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2008 Minivans

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Just checked, no recalls at all for any 2008 Siennas, which started production in July.

    No recalls at all for any 2007 Siennas.

    No recalls at all for any 2006 Siennas.

    You have to go all the way back to model year 2005 to find one single recall, and it was for a rather minor issue of a trim bezel around a seat belt.

    So much for them "slipping badly". :P

    The opposite is true, in fact. The van came out in 2004, and they have ironed out all the teething issues.

    That makes a new Sienna a very, very safe bet. :shades:

    Source: NHTSA.GOV.
  • carcom2carcom2 Posts: 212
    I just think it drives much better and I probably will not tow anything.
  • They had a five van comparo between the Dodge Grand Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna, Nissan Quest, and Hyundai Entourage.

    Any guesses as to how they finished?

    They tried to equip these vans as close to $35k as possible, but the Nissan was around $39k, with the Toyota around $30k.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    What year, model, engine, transmission, etc. of each?

    Were they lazy like CR and just MSRP or did they know how to shop for the best actual price for each? :lemon:

    Since you posted the data, I would guess they liked the Odyssey the best. :blush:
  • They used the top engine in the Dodge, the rest all have standard engines and transmissions (including the 3.5L 266 hp Sienna). The Odyssey was a 2007, not the revised 2008 model.

    Given that the name of the magazine is "CAR and DRIVER" I'm not surprised they go with the most "carlike" of all the vans as their number one choice.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Silly Silly Hans, you don't get it do you!

    Don't play this game. You should know by now you can't win.

    If you have a 4spd auto and Honda offers 5, your's is garbage, obsolete etc.. If your's has a 6 spd and Honda offers 5, your's is unproven garbage. If you don't offer all the airbags as others, your's is unsafe, but if you then offer more airbags, say knee airbags in addition to curtain etc.., so what. If you get $5000 off your minivan and someone pays dealer markup for a Honda, you can only use MSRP numbers to calculate resale value, not actual transaction prices. If your minivan doesn't get anywhere near EPA numbers, you just point to EPA numbers anyways. If your minivan is 1.4 secs slower to 60 mph - get off the road you're a hazard!! If your minivan is 1/10th sec faster, your engine will probably blow up at 20,000 miles, hence the need for better warranty. If your minivan offers innovative features, you probably don't need em to begin with, unless they later show up on foreign minivans, and then they'll be of much better design, quality and a necessity. Total recall numbers only matter, even if they're voluntary and minor, unless you have a foreign vehicle and are fixed via TSBs. You also can ignore the TSBs and tons of complaints online because others are more passionate then you are and have much higher expectations then you - so dismiss those numbers. If you had a single bad experience with a domestic product - never ever buy another, they're all crapola! And bash em every chance you can on Edmunds. Keep reliving the pain, oh, and you don't actually have to own em either, it could be an old family vehicle or story passed on from generation to generation!! Even Edsels are fair game!!

    Don't try playing the numbers game :)
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    what, you can watch car and driver, they took it of our spike tv a year ago. how can i see the van comparro?
  • No, the magazine that can be found in any Barnes & Noble or Books a Million. I have a subscription to Motor Trend and Automobile, I think it is something like $12 for 12 issues for all of these magazines including C&D. I recently swapped C&D for Automobile since C&D and MT are VERY redundant.
  • Thanks for the post dennis. I didn't say anything close to what you are accusing me implicitly of doing.

    Why do you have to try and pick a fight filled with implied insults towards me and my post (the one hans replied to)where one didn't previously exist?

    I said C&D picks winners based on which drives most sporty-like a car. I didn't "bash anything every chance I got" on Edmunds, like you say. I didn't screw around with numbers. I didn't even bring up the subject of reliability. Yet you pin all of these insults on me, and if not all on me, on all Honda owners.

    A little maturity, or respect, at least, would be appreciated dennis.

