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2008 Minivans

benchbench Posts: 14
edited March 14 in Toyota
Does anyone know when the 2008 minivans arrive on the scene? I'm especially interested in the Toyota Sienna and the Honda Odyssey. Will there be any changes? Comments appreciated.
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  • The imports will not be offering much new in 2008 minivans. Same old stuff. I suppose they think we'll just keep buying their products and they don't even have to try to impress us anymore. It's kind of arrogant. Now on the otherhand, Chrysler and Dodge will be having completely redesigned all-new minivans ... and if you read the write up on Town and Country here on edmunds.com, they're going to be outstanding models! Even have a second-row of seats that swivel and have a table you can put in back. Chrysler keeps getting better quality wise. On the other hand Toyota, Honda and Kia keep having recalls on their products.
  • chirpchirp Posts: 194
    Fall for new models and yes same old. Crossovers are taking command, haven't you heard? :)

    The mini van is going the way of the stegosaurous and this Odyssey is the last for us that's for sure!
  • LOL at the early posts.

    The 2008 Sienna and Odyssey are not due for a major overhall. 2009 for the Sienna (i think) and 2010 for the Odyssey (I'm sure).

    2008 should bring small changes but not a new platform. (new tail lights, few more details but that's it)

    As for timeing most come out Aug/Sept. Look for details to leak out June/July.
  • lexan1965lexan1965 Posts: 118
    You failed to mention the DXC minivans have had transmission issues for a long time. I don't know if they'll get any better with the '08 models. The wife and I are keeping an eye on '08 minivan reviews as we would like to buy another one within 12 months.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Actually the transmission issues were due to service stations and dealers using wrong tranny fluid. Those problems are now history and shouldn't even be an issue. My 2005 has been absolutely trouble free, even towing my RV. Even the 6 spd tranny used in 08 DCX minivans should be reliable, as it's been used without issue on 07 Pacifica (same for new 4.0 engine).
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Are you living in a cave on a remote island?

    DC minivans have had more reliable transmissions than the Odyssey from 1999 to the present. Just read in the Edmund's Problems Forums for both.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Hey!!! That would make a great TV Show!!! We could call it "LOST"!!!!
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    on the issue of noise.

    Also from Edmunds, '08 DGC vs Ody:

    DGC:
    Db @ Idle: 44.7
    Db @ Full Throttle: 77.8
    Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 70.2

    Ody:
    Db @ Idle: 44.8
    Db @ Full Throttle: 72.1
    Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 67.2

    In other words---at both full throttle and at cruise, the Ody is significantly quieter than the Grand Caravan.

    And on turning circle--which is particularly important to my wife, who will be using this van in many parking lots, grocery shopping, etc:

    Dodge-39.1
    Honda-36.7

    And did I mention it was cheaper?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, Toyota had a minor face-lift for 2006, and a new engine for 2007. I doubt there will be significant changes until the new model arrives.

    The 2007s arrived in January, so don't expect 2008 models too soon.

    Here's a question, though, what improvements are you looking for?

    IMHO the minivan market is fairly mature, i.e. the wish list for segment leaders is established.

    My Sienna has 266hp, which is enough to get me too many speeding tickets, so it certainly doesn't need more power. The 2nd row windows go down. The door tracks are nicely hidden. You can get 7 seats or 8. FWD or AWD. Magic 3rd row. SAC and VSC for safety. You can get every power option under the sun, if you're willing to pay for it.

    What's missing? Honestly. :confuse:

    I think the stigma that minivans carry has forced automakers to keep improving these vehicles, enough that there's not much else to do that I can think of.
  • javaminijavamini Posts: 1
    We are thinking about buying the Hyundai Entourage or its "sister", the Kia Sedona. Here in Canada, due to the trim levels and 0% purchase financing, the Hyundai looks like a better deal...BUT the Kia dealer claims that the Entourage will not be continued (hard to believe, since it is new for 2007). Does anyone know the scoop on this?

    Many thanks!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Baloney. Entourage is selling well, in fact it's been eating in to Sedona sales. Combined they are up 8%, but Entourage sales have basically taken away half of Kia's minivan sales.

    I would avoid that Kia dealership for the simple reason that he's lying through his teeth! :mad:
  • josm100josm100 Posts: 30
    agreed, if you can trust him now howe can you trust him with your money? The entourage has won so many adwards and Hyundais strategy has alwas been low key, I don't see it going anywhere.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    The mini van is going the way of the stegosaurous and this Odyssey is the last for us that's for sure!

    Why is it your last one? You don't have the need for something so spacious, or you never did?
  • bobber1bobber1 Posts: 217
    I doubt the minivan will die any day soon. It's way too practical for so many reasons. Can't beat the space and sliding doors for young families. I can see older families going to the CUV's but you still give up some room.
  • albookalbook Posts: 1,282
    What happened to VW's van based off the DCX vans? That's what VW needs.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, the new Dodge arrives this fall, so we may see VW's version fairly soon.

