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Acura TL 2009

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  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Acura reps at the Chicago auto show knew little about the '09, but all said it would debut in September. Some thought it might be introduced at the New York show, but it looks like it will be the TSX instead. Some said there will be two engines, one with SH-AWD, and rv65 is probably right on the money when he says the 3.5 for the base and 3.7 for the AWD. That would be my educated guess, based on what little info I could get at the auto show.
  • It sounds like people are saying that the new TL Type-S will have the same engine as the RL. Is that true? That would pretty lame if that is the case! I have a 2007 Type-S and it has 29 more HP than the standard TL. If the new TL will use this 286 HP engine, the Type-S will only have 14 more HP! That would suck and definitely prevent me from wanting a new one. We need more than 300 HP on the Type-S! We need a turbo option also. Acura needs to understand that BMW, Infiniti, and Lexus are bringing serious HP in their new models. So if we are willing to pay for it, Acura needs to bring the thunder with the Type-S and twin turbos! No half stepping!
  • I just would like to say as a loyal Honda customer that I am done with their vehicles. I am tired of waiting for them to develop a rear wheel drive vehicle. It will never happen. I will buy a 1 or 3 series BMW. Why buy a car that is always chasing another competitor when you can have the fastest and best handling vehicle on the market. Has anyone seen this new RL or TSX. How do you like that huge grill or that flashy chrome. It looks like a flucking Hyundai. All Honda has is reliability and that is not good enough for the enthusiasts dollar. :mad:
  • Does anyone know what Acura's deal is with saying they want to get to Tier-1 in the market? Are we talking about twin-turbo cars with top shelf electronics and styling? That RL looks decent for what it is but the TL has to look way better and have much more performance than 300HP. The BMW 335i and G37 will kill this car unless they really push the envelope. There is no need to buy one of these unless they make a TL model that can hang or beat the 335i. I don't see any other way to compete at this level. Do you?
  • jwaggonerjwaggoner Posts: 22
    Your right they cant compete. Not with styling like the RL and TSX, poor balance and weak torque. I think you will find the new TL will look alot like the TSX just bigger. And whats with this new cocky direction Acura is going with Tier 1, Super handling, Advance my [non-permissible content removed]. They are trailing big time. I dont believe they will sell near as many cars with this new generation of cars.
  • dap2006dap2006 Posts: 68
    I'm afraid you're correct. I own a 2006 and I've been waiting to see the 2009, hoping Acura will provide a substantial upgrade - the new RL has me worried. I'm still waiting, but I've been seriously checking out the 335i in the meantime. If Acura doesn't come through with the upgrade I'm ready for I'll be working my next deal with the BMW folks, for sure...
  • ldsilverldsilver Posts: 3
    Does anyone know of a site that tells you the number of TLs and RLs sold in the US for model year 2007? Please advise. Thanks
  • nacho2nacho2 Posts: 82
    I love the rear of the acura tl,and my 08 tl drives fantastic, I comparing my experience to after owning a 07 m35x,q45,Lexus es300,06 accord ex v6.
  • nacho2nacho2 Posts: 82
    The new Accords look ugly,even the dealers acknowledge this.with exception to the coupe.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    The appearance and the general bloatedness of the new Accord are what drove me straight to the Nissan dealer to buy an Altima.

    But, let's hope Honda doesn't mess up the 2009 TL...
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    Acura has agreed to you. 2 v6's. One will be from the 09 RL and will have SH-AWD. Could be a type-S. The RL facelift is a bandaid until the 2011 model year. That will be when Acura starts its Tier 1 transformation.
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    So hopefully we will see this new TL at the NYC Auto Show next week.
    I am taking a personal day off the week of the 24th just to avoid going to the show on the weekends. Going to the car show on the weekends is like going to an amusement park and waiting on lines just to sit in the car.I want to personally examine the E350, GS350 and hopefully the new TL without any salesman nagging me about leaving a deposit.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,731
    I miss the NYC show, attended it on/off since the '60s (at The Coleseum with my Dad, Columbus Circle IIRC!) NE show is a bit of a disappointment in comparison. I too go midweek to avoid the, well, folks like me!

