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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I knew Buick was stealing mid size sedan sales. Every one I have seen (Buick) in person recently has been sporty, attractive, and has appropriate materials in the interior.

    Many engine choices mirror mid sizer's, such as the 2.5 liter 4 and the 2.0 Turbo available across the line.
  • Well, they do (in a way) offer the 2.0T in the Passat, except it is called the CC.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    +++Many engine choices mirror mid sizer's, such as the 2.5 liter 4 and the 2.0 Turbo available across the line. +++

    I've not seen a LaCrosse with a turbo. I thought they only had the 2.4Eco and the 3.6?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    The CC isn't the same Passat as the regular Passat we have built in TN.

    The CC is very nice, but priced a bit higher. I think of it as the poor-man's Audi A5...if poor people could afford $30+K that is.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    edited August 2013
    Likewise, think of the Sonata as a REALLY poor man's CC. :) And, the Sonata can be had with a 2.0T.
  • A slightly used CC (1 or 2 years old) seems like a good deal at around the $22-25k I see them sold for. A used VW would make me nervous, though.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    " A used VW would make me nervous, though."

    Agreed. I love the CC...and the 2013 has 3 seats in the back, but for some reason when I see a recent model VW being sold I think...it must have some sort of problem.

    When I read the VW problems they always seem severe. Although all the people I know who've owned VW's have never had major problems...reputations are hard to rebuild...

    They have attractive leases...might be a good way to try-it-out.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,744
    In 2011 I was car-shopping and looked at a CC. Loved the styling, but was not impressed with the pricing or the VW reputation. Then last year a friend of mine was car shopping and also considered a CC. He took one for a test drive and was fairly underwhelmed, I think it's safe to say. We both ended up in Buick Regals, mine a Turbo, his a GS.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I recently read two articles about the Ram 1500. With the Pentastar V6, a grown man can stand INSIDE the engine bay. That is one big vehicle. I know it claims to have 25 mpg highway, which is great for a 5800 lb truck. There is a new three truck comparo in the September C&D featuring the usual three players. It is on page 59.

    Though the RAM 1500 is off topic, the Pentastar 3.6 liter V6 isn't, as it is offered in the Chrysler 200, which is a mid size sedan. Chrysler has really stepped up to the plate with this powertrain. It is deployed all throughout their model lineup, from the Jeep Wrangler and the Grand Cherokee to the to the Charger, Challenger, Ram, Town and Country, Avenger, etc.

    **Now, speaking of great mileage on an unlikely car, I just read the first track test of the new Corvette Stingray (which replaces the Grand Sport as the "base model" Corvette). GM added a 7th gear to the Tremec three pedal manual, achieving a phenomenal EPA rating of 30 MPG. That's right folks, 30 mpg from a 6.2 liter, 460 HP V8.

    One last side-note. 7th gear is so tall on the new Corvette that theoretically; it could achieve 300 MPH before redline. Wow.

    **C&D September, page 48
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited August 2013
    I was speaking in terms of most of the line. The Regal and the Verano offer 2.4 liter and two variants of GM's 2.0 liter turbo. The Regal GS has 270 hp, the Turbo has 220 hp, and the base has the 2.4 with (yawn) 182 hp.

    The new Lacrosse shares the Epsilon 2 platform with the Cadillac XTS and the new Impala. At $33,000 for a base 2.4 liter liter (mild) Hybrid, it is a real stretch to step up to this car from a fully loaded mid size, especially to get into the 3.6 liter which boasts 303 HP. That will run you $40,000. If I think about it, I would rather have a loaded Accord V6 or an Optima SX (both blue color) than a base Lacrosse any day of the week. Frankly, the Lacrosse is an "old people's car" in my mind. No offense, but every time I see one a little old lady is driving it.

    In keeping with that thought, I think the Regal and the Verano are the most likely sedans to take a few sales from the mid size segment. I would be pleased to own a Regal GS.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    You can buy a new lacrosse with leather and V6 for 25K.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited August 2013
    No you cannot. Even with discounts and haggling to consider, you are not going to get a new, 2013 Lacrosse V6 and leather for $25,000. A truly great, "unusually low" negotiated price is $30,829.

    No way. Show me a buyers order and a contract. Really. No way. That would mean getting a Regal GS for $22,500 and a Verano for $21,000.

    I don't think so. Not even on December 30th in sub zero Buffalo are you gonna get that deal.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    Check out autotrader. there are a bunch at 25k with leather. They say they are the 4 cylinder but if you click for more details, it's the 6. One is 8 miles from me. Buick is offering huge discounts in the St. Louis area. But the key here is that you don't like the LaCrosse and I respect that. Everyone is entitled to their own preferences but it appears Buick is dumping the LaCrosse to increase sales. A friend of mine is in sales and he said the dealers get big incentives for each car if they sell a certain number per month. They make very little on the sale but make up for it with a big check from GM at the end of the month. Of course, depreciation on these cars will be hideous so overall, you might be better off with an Accord EX-L in the long run.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited August 2013
    I actually like the car a great deal. It is Buick's top of the line sedan. I will put it this way. If you find a $25,000 Lacrosse 3.6 w/ leather (Conveinience Group 1) I will take one for myself and another for my wife.

    what you saw was the Lacrosse leather 2.4 hybrid 4 cyl.

    Auto trader list=32,390. Actual price = $28,783, and that is the leather 4 cyl.

    Furthermore, the only 3.6 liter GM car you can get new for $25,000 is a Camaro base.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    How about one for me as long as you're buying. I did see a V6 leather for 27366 --laurabuick stock #131398. The 25k ones were either 4cyl or hail damaged.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    Yeah, the VW was more expensive than the Mazda 6 I was comparing at the time, but somehow it 'spoke' to me and seemed worth the premium (I didn't end up buying it). The Buick wasn't out when I initially drove the CC. I love the Buick styling but haven't had the opportunity to drive one.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    The CC is a great looking car. Honestly I don't know much about it, as I share in the sentiment about not buying a used VW...ever.

    I have a dear friend who recently re-married, and they were looking for a new car for her. At least new to them. I took the time to write up a few recommendations for them.

    They showed up this morning all proud of their used 2004 Jetta 1.8T with 85,000 mile. Already the sunroof doesn't work and a headlight is out.

    I could barely hide my disappointment. "salesman said this is a great car".

    Uggggh.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    I really like the looks of the CC but once I sat in one I found that getting in and out was a big problem for me.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    LOL. My mom (75) just falls into my car. All of us, every single person in my family, young or old, tall or short, hates the passenger seating position in my car.

    Several owners on the Optima Forums web site have installed shims and longer bolts (high strength, heat treated stainless steel) and have raised the height by about an inch. Total cost= $20. I think it is a good idea.
  • kyrptokyrpto Posts: 216
    You can get a screaming deal on any Sonata right now.
    Almost $3K off msrp AND 0% for 60 months on the best lineup - 4 cyl. - turbo - Hybrid - of mid sized sedans available.
    Awesome lineup from the Koreans!!
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