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2008 Minivans



  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Odyssey "Magic Seat" was THE Best thing if a person wants to haul a large item on the spur of the moment even though other improvements have been made.

    Chrysler minivan Dual Zone Temp control for driver and front passenger is THE BEST comfort item that has been available on all but the very cheapest Chrysler minivans for MANY years.

    Sienna 60/40 split fold into the floor 3rd row seating was a great improvement over the Ody "Magic Seat".

    For me, the Odyssey still has and ALWAYS had the MOST COMFORTABLE seating for all 7 or 8 people. :shades:
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    That's what the roof rack is for.

    Stow-n-Go wins when it's raining, though.

    Try putting a computer desk with a hutch up on the roof rack. Or put a chest, dresser or six chairs up there. But as I say, if you mostly only haul people, most of the others are fine. Mine is a work horse, I use it for both people and hauling things and it still looks as good as the day I bought it three years ago this month. I got rid of a truck because of stow-n-go. I knew from my Brother's 2001 van, how much they could carry. I just didn't like taking the seats out of it. When stow-n-go came out, I jumped on it. Obviously so did he, as he traded his in for a 2006 Dodge Minivan. My Sister also has a 2006.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    For me, the Odyssey still has and ALWAYS had the MOST COMFORTABLE seating for all 7 or 8 people.

    I believe that. I also believe Chrysler's middle seats don't come near the comfort as the Toyota and Honda's. middle seats. But as I have stated, even though they are not as soft and nice, they are still comfortable. But you give up some of that softness for seats that can fold into the floor and for gobs of storage. If I were to mostly carry people and maybe only use the fold down seats and storage, once or twice a year, I would probably buy something else. At least up to the 2007 Dodge/Chryslers The new ones have so much more on them, I might still buy one just to get all their new stuff and that life time warranty. All depends on what your going to use it for.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    All of those items would easily fit in my Sienna if I simply tumble the 2nd row seats forward.

    Quest owners can also just fold the 2nd row down.

    Ody owners may have a problem, though, as the 2nd row seats do not tumble forward.

    Stow-n-Go would be the only way to get the full 8 feet of cargo length on the floor, of course, though I have have carried 4'x8' lattice panels inside with all 8 seats in place, only folded flat. Don't think I could do that with rigid plywood, though.

    Back to roof racks, though, I did carry a double chest on the roof rack of my Subaru Forester. Fully assembled, though it was pine, a relatively light wood.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    How am I going to carry my family and all this wonderful cargo?

    The point is that if I have no family with me, than you can fit just about all these items in ANY of these vans. If you do have your family with you, you will lose space, no matter if its Stow and Go or the Ody or Sienna system. You're still going to need to have seats up.

    So for me, this just isn't an issue.

    And can we FINALLY agree that seat comfort is subjective. I don't know how many times I have to say it--I've spent thousands of miles in the Grand Caravan Stow and Go seats, and I find them uncomfortable. Some may not, I do.

    For my needs, I'd rather have a very comfortable seat that doesn't fold down completely over, in my view, an uncomfortable seat that does.

    Someone else may have a different equation, but I submit that for the bulk of what people need, my experience is more normal.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    My daughter's SUV seats fold over and because of that, she can't get those things in because there was not enough room from seat backs to ceiling. You can lose 4-6 inches that way that you don't lose with stow-n-go. I am sure it would be the same with the Toyota and Honda, as thick as those seat backs are..

    Comfort is subjective. Most of the time, you would never set back there anyway. If seat comfort in the middle row is more important to you than storage and the convenience of hauling big stuff, than you have a lot of choices of what to buy. If comfortable, but firmer seats is ok in the second row and storage and convenience of hauling big stuff without pulling seats out and re installing them, stow-n-go is the only choice you have. All depends on what you use your van for. It's obvious, most people haul not much more than people in theirs.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    how well do rear-facing infant car seats fit into the T&C because from the photos, the seats angle up a lot? Anyone with experience? In my Freestyle, the second row seat is pretty horizontal, so the car seat fits great, but I was wondering on these really angled seats like the T&C, is there's some seat bottom adjustment to make them horizontal?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You can lose 4-6 inches that way that you don't lose with stow-n-go. I am sure it would be the same with the Toyota

    No, actually, you would not lose any floor-to-ceiling height on the Toyota.

    As I mentioned earlier, the seats fold and tumble forward, up against the front seats. You would lose a foot or so of cargo length, front to back, but you will not lose any height at all.

    The items you mentioned would fit easily in the Toyota.

    Here's a wild suggestion - maybe try a Sienna? :P

    Just kidding, though it might not hurt you to take a closer look at some competitors if you're going to talk about them often.

    Comfort is subjective

    On that we agree.

    I'd even go a step further, not only is comfort subjective, it's subjective for each individual, because we are all shaped differently.

