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Chrysler T&C/Dodge Grand Caravan brakes

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  • Hope you got your answer already.
    FYI.

    My 2007 DGC has metric on the back. You might try something in metric on the front? Not every vehicle seems to be the same.
  • I ama mechanical engineer and at 36K miles the rear brakes where grinding and one side had worn pads. After removing both I ground down the guide slots of the cast iron the pad tabs go in ( with guide inserts) and found this to correct the problem. I feel this may be a factory defect on many of these vans. Just take off the cast iron assembly and use a dremel tool or hand file to grind some of the surface of both guides and this will correct the problem. Be sure to put your guide inserts back in with grease in the guide area. Hope this helps!
  • :confuse: I am the newly aquired owner of a well kept 1 owner DGC sport 03 ... i felt a little shake when I hit the brakes - so decided to take it in for service. I was told by everyone - no need to spend the extra $50 on ceramic brake pads with a lifetime warranty ... thats a joke. So I got the regular brake pads( whatever that meant) and they turned roters. Are ceramic pads better FOR REAL ???

    NOW - after replaced they are making a rubbinng noise ????? Took them back - they said the rotors needed a little more - something- to make it all even. OK - great - now the noise is gone - but the drivers side smells HORRIBLE after driving it........ HAHA - go figure ! They said it points to maybe a caliper needing to be replaced ... but they couldn't guarantee that when I called back to have it done under warranty because there was no leak or other indications!

    I LOVE MY VAN ... but I'm discouraged already with this little problem. HHHMM- then I get here and read all these brake & pad problems with other DGC owners.
    ANY THOUGHTS- IDEAS- SOMETHING???????????????

    :confuse:
  • srs_49srs_49 Posts: 1,394
    I would never put 100% ceramic pads on a vehicle unless it was going to be 1) tracked, or 2) hauling heavy loads on a regular basis.

    Ceramic pads are harder than organic or semi-metallic pads, so they are more abrasive to the rotors. Also, ceramic pads being designed for track use, need to reach an operating temperature for them to work at their full effectiveness. Not what most people need or want in their day to day driving.