    Look forward to any reviews you care to post.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • syrsyr Posts: 10
    Anyone know how 09 prices will compare to 08's?
    Thanks.
  • upstatedocupstatedoc Posts: 710
    That's at the Guggenheim right? I was there a few years ago, great show. Bring your camera phone in case they show the '09 TL, I'm sure everyone will be interested in the photos.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,731
    Guggenheim? Or the Javits Center? Was at the Javits when I went (when I still lived in CT) after leaving The Coloseum...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    Javits Center for the past few years.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    I do not think the '09 TL will debut at the New York auto show. I believe what I heard at the Chicago auto show is that if anything new is shown, it will be the TSX.
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I am basing my assuptions on past experience, the 2nd and 3rd generation were debuted at the NYC Auto Show. I dont remember how they debuted the 1st generation.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    As Carnac the Magnificent predicted, the new Acura to be shown at the NY Auto Show will be the TSX, not the TL. Sorry, guys. You'll have to wait a while longer.
  • So did you see the new 2009 TL at the NYC auto show? I am dying to see how it looks like!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    i don't know who will see what, but be sure to check our Auto Show pages to see if there's anything up - I know we have some people there:
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  • I am driving a 06 TL. It's got great style and class. I can take the girlfriend out on a Friday night with my 06 TL and yet drive my mother to Sunday Church. You know what I mean......the car is COOL for the ladies and comfortable for the family.

    I had a 2001 3.2 TL before and had driven it for years. The handling was great, smooth SMOOTH acceleration (feels like it never changes gear) and very firm on the highway. Cornering, not so great but its a family sedan so I never thought it would turn like a Honda Civic. I expected the same performance for my 06 TL when I bought it a year and a half ago. But that was not the case. The 06 TL handles a bit rough and stiff on the road. It’s a much bumpier ride compared to its predecessor The 3.2 TL and the acceleration - hard to explain - it feels like a BMW. In fact, the interior design and the overall handling is like a BMW 3 series: good cornering abilities and rapid acceleration on dry roads. The current TL is a true SPORT sedan. But it is too much of a sport sedan, like the BMWs (not the xi series), the car is NOT design for driving on snow. Even with contraction control, VSC system and FRONT WHEEL drive (on 4 seasons tires), the current TL slides, slips and skids on almost every red and green light on more then 5-7 cm of snow, and turning on snow - don't even mention it. My old 2001 3.2 TL drives wonderful on snow, never had to worry!

    Though the front seats of the 3.2 TL are definitely not as comfortable as the standard Bucket seats in the current TL, I am disappointed at Acura for designing this half [non-permissible content removed] and half European Acura TL. Why? The most important reason is when the car is on the Highway. At roughly 120 kms/hr to 130 kms/hr, the steering wheel will suddenly become light and too sensitive but at speeds under or over that this problem disappears. I think this is a serious issue of safety. It took me a few months to totally adapt my driving to this steering issue. I regretted that I didn't test drive my 2006 TL before purchasing. I have asked others who own a current TL and most say they experience the same issue with steering wheel at highway speeds. I don’t know if that’s your case as well.

    Well... I am still a BIG fan of Acura. I have never own anything else except for Acuras since 1998. I have HIGH HOPES for the New 2009 Acura TL with the Super-handling 4 Wheel Drive System. I hope this NEW 09 TL will be a merge of the best qualities from both the old 3.2 TL and the current TL. But for sure, this time I will test drive it on the highway before purchasing.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,341
    "...it feels like a BMW. In fact, the interior design and the overall handling is like a BMW 3 series..."

    Have you actually driven a BMW 3-Series? The reason I ask is that, while the new TL may be a good FWD imitation of a 3-Series, automotive writers and others have said that a FWD, no matter how sports oriented, simply can't handle like a RWD sport sedan. The laws of physics preclude it. For one thing, the weight distribution is significantly different.

