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2008 Minivans

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  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    That's right. Thanks for the reminder that we all share the same idea of value. Sheesh, I can't believe I had forgotten that.

    Opps, Sorry......but all the previous items stand i.e.. best warranty, flexibility in options and seating configs.....
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    in options and seating configs.....

    If you haul a lot of cargo, yep. If you are like my great aunt and take my grandmother, me, and my parents a lot of places and don't want to scoot to the back row, the Odyssey offers 5-passenger seating in the first two rows. The DCX does not. For driving around Birmingham this weekend while my folks were in town, we did this with no problem.

    So, again, best flexibility for you, not for everyone.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    If you haul a lot of cargo, yep. If you are like my great aunt and take my grandmother, me, and my parents a lot of places and don't want to scoot to the back row, the Odyssey offers 5-passenger seating in the first two rows. The DCX does not. For driving around Birmingham this weekend while my folks were in town, we did this with no problem.

    As I've conceded....8 passenger seating is about it. If you have specific needs, you usually think of it prior to buying a vehicle. You don't buy a Focus hoping to pull your 5000lb camper with it.

    I think I used "MOST Flexible options and seating configs".....

    Maybe your priority is flexible interior for camping, yard sales or a business, where one day you're carrying cases of wine, the next family - Chrysler (unless you like removing and installing seats). Maybe you're a growing family with mulitple child seats to move from vehicle to vehicle, no other minivans offers built in booster seats - Chrysler. Maybe comfort is priority, and you like heated seats for front and middle passengers - Chrysler. Maybe easy access in and out of minvan, perhaps seats the swivel 90 degrees - Chrysler. Maybe your family is involved in kids soccer and football and you tailgate - Chrysler

    As for options..... Maybe you live in an extreme hot or cold climate, remote start is desireable - Chrysler. Maybe you're elderly and on a budget, you have problems opening and closing the rear hatch. You can only get that on a $40 Ody Touring....Ouch. Chrysler offers it as an option on all but the most base minivans. Same with adjustable pedals. Maybe driving at night is a concern....you like auto dimming interior and exterior mirrors, pin spot LED lighting etc... - Chrysler. A buyer has the most flexibility in customizing their minvans with a Chrysler.....kinda hard to dispute it, unless one wants to quibble with seat comfort or toe space.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I think I used "MOST Flexible options and seating configs".....

    It sounds like I'm nit-picking, but most flexible isn't always "best" as you implied in the post I replied to. Chrysler does have the most options, that's for sure. And that's a point in their favor for LOTS of people. I'm not debating that, as Chrysler really rules in that department.

    You can only get that on a $40 Ody Touring.

    I wish an Odyssey Touring only cost forty bucks! :) I find it interesting that Honda made NAV and RES standard on the Touring, eliminating the lower-cost Touring options. used to, you could get a Touring Odyssey about the same price as an EX-L with NAV and RES. That's another point away from the Odyssey.

    I never intended to dispute Chrysler's superior option packaging (or rather, their lack therof). They win in that respect.

    Chrysler does drop off in one area of packaging though. In the Toyota, having a smooth, multivalve, competitive engine with good hp costs $24k or so MSRP. In Honda, that's $25k or $26k. In a Chrysler, that option costs $36k MSRP. With an engine being what actually keeps an automobile from being a buggy, I'd say that's a pretty big detriment.

    That raises a question... why has horsepower gone the wrong direction in the 3.8L from Chrysler? It started at 215. After corrections from the SAE, it dropped by 10 to 205 (a similar drop to the Odyssey). Now it is below 200hp. In a 4600lb vehicle, that doesn't seem like very much, especially when compared to modern competition.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Go back and search for "rebates" and you will come up with a bunch of mentions.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    An easy way to end this "mine is worth more than yours" is to go to the Carmax web site and look at the values of a 2006 Odyssey LX and a 2006 Grand Caravan SXT. The Honda's resale value on that site is $11,000 more. Even if the GC sold for about $3,000 less, the Honda is still worth $8,000 more after two years and a whole lot more 3+ years down the road.

    Carmax does not have the least expensive used cars but it is indicative of the pricing difference.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Chrysler IS FAR AHEAD of Honda and Toyota in offering a feature that was formerly had on only LUXURY vehicles: separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger available on ALL but the least expensive GC or T&C.

    To get this desireable feature one has to get the Ody EX (MSRP $ 29,290) or a Sienna XLE (MSRP well above $30,000).

    Each manufacturer places emphasis on different features. For my wife and myself, individual temperature comfort is more important than rapid acceleration. :shades:
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    You can get a Sienna XLE with the dvd package for $29,500 in my area. A fully loaded limited is $35,000.
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    we had an 05 T&C and it was quiet but our 04 Sienna Limited is quieter.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Your information is inaccurate. The MSRP for the T&C Touring containing the tri-zone HVAC is $28,430. Presently Chrysler LLC is offering a $1,000 "discount".

    The MSRP for the Odyssey EX with tri-zone HVAC is $28,960. For this price you also get a tilt and telescoping steering column and daytime running lights.

    The above information was taken from each vehicle's official website.

    Do we continue this discussion with a list of every feature? Can't we just say each van has its own individual features?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    In 2002, it was redesigned with a five gear automatic transmission,

    Just to quibble here..... This wasn't a true five speed auto, but a 4 speed with overdrive, but Honda marketed as such. The real 5 spd came in 2005 MY with the current redesign. I remember reading this in some auto engineering rags we get at the office.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    To get this desireable feature one has to get the Ody EX (MSRP $ 29,290) or a Sienna XLE (MSRP well above $30,000).