    TheGrad
  • If you have a 4spd auto and Honda offers 5, your's is garbage, obsolete etc.. If your's has a 6 spd and Honda offers 5, your's is unproven garbage.

    As long as it drives fine and does what it should who cares? Not me people should drive them and see for themselves.

    If you get $5000 off your minivan and someone pays dealer markup for a Honda, you can only use MSRP numbers to calculate resale value, not actual transaction prices

    If your van is 5000 off MSRP right off the bat you got a pricing problem. If your paying over MSRP for a Honda Odyssey it's 2004 or 2005! ;)

    If your minivan doesn't get anywhere near EPA numbers, you just point to EPA numbers anyways.

    Thats been the case for most cars. As far as I can tell all minivans tested by CR got much less than EPA numbers. Really sounds like sour grapes.

    If your minivan is 1.4 secs slower to 60 mph - get off the road you're a hazard!! If your minivan is 1/10th sec faster, your engine will probably blow up at 20,000 miles, hence the need for better warranty.

    The fact is DCX has the highest warranty costs in the business. They spend 6 times as much on repairs than Honda. And only sell 33% more cars. Do figure. The warranty is to sell cars. You wouldn't give more unless you had to. I had the 3.3 liter, I don't think it was 1.4 seconds slower than my Ody(maybe the 3.8L was)but it sure made alot of noise but didn't really seem to be in sync with the tranny.

    If your minivan offers innovative features, you probably don't need em to begin with, unless they later show up on foreign minivans, and then they'll be of much better design, quality and a necessity.

    What you need and don't need is not a big deal. Didn't dodge go with the side windows like Honda. The DCX guys yelled like crazy about that before. Now they seem quiet.

    Total recall numbers only matter, even if they're voluntary and minor, unless you have a foreign vehicle and are fixed via TSBs. You also can ignore the TSBs and tons of complaints online because others are more passionate then you are and have much higher expectations then you - so dismiss those numbers. If you had a single bad experience with a domestic product - never ever buy another, they're all crapola! And bash em every chance you can on Edmunds.

    Look where ya want Chysler led all companies in recalls last year 2.3 million. Where there's smoke there's fire.
    Honda had the least. Is the Chrysler van good, no doubt it is but I gave Dodge 3 shots at my business. I was looking after the Lifetime warranty came out and said damn there just isn't one of their cars I'd buy(now if I needed a truck ;) That's what they need to fix. BTW I loved the edsel do you know where I can get one? Heard they had less problems per vehicle than my 2001 Caravan! :blush:

    You are right with Chryslers numbers it's really not the right time to play the numbers game!
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    is it in the October issue?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Grad - I just replied to your post because it was convenient, not that I was responding to you directly so relax.

    I like how people are changing their tunes now.

    As far as real world recalls and warranty, How many cars does Chrysler sell globally vs Honda, and how do recalls vary global, or laws for filing suits, or even warranties?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    November issue.....Seems to me that everything you'd want a minivan for, Chrysler knocked out of the ballpark. Great acceleration, smooth ride, extremely quiet ride, storage space, flexible seating. They didn't like the steering feel and handling was limited by the stability control etc.. Toss in one of the best warranty, and willingness to deal and Chrysler will probably sell almost 1/2 million vans.
  • As far as real world recalls and warranty, How many cars does Chrysler sell globally vs Honda, and how do recalls vary global, or laws for filing suits, or even warranties?

    Ok Dennis I'll do your research. For 2006 Honda 3.55 million cars worldwide. The Chrysler Group 2.65 million cars. Cars recalled for 2006 Honda 1096, Chrysler group 2,300,000. As far as laws and lawsuits I'm not a lawyer. But if you send me the 21K you saved by buying the Dodge, you can put me on retainer. DCX(4.7 million cars sold includes all of DCX not just chrysler group) for 2006 led all car companies for warranty costs at 6.1 billion. Honda had warranty costs of under a billion. I really don't think recalls are the best way to see how good quality is I'm happy you now agree with me! :shades:
  • carcom2carcom2 Posts: 212
    While you're doing the research, it would be interesting to see a chart with not just the # of recalls for ea. manuf, but the breakdown of what the recall was for. Some things, I'm sure, less severe than others, so just looking at total numbers doesn't tell the whole true accurate picture when deciding on what vehicle to buy.

