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Honda Odyssey Brakes

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  • smilysmily Posts: 9
    I took my wife's 2007 Odyssey to a nearby dealer and had them fixsed the soft brake. I brought a copy of SB so that service manager couldn't say "it is typical Honda brake!" Dealer replaced the ABS modulator assembly and sure enough now the brake works much better. I still believe Toyota Sienna's brake is better than Odyssey's. Honda's brake just doesn't have enough power to stop the heavy body. Anyway, the pedal feeling is much better for sure. Thanks to Edmund Forum.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Nowadays we as consumers have to tell the ASE or AES trained how to fix car, what a joke.
  • hob1hob1 Posts: 4
    Had an email and a discussion with an engineer from NHTSA who is investigating the soft brakes on the Honda Odyssey. I had submitted a report back in July when Honda told me that my soft squishy brakes on my new vehicle were normal (2008 EXL). I had the TSB performed in mid-january and I was very happy with the results. Everything still feels very normal 2 months later...so I am very happy with the repair. Just thought that i would bring everyone up to date. I gave the engineer a copy of the TSB and the link to this site and the Odyforum so that he can see the concerns of others. Also will send him a copy my repair information.

    If you are having this problem I would recommend the TSB, but also reporting it to NHTSA. This is a safety issue and should be addressed quickly by Honda.
  • Supposedly I had the module replaced last december UNDER THE SAME TSB!! It was better but still not like it shoul be. The problem is now comming back!! I wonder if they replaced it with the TSB part???? Only 3 months of usage?? How would I know?? What will this NHTSA do?? This is crazy!!
  • sonofknudsonofknud Posts: 50
    If it is getting worse keep bringing it back in to the dealer. They replaced my ABS module at least 3 times and the did not fix the issue. In the end the lemon law might work in your favor (it was a pain but it worked). You might want to educate yourself on the lemon law for your state.
  • My rotors were turned down even though it may not have been needed. Replaced the original brake pads with the Akebono Ceramics. No more noise. My wife is happy that no one stares at her when she is applying brakes at low speed. The brake pads that were removed had over 60,000 miles and they had plenty more pad. Very likely they could have lasted have another 40,000 miles. However, those super hard brake pads sounded like they were grinding up the rotors. They had to go.
  • What is the number for the SB relating to the soft brake and ABS on the 2007 Honda Odyssey? I've found three SB's for the 2007, but none seems to relate to brakes.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Check post no. 160
  • exb0exb0 Posts: 539
    The mushy, soft brakes problem still exists in the 09 model year.

    On Saturday, we drove 50 miles to purchase the 09 EXL. Before we signed the documents, I took the van for a test drive. Stepped on the brake pedal and it was nice and firm. Started the van, and pedal went down to within one inch off the floor. To make the long story short; those brakes where as bad as our lemon 07 Odyssey when it was new. We test drove another one, different color, and those brakes were fine.

    Here is another article about Odyssey brakes: recall .

    Beware.
  • terrip1terrip1 Posts: 5
    Replying to your memo #193 -- Refer to my memo on Edmunds #125, Page 13.
  • bigdadi118, exb0, and terrip1,

    Thank you very much for your replies to my inquiry, and for the many posts on this forum. My condolences go out to those who have had accidents, and I extend wishes that all are doing well. Your time and efforts will likely save others from injury or loss of life.

    Through your pointers I've now found the Honda Service Bulletin 07-045 (most recent issue dated March 5, 2009), which includes the 2007 Honda Odyssey, and also the New York Times article from January 14, 2009, that refers to the inclusion of the 2007 Honda Odyssey. Thank you! (It is unfortunate that these bulletins do not appear when searching the Honda Owners Site or the NHTSA site.)

    Having owned and done personal maintenance, repair, and restoration on cars since 1968, my impression is that dealership shops have found it a challenge to keep up with the ever more sophisticated systems. In particular, the addition of anti-lock-braking, traction-control, and stability-control systems on top of the base hydraulic system has added complexity to maintaining the braking system. Failure of components aside, the correct filling, flushing, and bleeding of the total brake system is more complex than those that have only a base system, such as my 2000 Honda Accord. For example, from my readings of the factory shop manual for the 1996 Chrysler Grand Caravan and a well regarded aftermarket shop manual for the 1997-2004 Porsche Boxster (http://www.bentleypublishers.com/isbn/9780837613338/index.html ), correctly bleeding of the ABS/TC/SC systems requires special electronic equipment to activate the valves in these systems to ensure air can be bled out.