    What I found odd looking at an ody last week (leftover Touring and O8 EX-L) was something as simple as "miles to empty" readout on driver display isn't standard on lessor non touring models. This is programming of software, it's free if you design it properly, same with battery saver - a nickel capacitor and resistor circuit....something domestics provide without thinking, it's a giveme!!
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    When it comes to purchase price, I'd say that both the Odyssey and Sienna will cost more than the T&C by a few thousand because of the generally higher domestic incentives, plus the laws of supply and demand. And the depreciation is more for the T&C too. If I were to buy a T&C, I'd never buy new because you could buy a one year old model at a huge discount. The Odyssey/Sienna hold their value better, so for those I'd buy new. To me, buying a T&C new and trading it in every 3-5 years would be financially crazy. There are a lot of ways to look at vehicle price beyond the option list.
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Very well said. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, same model year CLLC vans sell used for $11,000 - $12,000 here in San Antonio. These vans cost $23,000 - $25,000 new a few months before. Unlike other companies, the CLLC "Lifetime Warranty" is NOT transferable to a new owner.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    I agree with that logic...and if you can get a Odyssey or Sienna at a big, Chrysler-esque discount, like you can right now with the Honda, so much the better. My Ody EX-L carried a $6996 discount.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Would you mind telling us the difference?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Very good point, and furthermore someone just got a quote for an Ody EX at $23k.

    I can't believe the $25,294 for an EX-L, that's Grand Theft Auto! Great deal!

    In May I was quoted $29,052 for the same van! :surprise:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Someone asked earlier, so I'll answer.

    For me, the answer is ALL THE TIME, because when you can sit 3 across in the middle row, comfortably as you can in the Sienna, you often don't need the 3rd row.

    So noone is punished and thrown in the dungeon (i.e. 3rd row), instead they can all sit side-by-side in the 2nd row, with front row seats to the DVD movie.

    Access is easier to the middle of the 2nd row than it is to the 3rd row, also, so you load and unload much quicker. My kids can have the nanny sit next to them, or one friend can come along.

    If they bring 2 friends, no problem, in that case we sit 2+2+2, and again, each of my 2 kids sits right next to their friend. The middle seat folds flat into a table, and that clears the view for the movie for viewers in the 3rd row.

    This way you NEVER end up with one kid having to sit alone.

    Perfect. Ideal. No compromising.

    With 2 seats in the middle row you can do Paper-Rock-Scissors and the loser has to sit in the back.

    The Ody can seat 8 in a pinch, but the Sienna's seat is much wider. Not just the middle seat itself, but also the outward seats are set farther apart.

    I haven't measured, but the Sienna's cargo area is about 4" wider than the Ody's, and I bet the 2nd row seats on the 8 seat model have at least the same advantage - i.e. at least 4" wider in total than the Ody's 2nd row.

    I'll measure next time I see an Ody in person. Measure from the total seat width if you own an Ody, if you feel up to it.

    This is not a deal-killer by any means, but if you have 3 kids or carry 5 people often the Sienna 8 passenger model is the easiest way to do it. :shades:
  • maryh3maryh3 Posts: 263
    Seems everybody has a crystal ball when it comes to predicting the future value of vans. But of course everything is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Perhaps somebody with personal experience will show how wrong this can be.

    Originally purchased a 2000 T&C LXI in June 2000. Had a rebate plus dealer came down for $23500. In June 2000 the Odyssey was HOT. The base model was selling for 26500. I wanted the base model because 2 friends who owned the upper model were having problems with the power sliding doors. Even though my LXI definitely had more goodies on it the only difference I will note that was available on the Odyssey was leather which cost $28500. My decision was between a better equipped leather LXI for 23500 or a leather LX Odyssey for $28500.

    So in 2000 I saved $5000. My vehicle has had minimal repair. Other than maintainance I had 1 repair, a fuel pump at 167,000 for $550. Now at 172K, the difference between the 2 is roughly $1000 according to KBB. I am roughly $3500 ahead -- if and only if the Odyssey had required zero repairs which, given the history of its transmissions, seems unlikely.

    CR's predicted the reliabilty of the Chrysler as vastly inferior to the Odyssey. Guess who was wrong? Who in the heck could possibly predict the reliabilty of a new model vehicle for a company known for making small cars?

    Quit predicting the future. Years ago who would have predicted $2500 rebates for Odysseys either? A $2500 rebate on an Odyssey isn't bad, but I believe any 2007 T&C offers a $5000 dealer incentive right now. In general I believe a similarly equipped 07 T&C will be a couple thousand less than the Odyssey which definitely is reflected in resale numbers -- because they paid less in the first place. And these newer rebates for Odysseys will effect their future resale value too.

    The majority of the media is Liberals. Consumer Reports seems to be no different and will recommend companies who seems to support typical the Liberal agenda. Do your own observations.

    My $3500 savings from years ago is still paying off. Need to replace 2 tires and notced I had a full sized unused Michelin OE spare. Continues to save me $$ as I need to buy only 1 now.
  • maryh3maryh3 Posts: 263
    And if 4 kids all bring friends -- an Econoline would have been better.
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