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Honda Odyssey Brakes

printer2printer2 Posts: 7
At 7000 miles dealer found that original brake pads were of a batch that had this problem and replaced them. At a 12000 miles started to hear slight grinding noise off and on.
This weekend at 18000 noise was louder and more constant.
Had the ODY in to the dealer today. They could not hear the grinding and since the pads were replaced with the so called upgraded pads would not do any more.
Lost the use of the ODY for the day plus spent over a hour round trip this morning and evening to bring it to the dealer and then pick it up.
The noise is intermittent now.
Not a happy Honda owner.
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  • blackexv6blackexv6 Posts: 490
    Sorry to hear about your Ody. Our EXL/NAV/RES had the brake grinding issue but the replacement pads did the trick. When do you hear the griding? On a quick stop or down a steep hill?
  • printer2printer2 Posts: 7
    Grinding noise appears at different times , hard to medium hard stops mostly.
    Not sure if the "new" pads are any better or it is another part of the brake system. Have put 11000 miles on the new pads. Now have 18000 miles on this 06 ODY in 16 months.
  • sonofknudsonofknud Posts: 50
    Our brakes seem very soft in the 2007. Had in twice they keep saying I'm crazy.
  • float1322float1322 Posts: 9
    Same problem except LX. Please advise your latest status with dealer. Master cylinder was just replaced with same problem again. Thanx -Dan
  • float1322float1322 Posts: 9
    Any good advice appreciated. - Dan
  • bimmerangbimmerang Posts: 9
    I recently noticed, while driving, the parking brake indicator is on intermitently. I checked the fluid level and brake pads. They all look normal. What else can be wrong?
  • pkirangipkirangi Posts: 29
    Is it normal for a new Odyssey to show rust like color on the brake rotors?

    Thanks
    PHK
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,812
    Is it normal for a new Odyssey to show rust like color on the brake rotors?

    It's normal on every vehicle. The rotors gather surface rust from the morning dew and rain. As soon as you step on the brakes, the pads will rub it off.
  • cccompsoncccompson Posts: 2,388
    It sounds either like an electrical connection issue or the brake is not fully releasing. Do you engage the parking brake with any regularity?
  • pkirangipkirangi Posts: 29
    Thanks Robr2
  • gmp59gmp59 Posts: 1
    I have a 2007 Odyssey EX-L which has the same issue with soft brakes. The dealer has re-bled the brakes and replaced the master cylinder but this has not resolved it. They kept on saying this is expected until we compared with another Odyssey which had much firmer brakes.

    Has anybody had this problem and can you shed some light on how this was resolved.

    Thanks
    Gautam
  • smith806smith806 Posts: 3
    I had the same experience except on the second visit the service department contacted the engineers at Honda. After checking the already replaced master cylinder, they ran more tests and finally replaced the ABS Modulator. This seems to have solved the problem.
  • smith806smith806 Posts: 3
    I had the same experience. They replaced the master cylinder which did not help. At the second service call the service department called the engineers at Honda who suggested several tests. Finally, they replaced the ABS Modulator and this seems to have solved the problem. Good Luck.
  • rrbhokiesrrbhokies Posts: 108
    I have an 05 Odyssey. When you say "soft" brakes, are you referring to the fact that it feels like you have to press really hard on the brakes in order to get it to stop? If so, I've had that problem since day one and thought it was just the way it was. It just seems like at times that you have to really give a good firm pressure on the brakes and press them down really far before the van will come to a stop. I've gone past stop signs before because I wasn't applying enough pressure and the van didn't want to stop.

    If this is the same issue, I'll need to bring mine in to have it looked at. We have 31K on our van, so I'm hoping they'll consider fixing it given there appears to be a history of it. I assume there is no recall or TSB out on this?
  • smith806smith806 Posts: 3
    Exactly. The brakes were not responding correctly. I had to press harder to get braking action. Having had an Odyssey before I knew the brakes did not feel right. As far as I know there is no recall. No lights came on to indicate a problem with the brakes. Through the tests that were suggested by the Honda engineers, the service department was able to pinpoint the problem as the modulator.
  • exb0exb0 Posts: 539
    Oh, 07 brakes. I have a 07 EXL w/ 5.5K on it that was purchased in January. It’s my wife’s van so I noticed the soft brakes just recently. They were fine when I test drove the van before purchase. My wife was telling me that the brakes were fine and I am just used to my sporty car’s hard brakes.

    I took the van to the dealer anyway. The dealer “adjusted the brake pedal” and said it’s all good now. To be perfectly honest with you, that all that I expected from the dealer. The next morning I called Honda Customer Service and told them to send a factory rep to look at my van. Nobody calls me for a week, so I called Honda back and kicked some [non-permissible content removed]. They called me and try to pull this is “normal” on me. I would have none of that and they send over the District Service and Parts Manager to my dealer and scheduled an appointment with me. The DSPM looked at the van two days and on the third day the dealer called me and said that they are ordering some parts, however, I can’t drive the van until then because it is not safe. :surprise: I picked up the van last Friday. The receipt says that the brakes were going all the way down to the floor and they replaced the master cylinder and the ABS modulator. The brakes are still very soft, but they are stopping the van much better.

    The following day my wife takes the van to work, and comes back two minutes later saying that brakes are worse than ever, and she took my car. I live in the Washington DC area, so the next day I called NHTSA and asked them if I can bring the van to them to see what Honda considers to be normal functioning brakes. NHTSA told me that they don’t do this and gave me the phone number to a guy at some other federal government agency that tests cars for safety. The guy called me and said they haven’t tested the Odyssey sense 2001 :surprise:, however, Honda doesn’t usually have issues like this. He told me that the dealer probably forgot to bleed the brakes after they replaced the master cylinder and that I should drive a new Odyssey at a dealer and compare two vans.