    While I am not certain that the procedures described in the above manuals apply to all contemporary cars (I suspect they do), these manuals emphasize that only the base system can be bled using the manual techniques, which have served the past generation of cars and mechanics. The higher functionality systems (ABS/TC/SC) attached to the base system require special equipment and care in addition to conventional manual bleed procedure. Clearly if an ABS/TC/SC system compromises the base system by letting air into it, then eventually sufficient pressure to activate the brakes cannot be achieved.

    Again while I am not an expert, this suggests to me that if the soft brake pedal feel is attributable to a faulty ABS/TC/SC module, then bleeding the base system might restore a firmer feel, BUT this is only temporary situation. As the ABS/TC/SC continues to leak air into the base system, the base system will lose its effectiveness again. If an ABS/TC/SC failure introduces massive amounts of air into the base system or provides a path to relieve hydraulic pressure, then the result is a catastrophic loss of braking. If the ABS/TC/SC module is replaced, but BOTH the base and ABS/TC/SC are not properly bled, then the potential for problems still exists. Bottom line - the ABS/TC/SC system needs to be replaced with one that is not faulty, and both the base and ABS/TC/SC need to be bled correctly.

    I hope my local Honda dealership can service our Odyssey promptly, and that the Honda parts and processes are up to the task of providing a safe vehicle - one that provides the most basic of functions - stopping the car.
  • gmodgmod Posts: 2
    The dealer replaced the ABS modulator on my 2008 Odyssey today. I don't notice any difference. The petal still travels a long way before the breaks grab. I need to tow a couple times a year with this vehicle. The dealer says they checked it out and it's OK. I checked and they did replace the modulator. Now what???!
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Did they bleed / change the brake fluid? There's still air in the old fluid.
  • Are you sure they used the part from the TSB?? Is there a way to check?? I have same problem.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Put a red or black dot on the all the related parts supposed to be change before bring in for the fix, then check which part(s) was replaced, apparently you can find it without the dot.
  • JasonWJasonW Posts: 8
    Hi,

    I recently purchased a used 05' Odyssey with the tow packages installed (by Honda and including both the hitch and transmission cooler).

    I will be pulling an 1100 lb camper trailer (Boler) with the van this summer and I'm wondering if I need to worry about installing trailer brakes or not? It could end up being as much as 1400 lbs when loaded, but I'm thinking I'll be able to offload some of this weight into the van itself (something I haven't had the option to do with the Forester we've used in the past to tow).

    Anyway, the manual mentions that trailer brakes should be installed when pulling anything over 1000 lbs, but I've heard through word of mouth that they aren't necessary unless I'm pulling significantly more weight.

    Can anyone offer advice on this?

    And does anyone know the approximate cost to install trailer brakes? I haven't checked into this much yet as I'm thinking I may not even need to.

    Thanks,

    Jason
  • bryce1010bryce1010 Posts: 1
    Would anybody have information on who to contact about the lack of knowledge the dealer has on there Honda product.

    Brief discription

    Front brakes turned twice ( the second time I said no and they did it any way). They wanted to turn them a 3rd time also.( I had them replaced)

    1st turned at 19269 mi soft petal also
    2nd turned at 26486 mi soft petal also
    3rd turned replaced at 26651 accomplished SB for soft breaks (diff dealership)
    (my $)
    The story goes on and on
  • my07my07 Posts: 22
    Are there any FSBs on the tourque converter. My 07 bucks like a mule.

    I have had several Hondas in the past but this will be the last one. Between the PAX mess, brake noise, warped rotors (that they want me to pay for) and trans issues I've had it.
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    Soft brake is because the VSC/ABS system(s) keeps leaking air into brake fluid. It has to be breeded manually and stop the air source.

