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  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 461

    I will not be upset if Accord stays in 2nd place. It appears from there to be the "smart" choice, not the "obvious" choice, know what I mean?

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,424
    edited January 6

    Crky,

    Toyota Camry has been at the top or fought for it every year since the 80's. A great run along with honda. I owned 2 Camry's when the kids were young and loved them. They have been slipping the past couple of years. The Accords have had trany problems a few years back and are well known for there non quite ride, very noisy a/c heater units. I guess the good outweighs some of the bad in these vehicles.

    My 2013 Accord Exl V-6 is so much better than any accord I owned. Alot quieter than past models, very fast, good gas mileage. My only problem with this vehicle is the radio. Music sounds like its comming out of a tin can. Alpine stereo with foster speakers. Honda did a bad job of this along with the parking brake placed right in the middle of the console. Honda's top of the line model should have a upscale radio system in it and not the garbage they have in there now.

    I'm sure toyota will be back soon with another all around great camry.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • b25nutb25nut Templeton, CAPosts: 199

    After our test drive of the 2014 Accord Hybrid, my wife is now insisting that her next car have the equivalent of Honda's Lane Watch, which is the camera in the right side mirror. It is really nice and leaves no doubt it is safe to change lanes. I just hope Ford adopts it so I can steer her to the 2016 Lincoln MKC Hybrid (which I hope they make).

  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,680

    Dec. 2013 and yearly midsize sales Accord 32,321; 366,678 Camry 29,964; 408,484
    Altima 24,816; 320,723 Fusion 24,408 ; 295,280 Malibu 15,493 ; 200,594 Sonata 14,479; 203,648 Optima 9,474; 155,893 Passat 9,254 ; 109,652
    200 5,652 ; 122,480
    Avenger 4,950 ; 93,842 Mazda6 4,365; 33,756

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,626

    I know with my '06 Civic, I swapped out the speakers very early on while trying to improve the sound quality. After that, and I went with very good Boston Scientific ones, I added tweeters which didn't come on the LX model. Still not satisfied, I asked my stereo guy what is the next step here. He said either swap out the head unit or get an amp. Since I didn't want to mess with the dash, I wanted to keep the oem head unit, I added an amp, MXR or something like that and it did the trick. Amazing sound and power so I was a happy camper for years to follow. Last month, I decided to have the amp removed to possibly use in my new vehicle. We discussed also taking the speakers but they were the wrong size and the cost was just too much so I left them in the vehicle when traded. The amp was installed in my Tuscon and it does help with the power and loudness but...the sound quality is just not what I am used to. The new store is supposed to be getting a new line of primo speakers in sometime this month that the owner/installer thinks would be just perfect for what I want to achieve. So, right now, I am still deciding my next move here. He said it won't be cheap and if I wanted to spend less then replacing the head unit might be the way to go but I like that it has the bluetooth integration and I hate to screw up my factory warranty. So the logical option here is to go in and listen to the speakers I could purchase and go from there. I have a price point in my mind that I won't go above so I will have to hear the quality of sound and decide after that. If the quality is that good, I might just have to expand the budget a bit to get exactly what I want...I want to be happy hear as I always have the music going. But there is a price point that I will not go above here so first, I need to see what is available. Figure I'll go in at months end and see...he will need the vehicle for most of the day again so I have to get there early and get driven home and then picked up later in the day. This will also mean a missed day of work so all must be planned out according to my schedule as he said he's pretty flexible on this. Time will tell here but one thing I know...I need to improve the sound quality as I have the power part of the equation solved. now, onto the sound quality!

    The Sandman :) B)

    2014 Hyundai Tuscon SE/2005 Mazda 3s/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS/2009 Nissan Versa SL hatch

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,614

    @brian125, I wonder if the Accord uses the same speakers for audio and active noise control?

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666

    @b25nut said: After our test drive of the 2014 Accord Hybrid, my wife is now insisting that her next car have the equivalent of Honda's Lane Watch, which is the camera in the right side mirror. It is really nice and leaves no doubt it is safe to change lanes. I just hope Ford adopts it so I can steer her to the 2016 Lincoln MKC Hybrid (which I hope they make).

    Ford already offers BLIS which gives you an orange light in the side mirror when traffic is present. A camera seems like overkill and unnecessary.

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345

    @akirby said: Ford already offers BLIS which gives you an orange light in the side mirror when traffic is present. A camera seems like overkill and unnecessary.

    Not sure how you can suggest that a light is better than a camera. One gives you perspective, the other.. none at all..plus so many other variables..The light could be misconstrued as a sun reflection, or a piece of ice or snow or salt spray could be right where that light is etc etc..

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416

    I could see a problem with this feature as well. If you are relying solely on the camera, then you aren't looking at the rear view mirror, and you may change lanes at the same time as the car behind you and you'll never see them in time. I don't think this device promotes 360 awareness, in the same way that you can easily still run over someone or something while glued to a rear-view camera. (such as a pedestrian walking across the back of your car). Trying walking down the street while holding a camera to your eye, to give you an exaggerated example of what I mean.

    @crkyolfrt said: Not sure how you can suggest that a light is better than a camera. One gives you perspective, the other.. none at all..plus so many other variables..The light could be misconstrued as a sun reflection, or a piece of ice or snow or salt spray could be right where that light is etc etc..

