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Half-ton Pickups - The full field



  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Who ever said Toyota was crap? I didn't. The first person to use that word in this dialogue has been you. If anything it's been Toyota people denigrating the RAM.

    If Toyota people are going to be so critical of other people's machinery, please be prepared to have Toyota's performance and record be fairly and critically examined. Toyota most certainly does not have a unblemished record with respect to recalls. Furthermore, recalls are only half the story. Our Avalon was not officially recalled until long after we had a severe sludge problem, which I might add, Toyota profusely refused to believe was anything other than our fault. We received the recall on our '99 last November.

    How about sharing where the numbers you included in your last post came from. Some your numbers in the previous post don't make any sense.
  • Well . . . I like . . . no I love my Dodge and I wouldn't trade it in for any other truck. My family loves Toyota seeing as to how they're hispanic and that is all they like but I'm all American. I'm Getting a sticker for my truck that says: " My truck was made with tools not chopsticks" HA HA HA. J/K ;)
  • How exactly does that works ? You are all American but your family is hispanic?They like toyota because they are hispanic? WOW,..That explains why you choose a Dodge Ram that gets recalls 8 times in one year,Yea! Good luck with your contraption, you will need it, Feel free to go to for proof, truck was made with tools not chopstick ? It probably made it through one year without all those recalls,
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Since you're such a stickler for facts (but not so concerned about math or accuracy), that would be seven, not eight recalls. The suspension recall was against the aftermarket manufacturer of the pitman arm, not Dodge.

    By the way, my company has over twenty RAM pickups (2003-2006) and not one of them has ever been recalled. Neither has my son's 2003.
  • Why do you get so offended when it comes to Toyota? :lemon: :cry: :cry: :mad:
  • Tundra was designed and is built in the US by Americans.
  • But is still a Japanese company, so bye-bye profits, they go right back to the Land of the Rising Sun to support the Japanese economy.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I knew there was a reason behind the failing camshafts and trans. Built in the U.S. that would explain it...something like in the movie Gung Ho.
  • You guys whine because the Tundra is built by Americans for a foreign company. Wake up, this is a global economy. There is a reason that the Tundra was awarded the most significant new vehicle for 2007 by Edmunds. Big 3 are left in the dust by this beast.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    That be the Tundra's trans right?
  • Give it up Hank Hill (Troll)!The Tundra is here to stay ,i will gladly take the Tundra over getting burn in every ford there is, Or any silverado that gets recalled 4 times in one year, Or dooooge ram that gets recalls 8 times in one year . :sick: :lemon:
  • Ok, since we are all venting strong opinions here, I'll join the fray. I have owned an 02 Tundra, and still own an 02 Sequoia (basically the same thing in a four door). They are quality built, 1/2 trucks. Hard to beat on a quality yardstick.

    BUT, I traded in my 02 Tundra for the last of the pre-cat-back Diesel RAMS with the Cummins diesel for two compelling reasons: I need a ONE ton, with a dependable diesel to do some towing of an average 40 foot fifth wheel.

    You CAN'T do that with a Tundra, even the new one. Not safely, anyway. And not without an 8 mpg reality.

    In my opinion, Toyota blows it again, in that they contemplated putting a diesel in, and didn't. And to my knowledge they still aren't thinking beyond a beefy 1/2 ton.

    When and if they make a one ton, serious torque and HP diesel, with dually back tires on the blacktop truck, I'm all there. In the meantime, you can choose from Chevy, Ford, and Dodge to do the job based on your personal preferences. For me, I chose Dodge because of the Cummins motor. But Toyota wasn't even in the running because of the relatively limited towing capability, no matter how good a truck they build. It just ain't big enough yet! I hope they read this, and get down to it. Then maybe some competition would begin!
  • I see what you are saying Titanium,I have a friend who has one of the older rams with the cummins diesel,It is far from perfect but he said most people buys the truck because of the cummins motor ,He said he can only manage 10 1/2 mpg ,But he is in construction ,He has a cap with aluminum brakes,Two extention ladders,Generator,Compressor you name it ,And if you have not heard yet ,Toyota will unviel a new Tundra diesel dually soon ,(source autoblog)So hold on to your hat, :P
  • The 2007 SEMA Show in Las Vegas is not for another three and a half months, but Toyota is getting its ducks in a row preparing for what promises to be a big week in Sin City for the Japanese automaker. It's unveiling not one, not two, but three vehicles at SEMA, including the all-new 2009 Corolla. The current Corolla has been around the block a few more times than Toyota had planned, but still remains a popular vehicle for the company. The new model will include the familiar sedan body type, but also mark the return of a coupe/hatchback. We'll no doubt see a TRD version customized to the nines at SEMA, as well. If the fates are on our side, perhaps they'll show something rear-wheel drive (fingers crossed).

