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Midsize Sedans 2.0



  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 221
    I drive between Daytona and Orlando on a regular basis and have seen two Mazda 6s this year - one red and one white. (FWIW - I think they are the sharpest looking of the midsize sedans on the outside, but once you open the door the party is over.) I have seen more Ferraris, more Lambos, and more Audi 8s than I have seen Mazda 6s. I'm beginning to wonder if m6user is not only a mazda salesman, but if he's related to akirby the Hyundai salesman.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    edited October 2013
    I have seen more Ferraris, more Lambos, and more Audi 8s than I have seen Mazda 6s. I'm beginning to wonder if m6user is not only a mazda salesman, but if he's related to akirby the Hyundai salesman.

    First, I think it's kinda cool to drive something you don't see all the time on the road, e.g. the Camcordfumaltima. One of the cars in my stable is a 2004 Elantra GT hatchback. I don't see many of those on the road, either, despite their being made (for that generation) for six years. It doesn't bother me at all. I don't see too many Kia Rio5 hatches either... no problem there either.

    Second, I think you meant to say "akirby the Ford salesman." ;)
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 221
    edited October 2013
    We are shopping for a new car. Our thoughts so far - just ours - not looking to trash anyone or be trashed by anyone. Looked at the mazda 6 - beautiful until you open the door. Camry - cheap interior, but ruled it out due to the partial offset crash test failure. Accord - nice, but they have Honda transmissions in them and I know better than to go that route (had 3 replacements in our 2000 accord in less than 90k miles) and know the history of Honda's auto transmissions (also read many complaints about the new cvt and wind noise). Fusion - overpriced for what it is and didn't think much of the design and disliked the interior even more. We have been thinking of expanding our search and were thinking Taurus - until we saw five of the worst ten cars rated by consumer reports were fords. Haven't looked at the Avalon, but believe it's on the same platform as the camry and although not tested in the partial offset crash test, we feel there is no reason to think it any different from the camry. Would not consider a GM or chrylser. Tried the Altima, but it constantly lugged (like the complaints on the accord) and the airbag light came on indicating no airbag for the passenger in each of the three that we drove. Liked the optima and sonata, but the front passenger seat is too low (lower than other cars IIRC). May look at the genesis sedan, but think we'll wait for the new ?2015? before making a decision. No decision yet, but in no hurry.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    You didn't mention some other mid-sized cars, e.g. Passat (especially nice with the TDI), Legacy (CR's most reliable mid-sized car, plus AWD). But based on your remarks above, likely none of those would satisfy you either.

    Maybe your best bet is to learn how to drive a stick and get an Accord LX or Sport with the 6MT. As you may know, Honda makes one of the best manual transmissions in the business.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614
    How about a review of your impressions of your car?
    I want to take advantage of a rare opportunity of an owner of a new 6 for us. ;)
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    No, not even close. I'm just retired military who happens to stick up for Mazda once in awhile. You know, stick up for the little guy sort of thing. I've defended Camry too on this forum in times past even though I've never owned one. Just had lots of friends and relatives that have and loved them. They are certainly not my cup of tea but for many people they are perfect.

    It seems whenever anybody is actually faced with facts and reality they are quick to accuse someone of having a secret agenda like "oh, he must be a XXX salesman". How childish is that. I like Mazdas but I also own a Honda product and a Toyota product.
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 221
    Your posts make it seem like you are a salesman or a big fan. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but that was not the intent.

    @backy - I owned two VWs. The only thing worse than the first one was the second one. I think they should come with a compass that points to the nearest repair shop. I don't need a strike three on that. I actually like the subarus, but I live in Florida and the AWD would be useless to me. And on the manual tranny - wife would have no interest in one and from what I've read Honda's manual trannys, although smooth shifting, seem to have their share of problems too - particularly 3rd gear for some reason.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    OK, here's your ideal solution then: get a Sonata or Optima (your choice), and get a custom e.g. Recaro seat to replace the too-low OEM passenger seat, so it can be adjusted higher. Heck, get one for the driver while you're at it, too. Would cost a lot less than going upmarket with something like the Genesis.

    You're welcome. :)
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666
    Not a salesman, just a loyal and knowledgable Ford owner trying to dispel myths and lies.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    I think you meant to direct this to wayne21, he's the one who called you a "salesman".
  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,952
    Believe me, you did not hurt my feelings but you should be sorry for accusing people when you have no clue. There are a lot of people that post here that are big fans of certain brands. Next time just ask...don't accuse.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    The avalon is on a different platform than the Camry...doesn't look like it's been tested against the "small overlap front" yet.

    Why not the Impala...never driven or even sat it but from appearances it looks impressive.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,413
    Me too. One of the reasons I love my 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH is that thy are extremely rare cars. My wife's Pilot & my 328xi are all over the place.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,426
    Teach your wife to drive a stick. ;)

    Honda MT's don't have 3rd gear problems - where did that come from. Anecdotal, but I have an Integra with 232,000 miles and an Accord with 168,000 miles. Both transmissions are fine. Of course the 2013 is also fine, but it only has 10,000 miles.

    Also the EX has a stick as well, not just the sport and LX.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345
    Tried the Altima, but it constantly lugged (like the complaints on the accord) and the airbag light came on indicating no airbag for the passenger in each of the three that we drove.

    While this might be true, ya gotta admit it sounds like an exaggeration for potential effect.

    Or maybe ya better get the better half back on a little more groceries for awhile.. ;)
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,824
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  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 221
    edited October 2013
    When I experience a problem and read on the internet that others are having the same problem I don't think of it as an exaggeration for potential effect. I see it as being prudent to avoid a known. As to the wife, the most she ever weighed was 127 lbs and that was the at the peak of her pregnancy 30 years ago.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    127 and's what my 10 year old weighs...and that's average for his football team :)
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    I agree that the Mazda 3 will be the volume seller, and I know the CX-5 is doing quite well. I don't think that Mazda engineered the new 6 from the ground up to not make a profit though. It is crucial that all three vehicles sell well for Mazda to be stable. I want to see Mazda to continue to build great cars and to resist being bought out by competitors.
  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179
    A full six of the top ten cars sold in America are mid-size sedans. Another 2 are in the top 20. That is a whopping 40%! My Optima is in 13th, and even the Chrysler 200 made the list. It is unfortunate that the Mazda 6, Passat, and Avenger did not make the list. (well not so much the Avenger). I hope Chrysler has a more competitive mid-size in the pipeline. l
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