    All co.'s have recalls. Even on newer vehicles:

    "Honda is recalling 182,756 Civic sedans from the 2006 and 2007 model years in the U.S. to fix a faulty wheel bearing that may cause the wheels to fall off."

    "Toyota recalls 533,000 Tundra's, Sequoia's"

    "Six injuries and 11 accidents led Toyota to announce that it will recall certain 2004-06 Tundra trucks and 2004-07 Sequoia SUVs to repair faulty steering components."

    "We find it odd that both Honda and Toyota made the announcements early in 2007, after the total recall figures for 2006 were announced. If Toyota’s more than half-million recalled vehicles from this incident had been added to its 2006 tally it would have been much closer to GM and Ford’s 2006 recall figures."

    "Toyota recalls 130,000 Tundra's"
    "This is a complicated one, folks. Toyota is recalling all 2003 - 2005 model year Tundra pickups due to a federal regulation regarding airbag deployment and child safety seat use"

    Sorry for this post not having to do with minivans. Hope we can get back to the topic.
  • carcom2carcom2 Posts: 212
    I know exactly what you mean.
  • Toyota also offers a lifetime warranty just like Dodge and Chrysler. I have one on my '07 Sienna. So that's not an exclusive for them anymore.
  • While you're doing the research, it would be interesting to see a chart with not just the # of recalls for ea. manuf, but the breakdown of what the recall was for. Some things, I'm sure, less severe than others, so just looking at total numbers doesn't tell the whole true accurate picture when deciding on what vehicle to buy.

    All co.'s have recalls. Even on newer vehicles:

    "Honda is recalling 182,756 Civic sedans from the 2006 and 2007 model years in the U.S. to fix a faulty wheel bearing that may cause the wheels to fall off."

    "Toyota recalls 533,000 Tundra's, Sequoia's"

    "Six injuries and 11 accidents led Toyota to announce that it will recall certain 2004-06 Tundra trucks and 2004-07 Sequoia SUVs to repair faulty steering components."


    Please read my entire post. I do not think recalls are the main issues with car quality!! All companies have recalls!! I am just pointing this out to dennis cause I think it's funny(He use to comment how many more recalls my Ody had compared to his 2005 DCX van, stating time spent at dealer, overall reliability, yada yada yada now the recalls per vehicle are about the same LOL).I think recalls might be a good thing in some cases. I noticed you picked Honda and Toyota to make a point of here, why not put GM Ford and DCX issues up?? If you read my post I just gave the answers to the questions I was asked, isn't that what you should do when someone asks you a specific question? Now you want charts plus a risk factor given to each recall(talk about opening yourself up for something LOL). ;)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I think that most of the vehicles today are pretty dependable. So it comes down to what you want to use your minivan for and what you want on it.

    I also like to buy American made and American owned if possible. I believe keeping profit in this country is good for all Americans, creating more jobs outside of the automotive field..
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    how did you get a copy so early? i was driving around trying to find an issue, no one has the November issue in my area yet.
  • I think that most of the vehicles today are pretty dependable. So it comes down to what you want to use your minivan for and what you want on it.

    Yep Marine never would have been happy with the Ody it just doesn't fit his needs. I wasn't happy with my DCX van wasn't really what I wanted. First time I didn't keep a car to 100K miles. Was it ok I'll tell ya what never stranded in 50K miles. Just wanted some of the stuff Honda had at the time. Now the Chrysler has all those features and I think it's a van to look at before you buy anything else. In So. Cal. most people don't even look at the Chrysler cars. For value and comparision you should.