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  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345

    @MrShift@Edmunds said: I could see a problem with this feature as well. If you are relying solely on the camera, then you aren't looking at the rear view mirror, and you may change lanes at the same time as the car behind you and you'll never see them in time. I don't think this device promotes 360 awareness, in the same way that you can easily still run over someone or something while glued to a rear-view camera. (such as a pedestrian walking across the back of your car). Trying walking down the street while holding a camera to your eye, to give you an exaggerated example of what I mean.

    I think it shows more than one lane, no? Plus I think there are audible nannies that go with it.. Anyway, as you know, I'm not a big fan of many of these nannies..too much computer processing at work, and we all know how a computer can crash on ya at the worst time. But I do like the idea of a backup camera that can show (and warn) of a little kid or pet directly behind you.

    And aside from computer crashes..there is of course the potential complacency issues.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666

    You have to look at and interpret what you see in the camera while with the light (it's a pencil eraser sized dot that doesn't get confused with ice or a reflection) it's a simple quick glance or you see it with your peripheral vision.

  • suydamsuydam Posts: 924

    I really love the camera and found it particularly helpful on busy freeways. You don't stop using the rear view mirror altogether by the way. I'm sure more vehicles will start adopting it.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666

    It's still faster and easier to check for an orange light than it is to focus on a small camera picture. Cameras are great for backing up but it doesn't make a lot of sense for blind spot detection where all you need is a go/no go indication.

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663

    @akirby said: It's still faster and easier to check for an orange light than it is to focus on a small camera picture. Cameras are great for backing up but it doesn't make a lot of sense for blind spot detection where all you need is a go/no go indication.

    I just look in the mirror and turn my head...

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,179

    Dreadful morning.

    1) It was 4 degrees this morning in a city that is not used to it. (first time in 20 years that it was this low). I noticed the electronics in the car were very slow to respond. Transmission was slow to shift until warm up, and the EPS stuck a little (known Optima EPS issue).

    2) My window washer fluid would not spray. It is frozen in the lines right at the nozzles. They do cold weather testing on these cars...don't they??? 3) I found a couple big scrapes in the paint where I tried to scrape ice off the car. Nice job bone head. I am ordering an electric buffer on E-Bay right now.

    4) Had a vet appointment for the new family cat. He went nuts in the carrier, escaped from it; then climbed all over me with his claws while I was driving. For 20 miles. On the highway with no shoulder-(converted to an HOV lane during rush hour(s). Awful.

    5) Still have to go back and pick up the cat during evening rush. This time I am bringing a bigger carrier so he can't get out and claw me to death while driving.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,666

    What could the mfr do to prevent washer nozzles from freezing in 4 degree weather? I don't get it.

  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 1,744
    edited January 7

    Well, some cars have heated washer nozzles. With all the geegaws H-K loads up their vehicles with, many of which seem rather useless, I would have thought this might actually be a useful addition.

    In truth, if you had to scrape ice off the car, the washers probably have ice on the outside of them too and that may be what is keeping them from working properly. If it was filled it with proper washer fluid, that doesn't freeze until -35 or so, so it's unlikely that it is what is frozen. However, some places use a summer "bug wash" fluid that does freeze. Useless stuff.

    Too bad about the cat. I have several, and they all hate going to the vet and being put in carriers. I have one cat in particular who is very adept at breaking out of the carriers. He figured out how to defeat the zipper that closes the soft-sided carrier, and also somehow gets the door open on one of my hard shell carriers. I now put him in a dog-sized carrier which seems to be too much for him. However, in the past when he escaped while in the car he did a number on the leather upholstery with his claws as he was climbing out of the carrier. No serious damage but you could see it if you knew where to look. I grew up with cats and most of them hated the car.

    2011 Buick Regal Turbo, 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Holiday Coupe

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345

    @cski said: Dreadful morning.

    Sorry to hear of your tough start today..but hey..better the kitty claw you than your interior, lol

    As for the freezing nozzles...this isn't likely to be a design defect. I find this happens if I haven't squirted recently. The sun evaporates the alcohol that is nearest the exit. The one that freezes more often I find is my rear hatch washer cuz it gets used even less. I have the habit now to squirt at least once a week. Since they are always black, they attract even more heat. The cure is to do a squirt more often to bring fresher fluid up to the nozzles. Now if you have had the same fluid in there all summer, consider syphoning out and using next summer and putting new stuff in that will have more alcohol in it. It also evaporates through that little vent hole in the fill cap.

    You might get lucky and the freeze may be right at the nozzle and you can warm it enough between your fingers if it protrudes enough. Or get a cup of hot water..

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,416

    @suydam said: I really love the camera and found it particularly helpful on busy freeways. You don't stop using the rear view mirror altogether by the way. I'm sure more vehicles will start adopting it.

    I can't help thinking that camera is an overkill solution---like cutting butter with a chainsaw. it DOES do the job, but.......:)

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  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,426

    @akirby said: It's still faster and easier to check for an orange light than it is to focus on a small camera picture. Cameras are great for backing up but it doesn't make a lot of sense for blind spot detection where all you need is a go/no go indication.

    Actually the picture is quite large and takes no longer to focus on and interpret than looking in the rear view mirror on turning around. The field of vision is extremely wide and the camera is very good in low light conditions making vehicles very easy to see that may only look like shadows otherwise.

    An excellent tool that adds to (but does not replace) your other mirrors etc.

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