    There are some ceramic composites out their (semi-ceramics?) that advertise to be the best of both worlds (better wear characteristics, low dusting, resistance to fade) without the downside of a pure ceramic pad, Those are probably what many people call ceramic pads nowadays.
  • chaswbchaswb Posts: 6
    I have owned 6 Chrysler mini-vans since 1986 with final mileages from 43000 to 91000. I have replaced brakes on 4 of these: '86 Caravan, front - 65K, rear - 79K; '90 Voyager, front - 78K, rear - 85K; 97 Voyarer, front - 51k; '01 T & C, none in 45K; '05 Grand Caravan, front - 35K; '09 Grand Caravan, pads very good at 6K. The first 3 were driven in upstate NY, the last 3 in Houston, TX. So for me the difference in the mileage I got on the pads was the driving location. I use the brakes a lot more in Houston than I did in NY.
  • Sorry this took awhile to post, but the problem ended up being a leaking rear wheel cylinder. The back brakes were not doing any work causing the front brakes to overheat. So now the entire brake system is brand new. :shades:
  • tsu670tsu670 Posts: 293
    Any idea as to whether Chrysler has found the cause of the premature brake wear issue on its minivans, and fixed the problem on current 2010 production models? Thanks.
  • I don't understand why this is not a recall...not dangerous enough? How about a class action lawsuit?
  • clubguyclubguy Posts: 15
    Been viewing this forum since purchasing our "08 T&C in August 0f 08.
    The premature brake wear problem has been posted many times and I wanted to share my experience..At 21000 I had my service department,Kings CJD in Cincinnati, check the brakes before a trip of potentially 3000 miles...Although they had performed all the service, oil changes and tire rotation, since new, and everything was OK at the 18000 mile service, I wanted to be certain everything was OK for this trip...The rear brakes were OK but the fronts would most probably not made it another 3000 miles...They replaced the pads and rotors, even though the originals were not completely wornout...Total cost was $75.00...We do have the MaxCare extended warranty with $75.00 deductable BUT it is very clear that pads and rotors are NOT covered....At this point I feel this was very fair..
  • 2009tc2009tc Posts: 1
    :sick: My rotors on my 2009 Chrysler Town and Country warped at 9200 miles. They turned all the rotors and I still have issues.
  • clubguyclubguy Posts: 15
    Seems to me that the rotors should have been replaced not resurfaced...Not certain if Chrysler even recommends that the rotors be resurfaced...????
  • umpblueumpblue Posts: 2
    Bought Car with 2798 miles on it first brake job performed with 3686 miles (replaced front brake pads) second brake job performed with 21000 miles (replaced front brake pads and resurfaced rotors) with 29711 miles on the car we took it in and stated the front brakes are still grinding dealer stated it wasn't the front brakes it's the rear so we replaced the rear brake pads and machined rear rotors. With 34500 mile now on the car dealer reccomends front brake pads and machine rotor. Three brake jobs with only 34500 miles on it seems excessive. Dodge definitely has issues with brakes. This is my third van and in the past I have not had any issues with brakes until now.
  • umpblueumpblue Posts: 2
    I have had the same issues bought van with 2798 miles and have had three brake jobs performed. Currently have 35000 mlles
  • fpeckfpeck Posts: 7
    I have posted on here before, and finally gave up the fight. I finally traded in the van after 3 brakes repairs, sliding door repairs, third row seat repairs, electrical repairs. I lost 8,000.00 in trade value and had to put in 5,000 cash to get rid of it. I wrote President Obama a letter and asked him to review Chrysler's customer service record on this website. It is a shame that he assisted them with a bailout, and now they turn they backs on customers. Sounds like the Evil servant of Matthew 18 in the Bible. So I guess that was my last step. I dont have the van, I dont have my money back, and I feel disappointed in the USA's level of "customer service"...It's not just Chrysler though, seems like it is all manufacturers and retailers alike. Good luck to all. I hope some issues are resolved in my lifetime.
  • I have a 2010 Grand Caravan with 18,000 miles. The rear breaks are squealing like a pig. I had the dealer check them and they told me they are not worn, but need a $100 break service performed. I plan on pulling them apart today myself to look at.
    To answer your question... Apparently not... Had I known this and done better research ahead of time, I never would have purchased this vehicle. My last car also had 4 wheel disc breaks, and the rears didn't need to be touched until around 70,000 miles.
  • Ok I am a little shocked by the crazyness and the non sense talk about the minivans that YOU people own NOT Chrysler. At what point do you say this is MY vehicle and I AM responsible for the repairs that need to be completed on my vehicle? I own a 2009 T&C and I did have to replace front breaks at about 27,000 miles. As you can see I drive alot and that was not anything out of the ordinary to me and I went and had them changed at a dealer no big deal..... Later got the warranty letter and great a little extra cash back in my pocket. I think if you can not afford to do repairs or maintenance on YOUR car maybe you should look into the option of a bus pass, that maybe more in your price range. :)
  • glenglen Posts: 17
    I just replaced the front brake pads on my 07 work van at 23,000 miles. Brakes have given me service for over 100k miles on other vehicles so I thought this was odd on the T&C.

    I think the problem stems from a few things;

    1) When you take your foot off the gas pedal, the engine does not respond instantly to use the braking action from the engine to help slow you down. Instead, It continues to provide forward momentum to the van for a brief moment which if you are slowing down causes you to apply the brakes more. I think it's a smog thing -burning off excess gases on deceleration.

    2) The transmission along with the gearing is very aggresive on keeping the van moving forward which requires the driver to apply the brake with more force.

    3) The engine (mine is a 3.3) provides quite a bit of torque at very low RPM's which agravates the above conditions

    I also think Chrysler did some of these things to increase fuel mileage on the van.

    When the van was purchased, I noticed right away that I would have to change my driving habits from the other vehicles by taking my foot off the gas sooner than I normally would when slowing down and allowing extra distance between the car in front of me as a buffer zone. If I didn't do these things the pads woould probably last half as long.
  • ricschricsch Posts: 540
    Anyone else notice excessive brake dust build-up on their 2010 Grand Caravan rear wheels?

    We have one with the alloy wheels and the rear wheels get quite dirty with brake dust, where as the fronts stay very clean in the same time period.

    Braking operation feels fine so far, with 10k on the vehicle, but the signs of the brake dust would suggest something isn't right.