    I've always wondered whether this FWD/RWD difference only or mainly applies to very aggressive driving, or if it applies to ordinary driving or spirited driving too. Opinions?
  • I have owned a BMW 3 series before. It was a 1992 BMW 318 i sedan. The reason why i got rid of it and got myself an Acura was because the RWD BMW handles poorly on snow. Its a summer car and had the same steering wheel issue on highway speeds (120 kms to 130 kms) like the current Acura TL.

    Your point is exactly what I was trying to say. "the currently New TL may be a good FWD imitation of a 3-series." IF you compare the interior design of the current TL with a 1999-2005 3 series, you will see many of the same design cues. Especially with the style and lines of the door panel and the passenger side front dash - deja vu !! But don't get me wrong, I love the way my 06 TL looks from the inside out. It's just the handling that I am not to happy with. Though the current TL is a FWD, it slides, slips and skids like the RWD 318 i that i had.

    I have never driven a FWD car that handles that poorly on snow. With my 06 TL, I have to check the weather forecast like I did before when i had my 318 i prior to going out in the winter. I DONT WANT TO BE STUCK IN SNOW ! Which did happened 3 times this winter with my 06 TL. I did not once experience that when I was driving the 2001 3.2 TL.

    I look forward to the ALL NEW 2009 TL with the AWD as a standard!
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,731
    "I have never driven a FWD car that handles that poorly on snow..."

    Ditto (so dissapointingly so) re: my '05 TL. Finally threw in the towel, after replacing the OEM Bridgestone's last summer with even worse in the snow Toyos, and bought Dunlop Winter tires. Much better now, although since I mounted the snows, not much snow to drive in (plows are too darn efficient!). But, when I did drive in the snow, much better...

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    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,341
    I've read your comments with interest regarding how this last generation TL handles in snow, and it gives me some pause regarding buying one because, why put up with the negatives of FWD if traction is not good? You at least want the benefit of good traction, as a tradeoff for handling that, while very good, would be better with RWD. I'm thinking that a set of snow tires would correct matters, but, then, they shouldn't be a requisite on a FWD car, except in places like the upper Midwest and northern New England.

    I'm the original owner of a '99 Tl with 109,000 miles, and I couldn't be happier with it. The ride/hadnling tradeoff is good. I understand Acura softened the ride of the ccurrent generation TL just a little, beginning with the '07 model.

    I'm not thrilled with the notion of AWD, because of the extra weight, complexity, a lower fuel economy compared with two wheel drive. I hope SH-AWD is an option on the '09 TL.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,731
    I agree with you re: FWD. As I've oft noted, I'm a lifelong New Englander and skier. I've purposely bought (fun) FWD cars (e.g. VW Scirocco, Acura Integra, Mitsu Mirage Turbo) for the snow advantages of FWD. Until the '05 TL, it has served me more than well. Oh, well.

    Still, the TL is a fab ride. Given I don't track or regularly drive 9 or 10/10ths, the TL goes where I point it with little drama. And, if I play the right peddle correctly, it swiftly goes in a straight line, all the while looking great with a lovely audio system. My family fits inside as do my skis with the pass through. I average 23mpg commuting. Nice ride and NVH. I really think Honda does FWD about as well as it can be done. I chose the TL over the G35x for a number of reasons, including not wanting the added weight and complexity of AWD. Snows can be swapped... In summary, FWD has never been a negative to me.

    Having written this, had I known how poorly the TL was in my white gold, I might have given more consideration to a 3 or RWD G... Now that I have snows/rims, I'm hoping that they will fit my next ride as I will be considering rwd seriously. As well as FWD and possibly AWD (Audi A/S5?!).

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,341
    "...I really think Honda does FWD about as well as it can be done..."

    I agree.

    Your comments are enlightening.

    I'd mount snow tires on a FWD car in winter if I lived in or traveled to the snow belt (I live in the Mid Atlantic region}. One of my cars is a RWD 3-Series, and snows make a significant difference in the traction on slippery surfaces.

    I await the '09 Tl with much interest, but I'm concerned that, like the new Accord, the TL may grow too large. I'll also look at the '09 TSX and the all new Audi A4.
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