    Also present at SEMA will reportedly be a heavy duty diesel dually Tundra pickup designed to be a monster tow machine. It's only a concept and yet to be named, but the HD Tundra will be there to gauge crowd reaction to a dedicated heavy hauler from Toyota. The diesel will likely come from Hino, Toyota's commercial truck division, but Popular Mechancs reports that most of its engines are just too big for the Tundra's bay. The size issue could force Toyota to debut a new, smaller 4.5L diesel V8 that it's been working on. We'll have to wait and see what powers the Tundra concept, but we'd bet our last slot token that this particular Toyota will most certainly not be a hybrid.

    Finally, Toyota plans to introduce an FJ Cruiser Convertible concept at SEMA. Reportedly sporting a removable hardtop, sources say that the concept is likely a production prototype in disguise since going to all that trouble engineering a removable hardtop for one vehicle would be silly. To get an idea of what the FJ Cruiser Convertible will look like, take a peek at the aftermarket version.

    So there you have it – Toyota's 2008 SEMA lineup. Now that the information's out there, hopefully Toyota will start releasing official pics soon, as well.

    [Source: Popular Mechanics]
  • Well the parts are built by subcontractors OWNED by Toyota. Toyota is also having quality problems in its very own to imply that the US built parts are the reason things aren't working is retarded.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I need a ONE ton, with a dependable diesel to do some towing of an average 40 foot fifth wheel.

    You CAN'T do that with a Tundra, even the new one. Not safely, anyway.

    I'm sure some Tundra loyalist will disagree. For example,

    "#1550 of 1586 SUBJECTIVE FIRST 500 MILES by subjective Aug 20, 2007 (10:53 am)
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    The 07 Tundra 5.7 surely held up to the three quarter ton diesels as tested in the September issue of Consumer Reports. This test was an eye opener to me and I think it would be to most people that read it. I can tell you for a fact that my new Tundra would blow away my Hemi that I just sold. Those of you with doubts might like to get a copy and read the tests. I actually said closer to a three quarter ton than a half ton. I actually cant imagine how much closer you could get unless a new better generation of three quarter tons come out. My truck weights more than yours alone simply put does not cut it anymore!


    #1552 of 1586 Re: SUBJECTIVE FIRST 500 MILES [subjective] by bugchucker Aug 21, 2007 (8:40 am)
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    Replying to: subjective (Aug 20, 2007 10:53 am)
    Word is getting out to 3/4 and 1 ton owners. They won't even come up to the line against my Tundra anymore.

    So you see according to them you don't need no Ram diesel 1 ton...the Tundra will do it all :P
  • Like I say, I've owned both. Hook that 07 Tundra up to a 40 foot fifth wheel weighing 14,000 pounds loaded and haul it down the highway next to passing 18-wheelers. You'll be scared to death. Though, that might be a good'll want to get off the road anyway, so frequent gas station stops for the gasoline engine reality of 7-8 mpg at BEST will get addressed for ya!
    When Toyota does a diesel, one ton, dually, I'll be there. But they have tantalized us before with such speak (the new Tundra lineup was supposed to originally have a diesel option), and still haven't delivered. As I say, Toyota is a good product, but for real HD needs, it just comes up short. Not a critcism, just a reality.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I agree with the need for a one ton diesel truck. What concerns me is that some actually beleive what they read in Consumer Reports and somehow lose track of reality because Consumer Reports says so.
  • I agree that you do need a heavy duty turbo diesel for your 14K lb 5th wheeler and the Dodge is a good one. My 04 hemi was a good one with no problems, but I like my new Tundra better. I would never attempt to pull a trailer like yours with it. I like my new Tundra so much that sometimes I get carried away. If it holds up as well as my hemi, I will be very happy.
  • mule2mule2 Posts: 11
    To the man talking about hooking a tundra to a 40ft.trailer it would be crazy. I owned a dodge cummins it was a good truck.I got 14 mi per gal loaded. I own a new tundra now it will pull my 34 ft. jayco eagle 9700# easy.Thats all i need.12 miles per gal.The only thing i don't like about the diesel now is diesal is .30 cents a gal.higher. You will have more money left at the end of day with the tundra.I have a friend that wants to buy a new ford or dodge $45000.00 to $55000.00 to pull his camper to lake 6 times per year. Thats over kill.
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