    Seems like an odd match up to me. I would have preferred to see the very cool Bus concept produced.
  • I just bought my Hundai Entourage. I like most Hyundai buyers had it down to 3 vehicles - Honda, Toyota & Hyundai.
    Personally I think all 3 are excellent cars and would be thrilled to own any of them. The Entourage in "limited" trim can be had with the entertainment package for $26k ($2500 cash back included). A similarly yequipped car from either Toyota or Honda would cost $5000 more. My choice was simple.
    The ONLY option I wish they had available would be a Navigation system. I don't know why they don't offer it in any model, it's not like it would be to difficult to source out a double Din to Pioneer, Alpine or whoever maked the Chrysler unit.
    I didn't go for the "Ultimate Package" only because the only useful thing for the extra $1800 (over the entertainment package) would be the backup alarm.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Hyundai has very likely figured out that "captive" GPS/Nav systems will soon be going the way of the Dodo bird.

    Non-captives can be moved from vehicle to vehicle or in some cases even carried in my wife's purse, or incorporated into my cell phone.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Or captive navs will drop in price, to the point you don't even think of them i.e...AM/FM radios. I will probably get nav in my next vehicle, mostly for the back up camera for hitching up my camper easily. I have a Garmin now that's nice to have, the 2-3 times/year I use it.
  • 1= Looks the most expensive
    7= Looks the cheapest

    1st Honda Odyssey

    2nd Hyundai Entourage

    3rd Nissan Quest

    Tie Toyota Sienna

    Tie Kia Sedona

    6th Dodge/Chrysler

    7th GM Minivans
  • elieelie Posts: 15
    <<What's missing? Honestly. :confuse: >>

    Whats missing is the option to get leather seats or even a friggin sunroof with the 8-seater. Whats up with that? Honda also gives you less options with 8 seats, but at least I can get leather and a sunroof. That's why I'm going with Honda(I hope you're reading this, Toyota)!
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    #1. Sienna Limited

    #2. Honda EX-L

    #3. T&C Limited

    #4. ALL The Rest :sick:
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I had a close up look at the new 08 Chrysler yesterday at Chrysler HQ. The exterior styling is nice, boxy....nothing exceptional, but it is a box after all. The interior looked about as cheap as my current one, no improvements, upgraded plastic or graining. Just more of the same cheapness.

    I think I'm going over to GM for an Enclave or Acadia next....superior towing, similar mpg, a little less space, but great interior. I truly think the sleeping giant of GM is waking up....their interiors are world class.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    When I looked at the GM Enclave and Acadia, they looked like they have LESS interior space than the short T&C or the plain Caravan as have ALL GM minivans since the Astro/Safari were dropped.

    Of course, the Astro/Safari were the ONLY minivans ever made that could tow anything of consequence without damaging the weak FWD sedan drive trains. :sick:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, noone else offers 8 leather seats either.

    Honda's is really just 7+1, and even saying +1 is being generous.

    Also, I read that Honda uses vinyl for the 3rd row while Toyota uses leather.

    Moonroof? You can go aftermarket for that. Find the local ASC certified install shop. I've done that 3 times in the past, on an '86 Sprint, a '98 Forester, and a 2002 Legacy. No problems on any of those.

    In fact, you can go aftermarket for the leather, too. In fact the grade used by Katskins is far superior to any of the seats I sampled on test drives with leather (Honda, Kia).

    The Hyundai Veracruz, though, has the best leather I think I've ever sample. Jaw dropping. Extremely comfy. Too bad the stuff in the vans I tested weren't even close. :sick:

    That's why we went with cloth.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    I would prefer riding on the +1 seat in the Odyssey than either 2nd row seat in my 2006 Sienna. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Honestly? That says more about you than it does about the Sienna.

    Why the bias against Toyota, may I ask? :confuse:
  • If you're used to wearing thong underwear, sitting on the +1 seat (or the 2008 Highlander's similar setup) will suit you just fine!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Too much information! :D

    I don't want to picture Hans (did I spell that correctly) in a thong. :surprise:
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    No bias, just stating that the 2nd row seats of the Sienna's are NOT comfortable for either me or my daughter. :sick: Neither is the front passenger seat of my 2006 Sienna LE while the front passenger seat of the Sienna CE is comfortable.

    My 06 Sienna LE driver's seat is VERY comfortable as is any of the 3 seating positions on the 3rd row seat. I am also impressed with the LARGE cargo area behind the 3rd row seat of my Sienna and the OUTSTANDING fuel economy ( which is slightly better than the fuel economy of my former 2002 T&C LX with a lower powered 3.3L V6).

    However, I miss the T&C separately controlled temperature for the driver and front passenger, its better trip computer, and more comfortable 2nd row seats.

    There is NO such thing as THE BEST minivan since the Sienna, T&C/GC, and the Odyssey each have distinct advantages. :shades:
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