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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665

    You have to compare the vehicle to the lines on the screen. That takes at least a second to focus on the screen and see the vehicle and the lines. You can glance at the side mirror and see an orange dot in milliseconds. But again that's not the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that it doesn't work on the left side at all.

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345

    @akirby said: You have to compare the vehicle to the lines on the screen. That takes at least a second to focus on the screen and see the vehicle and the lines. You can glance at the side mirror and see an orange dot in milliseconds. But again that's not the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that it doesn't work on the left side at all.

    No! The BIGGEST issue is the expectation of an orange dot saying it is ok, when in fact if there is something IN FRONT of the orange dot, then you CAN'T SEE IT!! I'm sure I'm not the only one here noticing that you keep ignoring addressing this valid point.

    I know, I know...Ford can do NO wrong. They are the be-all-end-all to everything 4 wheels..

    (not)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,613

    My wife's Escape has BLIS, which is useful, but I wish the right side prompt(orange light) was more obvious. I also have experience with Lane Watch. Lane Watch takes over the top center screen and gives you a nice picture, but it takes your eyes away from everything else. If you need to know exactly what is to your right, Lane Watch give you the most information. If you just want to know something is to your right BLIS works for that. BLIS also prompts you the same way on the left.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665

    My mirrors have never ever been blocked by anything. And anything that could block your mirror could just as easily block the LW camera too. And it has nothing to do with Ford or Honda - just common sense.

  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,345

    @akirby said: My mirrors have never ever been blocked by anything. And anything that could block your mirror could just as easily block the LW camera too. And it has nothing to do with Ford or Honda - just common sense.

    Aren't some of these lane watch cameras actually 'inside' the car now? Around the central rear view mirror it sell? The idea being that a camera at the rear restricts peripheral up the sides the car. Surely cameras that are place on the outside of the vehicle should have some means to squirt clear their lenses. Not everyone lives in CA and FL.

    But there is another dynamic to obstructions in front of a camera lens, vs an LED light bulb. You can take some dirt, that is almost covering all of that pencil sized light, and take the same debris covering a lens. If there is basically 'any' part of the lens with a bit of view, you still get a muddy picture. Not so with a tiny light that's 4 to 5' away.

    And you still didn't address these lights flashing on and off all the time on both sides of the car when you are simply in heavy multilane traffic with no intention of changing lanes. Can they be turned off? Unlikely. If they are bright enough to draw attention in the daytime, they must be damn distracting at night even if they have a dim feature built in to the lighting circuit.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,139

    the cameras for the side are in the mirrors. the one up by the inside rear view mirror is for forward looking.

    and none of those cameras clean themselves. and once they get some grime on them, the view is terrible. especially if there is any rain. At least based on my back up camera in the Acura!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • brian125brian125 New york / S.C. myrtle beachPosts: 2,405
    edited January 9

    Fords light system is a nice feature on both sides . you stll have to turn your head plus you cant see anything pre turning your head. With hondas side camera if you look at the mirror first you see the right side of the car and the lane off to the side and behind the vehicle. the right side guide is a homerun in my 47 years of driven. i drove from NY to Boston with the lane watch on half the trip. This new system is by far one of the best new features to see whats near and around you at all times. Without turning your head.

    I think the scary thing about the right side lane watch is people may get so comfortable not turning there head and just using the mirror as there turning guide.

    I have the pleasure of using this lane watch for the past 9 months. If you have the opportunity to get this feature in one of your vehicles you wont be disappointed.

    2013 Genesis 5.0 R-spec, 2013 Accord EXL V-6, 2012 BMW x-5, 2012 ML350

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665

    It's not distracting at all even in heavy traffic. And my mirrors are never obstructed. The only real complaint i have with LW is that it doesn't work on both sides of the vehicle. And I use BLIS on the left side just as much as I use it on the right side.