    Example: people RAVE about the Recaro seats in the Mistubishi Evo, but I *hate* them and simply do not fit in them at all. To me they are completely unacceptable. To others they are the best seats in the industry.

    Totally subjective and individual.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The 2006 Sienna LE 2nd row seats are DIFFICULT to remove and replace compared to the Quad seats of my 2002 T&C LX. They are also NOT as comfortable as the T&C LX 2nd row seats or the Odyssey 2nd row seats.

    Additionally, the passenger side 2nd row seat of my 06 Sienna was installed incorrectly at the Toyota factory. I am not impressed with Toyota quality. :sick:
  • hause7hause7 Posts: 153
    You are the only person i know that does not like their Sienna. Why not get rid of it if it is garbage to you? all you do is complain about it. That is why we got rid of our previous Town&country, we complained on it's horrible quality and leaving my grandmother stranded more than once with under 30,000 miles. I personally think seat comfort of the Sienna is the best then the Odyssey, than the Town&country.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The point is that the Sienna is NO better and NO worse than the Odyssey, T&C, or GC. Each has advantages and disadvantages as I have described more than once.

    I LIKE the VERY comfortable driver's seat, largest cargo space behind the 3rd row seat, and the good gas mileage of my 06 Sienna. I also like my closest Toyota dealer who promptly sent me a 2008 Sienna brochure when I requested one on a routine customer service questionaire from the dealership.

    The Sienna is a very nice minivan and I have NEVER called the Sienna "garbage". :shades:
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Guess they're serious about hanging onto #1 minivan slot, if you don't total T&C numbers into it? I just built new T&C Limited and noticed $2000 rebate!! If they add another grand, and I get my buddy's employee discount, I might just bite.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You missed the point entirely...

    I was talking about tumbling the seats forward, not removing them.

    The entire conversation was about how much you could haul home if you could not remove the seats.

    It is very easy to tumble the seats forward. One knob to recline the seats, another knob to tumble them. They are spring-loaded so the process is very easy.

    What you are left with is a cargo area that gives up a little bit of length (about a foot, I'd guess), but you give up no height at all.

    The furniture haulding we were talking about would be no problem whatsoever.

    I know you feel the need to chime in repeatedly about the issues you have with your seats but can you ask at least wait until an appropriate (relevant) time? I think that's fair to ask. :sick:

    Thanks in advance.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    This is the Sienna you're talking about with tumble forward 2nd row seats. Does that include if you have a 2nd row bench? How long a load could you carry inside if you don't mind taking out a tape measure.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Maximum length is 95 inches at floor level when driver's seat and passenger seat are in positions my wife and I normally have the seats.

    Maximum length AT FLOOR level when 2nd row seats are folded and tumbled forward is 75 inches at floor level and 69 inches to back of tumbled 2nd row seat at 20 inches off the floor ( a loss of 20 inches length).

    Maximum length with 2nd row seat FOLDED (but not tumbled) with front passenger seat folded flat is 127 inches for an object up to 35 inches wide and 22 inches high if the item is placed on top of the folded front and right side 2nd row passenger seat folded flat.

    There is NO 2nd row bench seat in current Siennas. :shades: .
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    But you can get 3 seats in the 2nd row right? How long is the T&C's floor I wonder?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    You can buy either a 7 passenger or an 8 passenger Sienna. The 7 passenger has 2 second row bucket seats with 2 fold down armrests each while the 8 passenger Sienna has 3 second row bucket seats with NO armrests. You can remove the 2nd row center seat of the 8 passenger Sienna to have a 7 passenger Sienna but neither remaining seat will have an armrest. You can NOT make 8 passenger seating out of a 7 passenger Sienna. ;)

    The Odyssey has 2 bucket seats with 2 fold down armrests each in 2nd row with a a padded, removeable portion between the 2 bucket seats that is a very comfortable seat for anyone up to a 175 lb adult IF both inner armrests of the 2 bucket seats are in the "up" position and both bucket seats are slid forward or backward equally. :shades:
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    But if you have the three 2nd row bucket seats they all will flip and tumble forward right?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    My Sienna is only 7 passenger but I would assume the 2nd row middle seat would fold and tumble the same as the outside bucket seats.....unless the fold down middle tray between front seats interferes with the middle seat. :confuse:

    As I recall the 2nd row seats looked alike except there is NO armrest on any 2nd row seat of the 8 passenger models. :shades:
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The Chrysler T&C "Stow 'N Go" 2nd row seats are more comfortable than my Sienna 2nd row bucket seats but my Sienna 3rd row seats are more comfortable than the 3rd row seats of the T&C with "Stow 'N Go" due to the excessive tilt of the T&C 3rd row seat cushion.

    The 3rd row seats are more comfortable than the 2nd row seats in my Sienna but the driver's seat is THE most comfortable of all. ;)
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