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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • vservser Posts: 48
    Is it a worthy car? Seems too nice to be reliable. Hyundai drove great but wasnt attractive on the inside.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Probably. I'm kinda weird in that I prefer the ride quality of a compact car--more nimble than a typical mid-sized car. I just like the interior room of a mid-sized car. My Mazda6i hatch is nearly ideal in that area--plenty of interior and cargo room, and nimble handling. I wish Mazda still made that car.

    As for wheelbase, the wheelbase, and length, of some compact cars is pretty close to that of mid-sized cars of a few years ago. I'm not a fan of the ever-increasing size of mid-sized cars. I'm glad to see that trend reversing a bit, e.g. the new Accord is a little shorter than the old one.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    The Corolla is still a step down. It is priced to compete with the Civic, Jetta, Cruse, Focus, etc. The Corolla has been losing car comparos for literally years due to it's lack of rear leg room, and it's dated powertrain technology. It has finally been addressed. It is still priced as a compact.

    However, you are bringing up a valid point. It is sized as a step up...but will never be accepted as a competitor for an Accord, or even it's cousin the Camry.

    It is designed to garner more sales. Every time a new version comes out the manufacturer tries to make it better. Usually bigger, faster, safer, more luxurious, etc, etc, but still performing the original role of the car. Toyota sold boatloads of Corollas around the world, even though it was a step behind the competition. They cannot afford to make mistakes on this cash cow so it was given some mid-size features, but kept it within a compact car price range as to not alienate millions of potential customers.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    No, you are not weird. I like the connected feel of a compact car too. I can feel every bump and ripple of the pavement in my mom's 2010 Forte'. It feels like a sporty car. More tossable and direct.

    My mom prefers the ride in my car, which does have rubbery steering IMO but the new tires really helped ...also IMO.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited October 2013
    If that is what happened, then I stand corrected. I do remember the icon flashed before it lit solid. It really isn't a big deal though. You have been fighting to the death over it. By the way...I don't own a Sonata. I have an Optima, (not that it makes any difference here). Backy has the Sonata. Anyway, I learned from your link something I did not know, so thanks.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    It not only has a solid torsion beam rear axle, it has drum brakes* attached to it. Where did they get the parts? 1989?

    *The "S" Premium model does get solid rear disk brakes
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited October 2013
    The Elantra was the first compact car to take the plunge and show off some style. People bought them in droves. It had an "Atomic Guppy" look to it that I found very attractive. The senior pastor bought the 2011 Limited model in Spicy Red with heated seats front and rear. It was the car that prompted me to choose that color on my Optima. He then traded his Elantra for an Optima of his own after driving mine several times! True story! (I volunteer for a feed the needy program in the church office so he and I have become friends).

    If I was in the compact car market right now, I would look at Mazda 3 first, Elantra second, and Forte' third. I might also consider a Golf, but it would be a sin to not get the GTI model, and it would be over budget of $20,000 at the highest.

    Here is Mazda 3 info. It is a great looking, high tech, and has been reviewed very favorably.

    The new Corolla looks nice, but breaks no new ground in styling by blacking our the front bumper to evoke the big grill look.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,046
    edited October 2013
    I'm sorry the term "hot air" caused offense. It was meant as a pun about the one feature of nitrogen advertising was that it didn't expand to change the pressure at higher temperatures as much as 80% N2 normal air expands.

    I studied this advertising after it became a constant advertising tool here in the Midwest years back. I searched for N2 isolators, termed generators, and found large numbers of companies advertising how much money tire stores could make selling enriched N2 to the customer. The advertising became almost political in nature. Now there seem to be fewer manufacturers advertising.

    But I found (and haven't come up with link) that the N2 use started with truck tires where it helps with truck tires where the casings are retreaded. The liner of the tires allow some O2 to permeate from the inside; using N2 enrichment helped slow that deterioration over 100,000s of miles and years of life on the carcass that is retreaded. Of course there is O2 and O3 attacking from the outside of the casing.

    However, most auto tires are not retreaded and many do not stay on a car for lots of years. Also the quality of the inner liner of tires can slow the permeation of both molecules. More a problem is the outside attack from O2 and O3 and the sun. CR did a study years back where they put tires on rims and stored them, checking for leakage loss. The Michelin X-One was the lowest. I had X-Ones at the time. I suspect the quality of the inner tire lining and the quality preparation of the rim seal area on your tires, and on the Michelins I always buy, has more to do with less replacement air adjustment needed at steady ambient temperatures than with the N2 vs O2 presence.

    One source currently suggests and any real difference in permeability loss with normal air is far within the regular tire pressure checks and touch ups people should make. My opinion is that when N2 is used to reinflate the tires at a tire store, they aren't getting the 95% maximum purity of N2 from the generator into their tire. There is air inside the tire on the rim at initial installation that lowers the end percentage. Also refills at home or other locations usually find regular air sources without N2 being enriched up to perhaps 95%. One reading source
    Another source for reading

    The real interesting value I see from this is water vapor. It has a higher coefficient of thermal expansion than N2 or O2 but quite a bit. Small home/handheld compressors don't have driers on them to reduce the moisture in the air. I do not know if quick market/gas station pay machines have that or not. The water vapor is credited with causing some corrosion like roughening on the bead seats that can cause leakage as the tire squirms. I have a tire that seems to have that problem.