  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 460
    edited January 9

    Well. Fascinating as the blind spot debate has been, let me throw out something new. Just saw the press release for the Passat Sport. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/09/2014-vw-passat-sport-26475-pricing

    Let's discuss Accord Sport vs Passat Sport. My observations:

    -Accord is almost $3K cheaper.

    -Passat has leather(ette?) to Accord's cloth (if leatherette, I'd prefer cloth, and the Sport's cloth is an upgrade from the LX/EX cloth (which was also upgraded for MY 2014 although I haven't seen it in person yet)).

    -Passat 170 hp, 184 lb/ft. Accord 189 hp, 182 lb/ft.

    -Accord manual is 6-speeds to Passat's 5-spd, and universally considered among the best MT available.

    -Accord Sport does have a few extra hp vs LX/EX, due to upgraded exhaust. And it has a tightened suspension. While certainly no "sports car", it's more deserving of the Sport appelation than the Passat which appears to be entirely cosmetic touches.

    -Both are sadly lacking in color choices (gray, white, or silver for Passat SPort, whereas Accord Sport can be any color unless you want the MT, in which case it's either gray or black.)

    -IMHO, the Passat needed that 250 hp they teased to be compelling at this price. Or else, the Accord Sport is just a super bargain.

    What other features and specs has the Passat to justify its premium?

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,139

    It's German?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • ahightowerahightower DFWPosts: 460

    @stickguy said: It's German?

    I count that in the Accord's favor...

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,174

    @akirby said: You don't get desensitized - it's not distracting. Besides all the other points you can't argue with the fact that Lane Watch only works on one side of the vehicle. It doesn't work at all on the left side and I change lanes to my left just as much as to my right.

    Yes, but the car is in the way when looking to the right. Looking left I/you/we have no blind spot.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,174

    @akirby said: So how does the mfr control whether the alcohol evaporates from the end of the nozzles? Or whether you're using washer fluid with antifreeze at all? If the car doesn't have heated washers then it's up to you to make sure they don't freeze, not the mfr.

    It's winter, and the dealer topped off my windshield washer fluid using fluid provided by Kia. I have never used my own fluid, since I take the car in for oil changes and inspection every three months.

    I bet the Mercedes S class has heated washer nozzles, but hey...at least I don't have a clown face dash to look at.

    LOL.

  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665

    @cski said: Yes, but the car is in the way when looking to the right. Looking left I/you/we have no blind spot.

    Of course you have a blind spot on the left side. There are blind spots on both sides of the vehicle. If you adjust your mirrors properly you can eliminate the blind spot. And when you turn your head and look you can see if there is a car in the blind spot on either side - which I still do even with BLIS and with having my mirrors adjusted properly. These aids are just extra insurance - not a substitute.

  • cskicski West Springfield, VAPosts: 1,174
    edited January 10

    **@ahightower said: Well. Fascinating as the blind spot debate has been, let me throw out something new. Just saw the press release for the Passat Sport. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/09/2014-vw-passat-sport-26475-pricing

    Let's discuss Accord Sport vs Passat Sport. My observations:

    -Accord is almost $3K cheaper.

    -Passat has leather(ette?) to Accord's cloth (if leatherette, I'd prefer cloth, and the Sport's cloth is an upgrade from the LX/EX cloth (which was also upgraded for MY 2014 although I haven't seen it in person yet)).

    -Passat 170 hp, 184 lb/ft. Accord 189 hp, 182 lb/ft.

    -Accord manual is 6-speeds to Passat's 5-spd, and universally considered among the best MT available.

    -Accord Sport does have a few extra hp vs LX/EX, due to upgraded exhaust. And it has a tightened suspension. While certainly no "sports car", it's more deserving of the Sport appelation than the Passat which appears to be entirely cosmetic touches.

    -Both are sadly lacking in color choices (gray, white, or silver for Passat SPort, whereas Accord Sport can be any color unless you want the MT, in which case it's either gray or black.)

