wednesday afternoon.

    And by the way, they warrantied most of those either another 36K or to 100K miles.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    edited August 2013
    Fusion is going on a road trip.
    Moving our college age kid, senior year, out to school 800 miles one way.
    We are taking 2 vehicles, kid's '04 Escape and the '13 Fusion.
    Good news:
    My sister lives about halfway there on the route we would take anyway and I am stopping to pick up a table and 4 chairs she got cheap at a tag sale.
    Bad news:
    I have to drive the Escape to pick it up. That sucker is noisy on the highway.
    Wife and daughter get to drive the Fusion and it will get much better mileage.
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 221
    They had a class action suit on the transmissions and extended the warranty to 100k on all of them - 4 and 6 cyl. My 4 cyl accord had 3 rebuilt transmission put in it and each time they put in a new one they gave a 3/36 warranty on it. As for the civic hybrid with the CVT - it was a disaster. That's my fear of buying an accord - long history of transmission problems and the only cvt I'm aware of was their civic hybrid. IDK if they've gotten it together or not with the transmissions. I forgot that I'd driven one months ago. I forgot that it was an accord as my memory was on the salesman with the dollar store cologne, slicked back oily hair, and his infinite wisdom on all subjects - albeit it was obvious he was poorly educated. I couldn't get away fast enough. But, I do remember experiencing what motortrend mentioned on their first drive and wind noise above my ear:
    The only complaint is that it's a little jerky at parking lot speeds; something we hope is unique to our pre-production test cars.
    www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1209_2013_honda_accord_first_test/viewall.ht- ml#ixzz2bUlmMoex

    I've read quite a few blogs on the VCM and using oil seems to be a frequent complaint. For whatever reason, it seems cylinder #3 gets soaked with oil. I think Honda, like all manufacturers, has its share of problems. What keeps their value up is the incredibly low fleet number sales - about 1 percent - which is very small compared to other companies. Three years down the road if you want to sell your car you have to compete with the fleet sales and that's where Honda really shines - very few fleet sales to compete with.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 924
    The pre 2006 civic hybrids had some problems with the CVT, but I don't believe that there have been an unusually large number post 2006. And all CVT technology has greatly improved for all models. But if it makes you nervous buy something else. All auto guides I have seen have no hesitation recommending cars with CVT ( some of them may not like how they drive but that's another and more subjective matter) .
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    First - that index DOES measure 3 yr old cars, not new ones. You're thinking of initial reliability - different measurement than the dependability study.

    And yes that was a math error. Redoing the math says the difference between 3rd place and 27th place on a single vehicle over 3 years is 2 problems instead of one 40% of the time.

    That's pretty close in my book and wouldn't sway me away from something I liked. Or are you just looking for an excuse to bash Detroit?
  • Just got a new Sonata today- I am noticing a really rough ride- feeling every bump on the road- is there a "break-in" period for suspensions, tires and shocks?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    Check the tire pressure. They overinflate them for shipment and sometimes the dealer forgets to lower it for delivery.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,325
    3 years is nearly new to me IMHO. I meant what I said and I stand by it.

    JD Powers is pretty much a paid-for advertisement. Doing pseudo studies on 3 year old cars works well for Detroit's short bumper to bumper warranties and "planned obsolescence" methodology and culture.

    CR routinely reports on 7 year old cars; which provides much more useful and relevant data on what dependability really means.

    Frankly, even my Dodge in the mid-nineties might have garnered a blank dot from me on its 3rd birthday, but by the 4th year it would have had a solid black dot from me.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited August 2013
    So, I took it in for it's 4th oil change, at 20,700 miles. I gotta tell you, the weak spot in owning a Kia product is their service department. The last time I took my Optima in, it took three visits for them to replace the latch on the center console lid. Not good.

    While I was waiting, my service writer showed me the cabin air filter, (shockingly) full of debris and said it cost $59 for the filter, plus $20 to put it in. I found it for $7.99 at Advance, and put it in myself in less than 5 minutes.

    The blunder is that they left a 10" part of the cabin filter system lying on top of my dashboard, and screws in the cup-holder. I found them after already driving halfway back home. Also, they my car on a busy street with all the windows down - greasy fingerprints everywhere, in the drivers side of the interior, keys in open view and with my Garmin on the windshield, smudges all over the hood, no protectors on the floor or steering wheel, and 5 more miles on the odometer. I only told them about the left out parts and whanot and they were cool about it. I never got angry or combative and was really nice to them, and they made it right......but, I am going to a different Kia dealer next time. No more Fairfax Kia.
  • suydamsuydam Posts: 924
    That is truly horrible. I'm surprised that they don't wash your car as part of the service. Both the Nissan and Honda service departments do where I live. And they put the car on their lot, not the street. Sheesh!
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