    We are going to drive another van tomorrow. If the brakes in my van are softer than the new van, Honda is getting the “Last Chance” letter from a Lemon Law attorney on Monday.
  • drrocketdrrocket Posts: 67
    Based on my irate complaint and your message my dealership contacted Honda engineers who disavowed any brake issues being associated with the ABS modulator in an '07 Odyssey (I have an '07 Touring model). What year is your Odyssey? What is the name of your service department, and if you have the names of the Honda engineers involved, that would be great. My service department has been unable to replicate the problem (it's an intermittent problem) and deemed it within factory specs to have to stand on the brake pedal sometimes.

    Thanks for a prompt response; I'm taking the family on a road trip in a couple of weeks so I need the issue resolved before then.
  • drrocketdrrocket Posts: 67
    Gautum,

    Has your problem been resolved yet? I'm having the same problem with my '07 Touring brakes but neither my service department nor Honda engineering will acknowledge such a problem exists or has ever been dealt with on a 2007 Odyssey.
  • drrocketdrrocket Posts: 67
    To all the posters who are having, or have had, the Odyssey brake issue wherein an undue amount of pedal pressure is required to stop the vehicle, file a complaint with NHTSA so it will be documented and taken seriously:

    link title

    Honda is currently disavowing any knowledge of the existence of such an issue.
  • I took our 06 ody in this week due to grinding brakes at 23k miles. It had also been intermittent for a while,but it seems that honda was never able to solve my other intermittent problem (power steering?) so I wanted to wait until it was really a problem.
    They were going to resurface the rotors, but after trying, they just replaced them as well as the brake pads. They covered it all, and said it was a one-time "good faith" repair. I've never heard of honda doing anything in good faith, so I'm thinking there must be a bunch of us out there with this problem, but not enough for a recall? :(
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    My '07 Ody, purchased it September of 2006 has the same soft break problem and it is at the dealer now. In the beginning the problem were intermittent, but now it has got worse. The front breaks make noise (grinding) as well as being soft. I have two kids and I do not feel safe in this van. I will keep you guys posted on this matter. I think my next car will be a Toyota. I personally prefer the looks of a Honda. However, I would trade it for a Toyota if it makes me feel much safer for my family.
  • sonofknudsonofknud Posts: 50
    My brakes are dangerously soft again. I know I am not crazy had an 06 and it is night and day. Had to do an emergency stop last weekend on the 07 and the van was sloooow almost causing an accident. I am taking it in again for the 4th time and am ready to start lemon law research. They have had my van for a week and said it was unsafe to drive. They replaced an ABS modulator and it improve for a while and is bad again. Like the idea about complaining to the National transportation board to get these recalled. I will be looking into that tonight.
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    They replaced the front brake pads due to the grinding noise and there is a back order for the ABS Modulator. My van has been with the dealer close to a week already. I have been praying that the ABS Modulator will fix the mushy brake feel. Continue to pray and keeping my finger crossed....I am hoping to get it back in a couple of days.
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    Do you have any update on your test driving of the the new Honda Odyssey you would like to share with us? Or have you file a Lemon Law claim already? I would appreciate any comments or advice you might have because I am really concern regarding this issue. Thank you.
  • exb0exb0 Posts: 539
    Oh, the update. Yes, my wife test drove a new Odyssey and she told me that the brakes are much better on the new van. I have spoken to a lawyer, and he agreed to take the case. According to MD and VA Lemon Law, the manufacturer (not the dealer) gets only one attempt to fix brakes and steering problems, however, the manufacturer has to be notified in writing via a certified letter before the last attempt.

    The lawyer said that even though I did notify Honda before the second attempt, I didn’t do in writing. Therefore, the lawyer sent Honda a certified letter on my behave giving them the last chance to fix the problem. Honda received the letter on 7/13 but haven’t contacted me yet. The lawyer told me to give them 21 days to respond to the letter. The best part about it; this will cost me nothing in legal fees. At least in VA, if the lawyer wins the case Honda is responsible for all legal fees, if the lawyer loses, he doesn’t get paid.

    sonofknud, do not take your van in for the fourth time until you send Honda a certified “last chance” letter. Based on what I understand about the Lemon Laws, it doesn’t matter how many attempts they had to fix the problem, you can’t start the Lemon Law proceedings until the manufacturer gets the “last chance” letter to fix the problem.
  • sonofknudsonofknud Posts: 50
    Thanks for the information and suggestion. I was reading that MN seems to be the same way, the information I found was that the lawyer sounded free. I did contact Honda and had a case opened with them. Anyway, I did make an appointment for tomorrow already. I will need to contact a lawyer to see what the law says for MN. By the way I have driven other 07 Odyssey and the brakes on those were soft but not as soft as mine get the 06 brakes were not soft at all. That was a month or so ago so hopefully Honda is addressing the softness. Interest that the ABS Modulator is in back log. I am guessing that part has a defect that we keep hitting and they have pulled the parts or keep going through them like popcorn.
  • sonofknudsonofknud Posts: 50
    Forgot to mention I did file a report with the NHTSA like someone recommended. Here is the web site: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ to get started.
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    Thank you for your inputs. I will be getting my van back today. Yes, the ABS Modulator was on back order and the dealer did not receive it until yesterday through FedEX, I think. The moment of truth will be today after work. I am hoping it will be fixed.
  • fx35awdfx35awd Posts: 218
    After the Honda dealer replaced the ABS Modulator and bled my brakes system my brakes still feel soft. It did stop better than before, but I don't know for how long.
  • float1322float1322 Posts: 9
    We are both in the same boat now except my brakes are now regressing to the original inconsistent -fading- low pedal- too soft problem. I am starting to think about a "letter" at this point.
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