    -IMHO, the Passat needed that 250 hp they teased to be compelling at this price. Or else, the Accord Sport is just a super bargain.

    What other features and specs has the Passat to justify its premium? ** Are you sure you don't want to talk about blind spots more? ;)

    The Accord Sport is the best car value on the market, period. It is not just me that thinks that. Car and Drivers' ten best issue did as well. You may want to contemplate the Mazda 6 Touring. as well, which also made the 10 best list. The 6 is a VERY competitive car, with competitive specs, and (marginally) better handling than either the Accord and the Passat. Really the Accord is the bargain here though. I would love to have a blue one with the M/T if you are listening Honda!!

    The Passat still looks like a bread box, but I have to admit that the sport model looks nice and more like the 3.6 SEL. The 1.8 turbo will leave you wanting in the power department however. Also, it offers only 5 manual cogs vs the 6-speeds in the Asian cars. The Passat is an older (comparatively) design than either of the others. 170 hp is just not enough for a car this size. Driving in this area, I would have to keep the revs up too much, which kills MPG.

    For example, I really like the smooth power delivery in my 2.4 liter (Optima EX) and with the 6 speed auto, and 200 hp is just right for a 3200 lb car.

  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,662

    @cski said: For example, I really like the smooth power delivery in my 2.4 liter (Optima EX) and with the 6 speed auto, and 200 hp is just right for a 3200 lb car.

    I think the Passat Sport "looks" the best. Those 19" wheels certainly look expensive and probably contribute to the higher price. I think the blacked out roof and mirrors give it a very nice look overall.

    I'm probably the only one, but I don't care for the Accord design. It just looks like an old design to me. The Mazda 6 and Fusion are tops in design.

    I do however have issues with a "Sport" badge that does not include any sport upgrades. Lower springs...stiffer, a slight boost in the turbo would go a long way in legitimizing the badging. An APR chip would probably fix the engine side of the "sport"...if one were so inclined...

  • "Mazda6: Despite getting redesigned for the 2014 model year, a re-engineered Mazda6 is scheduled to arrive in late 2014 or early 2015 with a new interior and updated front fascia.

    Since the debut this year, the redesigned Mazda6's interior has been criticized by some as bland. Sources say the new interior will include new gauges, instrument clusters, materials, center stack design and seating surfaces, as well as a version of the connectivity and infotainment system in the upcoming Mazda3. The new interior's overall aesthetic will be similar to that of the 2014 Mazda3, but more refined to help the mid-sized sedan keep its place atop the hierarchy of Mazda's cars."

    Let's hope they dump that stupid leatherette (vinyl) seating material on the Touring model.

  • m6userm6user Posts: 2,950
    edited January 10

    @garythesnail Usually when adding quotes one references the source. Where did you read read this? I was at my Mazda dealer yesterday and they said pretty much nothing was changing on the 6 for the 2015 model year. I was just in for service and shooting the bull with the service manager so it wasn't some salesman trying to sell the 2014 model. But it wouldn't be the first time a dealer was just not up to speed on the latest and greatest. But if you're source is right and it doesn't arrive until early 2015, it would probably be a 2016 model. Tks.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,139
    edited January 10

    just read the autoblog preview on the passat sport, and it repeatedly said it came with a 6 speed manual.

    also, anyone know if that roof opens, or is it just some sort of fixed smoked glass?

    and maybe it is just me, but I can't stand those 19" wheels. Look very mis-proportioned to me. Like bad aftermarket "dubs".

    17" wheels would be more than big enough to me.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 221

    I find the BLIS / Lanewatch topics quite interesting. It makes me wonder how people managed to get from point A to point B all these years without them. I seem to have done so for 40 years of accident-free driving. It makes me wonder if the idea behind driverless cars is because the technology will be there to do it or if it is because people are too lazy to drive their own cars or if it will be because people are too dumb to drive.

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