    And I have had N2 put into my tires. The particular store I visit uses it but doesn't make an advertising deal of it. The manager asked if I wanted it done when in for a regular rebalance and rotate .

    I believe one of my links addresses the uses of N2 in airplane tires and racing, e.g., where the likelihood of a burning tire's gases being explosively released to add O2 to an existing fire for a short time is a safety factor.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    I just wanted you to know what actually happened so you can take proper action next time. Plus I'm just a stickler for details.
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    edited October 2013
    Very thorough. I admit that three out of the four sets of tires I have had experience with are Michelin. Two mounted by Costco and the other Acura. The other brand is BF Goodrich mounted by Costco. So it may be a huge coincidence of proper mounting and good tires. All I can relate in this forum is my personal experience. After having such good experience with four sets of tires filled with N2 and not appreciating having to top off with air all the time in Chicago winters, I'll stick with the N2 until such time as I have an adverse experience with it. It hasn't cost me a dime. I told my 89 year old father about it and he had it put in his tires down in Texas about a year ago as his next door neighbor works for a dealership and put it in for free for him. He doesn't check religiously(he's 89!) but says he hasn't had to add any air since putting in the N2 and he usually needed air a couple of time a year before this. Could still be coincidence but I'll stick with what is working for me.

    I realize that some of the claims out there are just plain stupid when it comes to filling your tires with N2 and I never thought it would change the ride or give be better gas mileage. I simply appreciate the fact that I don't have to add air to my tires anywhere near as often as I used to. Here's a down to earth article from a source that has no vested interest in the "air" industry.

    Here's an excerpt from an article published by Mobil Oil Co.

    "Nitrogen Benefits
    What’s the big benefit? [omitted; see footnote Page 2*] Michelin Tire Manual points out that a tire inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure three times slower compared to one inflated with compressed air. Ingersoll Rand goes further: “diffusion out of the tire sidewall is 30 to 40 percent slower than Oxygen. That’s why a Nitrogen-filled tire maintains pressure longer.” For cars with (expensive) custom wheels, an even bigger benefit could be the fact Nitrogen prevents oxidation (due to the lack of water). Oxidation leads to tread separation, but it also leads to corrosion of the rim. Don’t believe it? Forget to drain an air compressor after a few days of use and you’ll see just how much water is found in good fashioned compressed air."

    I guess we've hijacked this thread more than we should so we can agree to disagree with the knowledge that there are pros and cons on both sides. But I will stick with my personal experience and leave the scholarly research to others.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,250
    If the nitrogen you put in your tires is free, then I fail to see any issue with using it. There doesn't seem to be any reason why it would be bad for your tires, so I can't see any argument that makes sense.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    Advice on things to look for? Yes. Speed limit signs!! It's quite fast.

    Also, if you buy it make sure they give you both sets of floor mats AND the trunk mat. You should have cloth and rubber floor mats for free.

    Furthermore, make sure a spare tire is included.

    Lastly, do not let the sales guy go with you on the test drive. Drive it like you normally do without being pressured. If it takes 2 hours to decide or 12 hours, that is your prerogative, screw their convenience or policy if they want you to plunck down 27 to 30 k.

    Lastly....enjoy yourself, and take some pictures!
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    Yeah...I know. I like you anyway though. :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    The only downside is having to take it back to the tire shop if you do need to add some. Since I do my own tire rotations that would be an extra trip for me. And I thought most places charge extra for it up front.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I think it is time for an unscheduled service appointment. My car is making an irritating noise that sounds like it is coming from under the back of the car.

    After I got out and verified that it wasn't a pedestrian moaning under the car, (since I do not have a backup camera), but alas I think it is the fuel pump. It is dying. Noise is coming from the gas tank. The car isn't performing any different, and I would very much like to keep it that way.

    Now I have to go and receive Fairfax Kia "service". Pray for me. Pray hard. :cry:
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    It's difficult when your "baby" is in pain...

    Nationwide Insurance commercial :)
  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 461
    The stripes are gone. Much better now. My wife thinks I think about these things too much.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited October 2013
    LOL. Now you can relax....until the next project comes to your attention. The first thing I did was tint the windows and order the factory lip spoiler.

    I added the mud guards, and I recommend Lamin-X fog light protectors. They are a clear (or tinted) vinyl cover to prevent stone chips. $18, and custom cut for your car. They have a sticky backing and install in seconds.

    Lastly I added a small Infinity Powered sub-woofer that only takes up 1 cubic foot of trunk space, and it really fills in the bass without booming or waking the neighborhood. It's called a Basslink. $250.
  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 461
    Got lip spoiler (Sport) and mud flaps, trunk mat, wheel locks, and window tint already on from the dealer. The fog light protectors seem like a good idea, we've broken one (not bothered to repair yet) on our Yukon.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    edited October 2013
    Then I bow to you good sir. Enjoy your car. The problem sometimes with a cracked fog light is water seeps in and ruins the whole assembly. I have blue tinted ones on my car...they come in yellow, smoke, light smoke, and clear. There is a 10% coupon code. It is a creative enigma : 10off

    Post some pics! I want a look-see.
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