    Will definitely have the dealer check it out on it's next service.
  • Have you received a letter from Chrysler concerning premature pad wear? Depending upon the mileage and age, they will pay for pads and rotors, if needed, after varying deductibles. I have a 2009 Grand Caravan and received the letter about 3 months ago. My braking action is not as smooth as my wife's Malibu, but pad wear after 10,000 miles looks normal to me. However if I really have to stand on them, I get almost a grinding sound. I don't think it's the anti-locks working because I don't feel any pumping action in the pedal. The pads are thick enough to keep the low pad indicators from hitting the rotors. As long as they continue to stop me, I'll just keep a close eye on the thickness and bring it into a dealer if I begin to have a problem.
    In answer to you question, my front wheels get dustier than the rears.
  • ricschricsch Posts: 540
    We haven't received any notice from Dodge/Chrysler about the premature wear but I will inquire with the dealer. Thank you for the reply.
  • I have a 2010 Touring with the 4.0 V6 that is just over 2 months old and has 2200 miles on it. I completely agree with your analysis that the vehicle coasts well and seems to have little to no "rolling resistance". In fact I commented to my wife not long after we got it that I've never driven a vehicle that coasts/rolls with so little effort and to me that could be what is cause of excessive break wear (which I hope I don't experience!). I have also "re-learned" how to drive with this van since it requires very little gas pedal effort and lots of planning ahead for stop lights/signs for in town driving. I like it, but while I assume this easy rolling would help gas mileage I have yet to reach stated EPA numbers despite a solid mix of city and highway driving. Our van has the 16" wheels with the junk Yoko tires, too...can't wait to get rid of them but don't look forward to the cost.
  • kope49kope49 Posts: 15
    edited November 2010
    My 2008 has 36,000 miles on the "junk Yoko" tires and I am about to trade them on Michelin's even though I could probably get 6 more months.The best quote I found for the Michelin's (Costco) is $698 - OUCH! I fully expect to see an improvement in gas mileage - right now with the 3.8 I am getting 18 in mixed city and highway. My first cold weather fillup this weekend after mostly city driving I only got 14.5.
  • Try the Cooper CS4 I like mine
  • After a year the problem came back. Now I am told to replace proportioning valve. I'll let you know.....
  • stankovicvstankovicv Posts: 1
    edited March 2012
    I bought a 2010 Grand Voyager in Australia (same as Town & Country in US). At my 2nd service at 24,000kms/9months I was told I needed to replace pads AND rotors as there are under "minimum thickness" and therefore unroadworthy.

    After being told its a wear and tear item and therefore not covered by warranty I jumped on Google only to find this happens on 300Cs as well and its common for all Chryslers built around 2008 onwards. It seems to be common on Nissans too.

    Most people know pads shouldn't wear that quickly let alone rotors that really should last over 100,000kms. However, I also can't believe how many accept Chrysler's story that its not covered and simply keep paying to replace them almost every service. Has this world gone mad?

    Here in Australia we are protected by Consumer Laws which state products MUST last and work properly for a reasonable time. But instead of taking Chrysler to court (again) I believe this is a safety risk. Somewhere between my first and second service my car became unroadworthy. With many 300Cs it happens between EVERY service. I'm awaiting the Department of Infrastructure's decision on this who are also waiting for Chrysler's reasons with why they shouldn't recall all Chryslers. In the meantime, I had Chrysler call me to have my brake rotors AND pads replaced under warranty :-) Do I detact FEAR in their voice???

    Seriously, this could have been managed with good customer service but yet again they chose to treat me like I was unreasonable in my expectations.

    Chrysler don't have much of a market share in Australia so you Americans need to be screaming at Top Care. Check the law in the US and see if you have any vehicle safety standards. Chrysler make a good car but they'll shoot themselves in the foot if they don't pay attention to the quality of their parts. Go teach them a lesson in Customer Care!!!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,440

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • mcg7mcg7 Posts: 5
    yes.we have a 2009 grand caravan and have had nohing but problems with the brakes among other things.we have had pads/rotors replaced 3 times.ridiculous. we need to file class action lawsuit.this is not normal.safety issue!!!!
  • mcg7mcg7 Posts: 5
    edited May 2012
    you are an idiot!!!!so only the rich need get a van???? sounds like someone who has always had everything handed to them. some people actually have been affected by the recession you damn idiot!!!
  • moparnikmoparnik Posts: 1
    Yeah, I have. We just bought a 2010 Touring (4.0 Liter) with ~23k miles on it as a dealer certified pre-owned. I've had it for a month and the brakes make a serious grinding feel when braking hard like when expressway traffic suddenly slows in front of you. I took it in today and they said I had 65% of the pads left but would be replacing the pads and rotors due to a "service bulletin". I have a bad feeling about this and after reading all the other reports (not just on Edmunds) about the T&C brakes.

    Like you I noticed a great deal of brake dust on the rear alloys which is pretty unusual since the fronts are always dirtier than the rear on almost any car--as you would expect. By the way, as my handle suggests I've been a lifelong Mopar guy and even though this is my third Dodge/Chrysler minivan, I keep looking at other brands so this may be my last.
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