    At that time they didn't find the fix yet, so I traded my 07 Ody for 08 Pilot in 7 months ownership.
  • westk1westk1 Posts: 9
    I just bought an EX. I only have a few hours of driving time in it. I noticed today when stopped in traffic, that I can stop with brake normal peddle modulation. When I am stopped, I can apply more pressure to the brake peddle and it keeps going until it hits the floor! I haven't tried any emergency stops yet to see if I can engage the ABS system, but I will try tomorrow. I have never expenienced a car whose brakes do not seem to have some travel limit. Has anyone else experienced this in a 2009 Odyssey?
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    The troubling thing is the SOFT BRAKE issue happens sparsely and is not 100% and you cannot duplicate it at will, or by the time you tell the dealer and the technician tests driving your van. They may think you are from the outer space, or "that is how the Honda brake is", "the brake is NORMAL and within the specs."
  • stgenisstgenis Posts: 3
    My 2007 Odyssey started having brake problems about a week ago; suddenly rumbling at stops, noises, soft pedal, etc. I took it in today and had the ABS/TCS modulator replaced, as well as the brake fluid bled and replaced. From some of the posts that I have seen on this forum, it seems that this does not always fix the problem. Does anyone have anything to offer on this? ABS/TCS replaced more than once? Damage to other brake parts that needed attention after the repair? Any thoughts would be appreciated; this is our family car and I chose a Honda based upon their reputation. At this point I'm ready to trade it in and go back to Toyota.
  • oddseoddse Posts: 1
    Where is TSB #07-045 Posted?
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    TSB 07-045 was updated all the time. Originally posted in Post#160

    http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A07-045.PDF

    This should answer all of the questions.
  • carync1carync1 Posts: 4
    I cannot believe that there has not been a Class-Action against Honda for these issues!

    I just paid to have the front brake rotors turned at AutoPark Honda, at 30,000 miles and the pads still had 65% life on them. They were warped...just like everyone else here. And yes, the front brakes still grind, sometimes sounding like metal on metal....it's made me paranoid! ....I have never owned a vehicle that required brake work of any kind before 50-60k miles....never!

    Let me add that the transmission will make a huge clunk and sound likes it's going to fall out from the van on occasion....that's kind of scary!

    The nasty, cheap Bridgestone tires that came with it have been replaced with Toyo Versado LX's....what a difference a decent tire makes.

    Also had the weird, ticking noise coming from the right-front wheel. Funny, you get a service tech to drive it and they can't hear it, even though you can hear it plain as day from the passenger seat as well.

    Now, I get to take it in for some rattling noise coming from under the left-front side.
    Who knows what that might be?

    And the worst thing is.... they lie to you, telling you that it's an "isolated issue" and they have not seem it on other cars.

    I can tell you this, I'll not buy another Honda Odyssey!
  • bigdadi118bigdadi118 Posts: 1,207
    wheel nuts are supposed to be tightened with torque wrench but how many technicians are following this. Over-tightened might be the cause of warped rotor.
  • This is making me crazy! I've had a problem with my brakes for about a year. We purchased this van Easter Sunday, 2008. I don't remember when I noticed the brake problem the first time, but they have always been really soft and go almost to the ground when braking. I also noticed when pulling up to a stop sign a very loud grinding noise. In my experience that grinding noise is a BAD thing. According to my dealer, this is NORMAL for Honda Odysseys. Something to do with the material of the brake pads because the car is heavier. But even my husband says this is not normal, and the brakes should not take so long to engage. I have a very hard time getting this van to brake going down hills and am constantly afraid that they will not engage in time for me to stop before hitting the car in front of me. I have owned Honda's for over 13 years, and have never had this problem. I am taking it into the dealership tomorrow (San Juan Capistrano - Weseloh) for the third time tomorrow. I decided to see if anyone else is having this problem and am FLABBERGASTED with the amount of people having the exact same problem. This is not normal! What is it going to take to make Honda fix this problem?!?

    I'll report back tomorrow and let you know what my dealer says. Dollars to donuts they'll do nothing. :mad:
  • Do not let them tell you that is normal. These brake issues are dangerous. Tell them that Honda is under investigation by the NHTSA for the brake issue and you can add yourself to the list by making a claim on there site. I believe they are getting better at fixing the issue (standard bulletins) so you might find that if you read the complete site details.
  • Yes, I had this exact problem on my 09 Odyssey EX. I already report this to Honda customer service. but I did not see any complains on NHTSA ODI's website. This is definitely a serious safety issue.
  • It appears they still have not resolved the brake issue on the Odysseys! Yes, the NHTSA is investigating these complaints. Send an e-mail to NHTSA at
    Kerrin.Bressant@dot.gov. We had a terrible accident with our 2007 when it was only 5 months old. We didn't even experience the soft/spongy brakes before the accident, they just went out altogether!
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