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Half-ton Pickups - The full field



  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    But I can't spin like you. Olay! :P

  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Where did you get those screwy figures from? They are not in GM's press release. Now the problem for GM is those figures I posted ( Yes Dr they do include the Avalanche ) also include all the GMT800's ( Classic ) sold since the beginning of the year.

    This means that the GMT800's last year really kicked the hell out of the brand spanking new GMT900's. What is it about the new models that the buyers don't like?

    To get the sales of the 'New' Tundra you'd have to deduct Jan 07 sales and at least half of Feb 07 sales to get an accurate estimate. There were a few isolated 'Old' models left in March.

    This is even more important, in the mid-priced retail buyer segment which is the only small niche Toyota is really competing they may be way ahead of both the Ram and the Sierra and near the two biggies. Choosing the ground on which you want to do battle is often the first step to victory.

    It's also the most lucrative segment so that's the one to win.
  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,497
    ...are posted here, every month: Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer??

    The Avalanche is an SUV and shares very little with the Silverado besides the 4 doors and windshield... it's a Suburban with its rear roof removed.

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  • The Avalanche is just as much Pick-up as it is SUV, it has a BOX!!! And again, if the Av and Sierra buyers did not have these vehicles to choose from, which truck would they have bought? That is why it is more fair/accurate to include these buyers than to not include them. If Toyota offered more than just ONE option in LD trucks, they would most certainly have less Tundra sales as well. Think about it!!!
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    GM classifies and reports it as a 'full sized pickup' so just to keep consistent with the published stats I go with the Silvy and Av together.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    So I do as well.

    Nobody cares what somebody would've, could've, should've bought. There is a reason why they bought one model over another, or over another marque.

  • An article in the FoxNews business section says Sept. 2007 Toyota truck sales are down 5.7% from Sept. 2006, and Toyota car sales are down 3.5% from Sept. 2006, which was their best month ever. Ford pickups are down a whopping 21% from last Sept.

    Any sales comparison of the new Tundra vs. the old Tundra is like saying we sold more raisins this year than we sold cherries last year. Next year's Tundra sales figures will be much more meaningful.

    However, I think those figures indicate that sales overall of gas guzzling trucks is down. The economy is slowing (witness Fed Chariman Bernanke's recent loosening of the money supply), and gas prices have risen from last year.

    Well Duh.

  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    'Trucks', for reporting purposes, include both pickups ( +19% ), the Sienna ( -29% ) and all the SUVs ( -10% ). In total they were down ~5%.

    Link:Sept 07 and YTD sales

    It's the SUVs that are taking it in the neck at every vehicle maker. As gas stays at about $3 a gallon and most SUVs cost $30000 - $50000 this segment of 'trucks' is going to drag down the stats of every vehicle maker. This segment may never come back...
    ..a lot of them are being replaced by crossovers
    ..if gas goes to $5 a gallon only the filthy rich or those that absolutely need an 8-pass V8 will own them.

    Sequoia .... -29% YTD
    4Runner .... -17%
    Expedition . +18%
    Explorer ... -24%
    Durango .... -30%
    TB / Envoy . -26%
    Tah/Yuk .... -10%

    Pickup trucks OTOH are pretty stable except for Ford's planned contraction.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    Pickup trucks OTOH are pretty stable except for Ford's planned contraction.

    Maybe I missed something, but did Ford plan to lose market share, and then mount a large ad campaign as a defense of their truck's status as #1? I'm confused. :confuse:

  • I have a 2001 F-250 with the V10. Noticed a clicking on the passenger side of the engine. Found 5 broken (Rusted) manifold studs on that side. Found 4 on drivers side. Only have 50,000 miles on vehicle. Talked with a number of other F- series owners from 1998-2003, with both the 5.4 and V-10. All looked and found same problem. Dealer is pricing the repair at about 500.00 per side, if everything goes well. 1000.00 total. Extreme could be as high as 3000.00, if cab has to be removed. How many other F-series out there have the same problem? So far 100% of the owners I have talked with have the same problem
  • Friends don't let friends buy Ford! Might want to move up to a real truck, like the new Tundra.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Actually yes they did plan to lose market share, Doc. One of the statements made last year when they took their $13 Billion reorganization hit was that maintaining market share at the expense of profitability was dumb.

    They closed what was one of their best assembly plants for the F150 ( Norfolk ) which took over a hundred thousand vehicles out of production. The remaining plants were expected to increase production somewhat and thereby become more efficient. It's probably worked just like they planned. But the F150 is old and outside of the interiors it's at the bottom of the pack in most categaries. For the time being though the F-Series is still the top brand.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    When you get laid off, hope you can afford gas for your tundra

    I don't have a dog in this hunt, however the Tundra has brought more than 3000 jobs to San Antonio, boosted rail freight, added schools etc etc.
    It's not as straight forward as 'buy Japanese v. buy American' which I'm guessing was your point.
  • KCRam@EdmundsKCRam@Edmunds Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,497
    Debate the trucks, not the people commenting on them.

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  • I deleted my reply. Sorry bout that
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    way of the ranger. From class leading to the bottom of the heap with the last major redesign in 1998. Sometimes you just can't figure out what they are thinking.
  • bristol2bristol2 Posts: 736
    Ford is kind of a wild card right now.

    I will say that it looks like they did okay with the 'Taurus/ 500' switch so hopefully they will get it right with the F-150.

    With so much riding on the F-150 (Expy is dependant also)they better get it right or the N.America market is going to be lost.
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    And their 5.4 won't be replaced for another 3 years. :lemon:

    Toyota turns up the heat for 2008:

    You can get a 4WD DC with the 5.7 for less than $28k! :shades:

  • hey kcram, any word on when the next gen ford ranger is coming out? I've heard rumors that their Australian division has already re-engineered their version of the ranger that could make its way here. why is it taking so long to redesign this truck. its like a 20 year old chassis.
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