    I also like to buy American made and American owned if possible. I believe keeping profit in this country is good for all Americans, creating more jobs outside of the automotive field..

    Really hard to follow whats what in a global economy. But I love thing built in the US by us. I still have only bought one car built outside the US. My 2001 caravan(Windsor Ca). I recently bought 1000 shares in Ford when it was in the mid 7$ range. I think they could get themselves back in the swing of things. Chrysler has got alot of work, as does Ford. Each has come a ways in quality in the last 5 years. Chryslers warranty cost are high but have been reduced by 40% in the last 5 years. I remember a time when I didn't think I'd buy anything that wasn't a Pontiac. They called me and my 2 friends team Pontiac. Boy did I love my 1973 Grand Prix SJ 455 4 barrel. Talk about bad gas mileage. :cry: Man it was a great car for a 17 yo.
  • I just picked one up and read it at Barnes & Noble Friday night. No special skills required! I'm in the Birmingham, Alabama area.
  • carcom2carcom2 Posts: 212
    I sat in a 2007 pretty loaded Odyssey today. The dealer was closed but someone forgot to lock one of the doors of the van in the lot.

    I know it's a matter of taste, but as nice as some of the van is like the looks of the seats, I really dislike the dash. It does nothing for me. The 2008 T&C is nicer to me. Maybe partially due to a a nice mix of colors with the faux wood & chrome. The Honda is pretty much all the same color. The tan looks better than the grey.

    Seats were confortable. I didn't look at the window switches, but it seems like the 3 rd row windows do not open. Is that true? Also the 3rd row windows did not have the window shades. And there is not enough room to put your left arm on the built in arm rest because of the wall protruding into that area. I thought that was weird. The right side was fine. The T&C has more storage areas. The Odessey seems to have more 3rd row leg room but less room behind it than the T&C. Also the T&C stow area in the 2nd row has much more room than the in floor storage area of the Odessey. So I don't even care how good the Odessey may possible drive, I can't own a car if I don't like the dash.
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    maybe thats why i can't find it, you live in a complete different area than me, i live in Sacramento, ca. thanks though for informing me. =]
  • Ha, must be the time difference! :) lol
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    So I don't even care how good the Odessey may possible drive, I can't own a car if I don't like the dash.


    Not crazy about the dash in my 2005 Dodge GC. But I wanted Stow-N-Go. We bought the 2004 Honda Civic because the wife like the dash better than she did the Ford Focus. Even though she thought the Focus drove and rode better. I tried to talk her into the Focus, but she liked that colorful speedometer. Women.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    The dash is definitely a matter of taste because I absolutely hate the fake wood and chrome on a lot of new cars. To me it's the ultimate in a cheap look. Or more so, a car trying too look expensive on the outside.

    Reminds me of these new developments that have a brick veneer on the front of the house, so if you're standing directly in front (for a real estate picture!) they look great, but look on either side or down deep and they're cheap.
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    what place did the sienna come in? what was the 0-60 times?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You folks will have to excuse me while I laugh, but...

    Does anyone else find it amusing that when anyone here criticizes Toyota they point to vehicles other than the Sienna?

    That's like telling someone they are ugly because of the way their sister looks. :D

    I have a subscription to C&D but the Oct. issue is not here yet. I'm not surprised that the Ody would be the enthusiasts' choice, though. I've mentioned it handled the best of the vans I sampled, though I didn't find the advantage compelling enough to overcome other factors.
  • I hate to ruin the ending!
    CAR AND DRIVER STORY SPOILER ALERT!!! LOOK AWAY IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW THE OUTCOME!!!

    0-60 times

    7.2 Sienna
    8.0 Grand Caravan
    8.7 Odyssey
    8.8 Quest
    8.9 Entourage (I can't remember exactly, I could be wrong about the Hyundai's time).

    Finishing order: LOOK AWAY, LAST CHANCE!!!!!

    Odyssey Touring, Sienna LE, Grand Caravan SXT, Quest SE, Entourage Limited.
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