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Acura TL 2009

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  • No wonder the 09 TL design is poor. This poor guy who designed it doesn’t know what the heck he’s talking about:

    “The design philosophy is key edge dynamic. What is key edge dynamic? It’s technology which is precise machine building and sheer high tech…. on the other hand we have emotion; human dynamic sensual… flowing character lines gives sensual surfaces, you get an emotional sensual quality… all this creates the key edge dynamic for an overall emotional and dynamic design… make it more dynamic… on road dynamic… this strong centerline break front and rear; this is the language we’re strengthening with Acura… negative break on the trunk; it’s new it’s innovative…a little more fluid more modern and new…a little more dynamic shape to give it a more general dynamic.”

    Okay Art, we get it. It’s dynamic. It’s also hideous. Sorry for mocking the TL, it’s just that I can’t stand people who use the word they are defining in the definition.

    I’ve officially scratched the TL off my list.
  • vibsrvibsr Posts: 47
    I agree. The new TL's styling is overdone. While the hardware is first-rate, the current styling for 2009 Acura TL and TSX models will keep me out of their showrooms. They don't have that "clever owner" look anymore. :(
  • Acura calls the design concept behind both the 2009 TSX and TL "Keen Edge Dynamic". It has two components--technology (which they don't go into in the TL video) and the emotional, sensual impact of the car, which is mentioned throughout the video. The "flowing and sensual" side body is combined with the sharper angular graphics of the front and rear. The designer said that the combination of the two concepts makes the car much more dynamic and that's the reason the front and rear of the have been changed so much. Acura must really believe that because the designer uses the word "dynamic" nine times in the 4 1/2 minute video.

    I wonder how many people and how many hours it took to come up with the term "Keen Edge Dynamic". I think it may have come from a new language-- "Acura-ese".
  • hap35hap35 Posts: 2
    Acura has made a giant mistake with the design of the front grill, a mistake of Edsel proportions. My prediction: this will be a watermark car for Acura, and not in a good way. I finally figured it out: the front end of the 2009 TL looks like a jack-o-lantern with the curving mouth under the fat lip "power plenum" grill. The spy photos I have seen of the rear are also a mess, the V shape wedge look does not translate well to the rear of a car. The 2004-20008 TL was a classy looking car. What were they thinking? I've seen this grill on the 2009 TSX and it looks awful there too.

    The Subaru Tribeca had a really ugly grill when it was introduced a few years ago (resembled a toilet seat), and public reaction was so bad it was changed after a year to something more reasonable. Good for Subaru, bad for the people who bought the first-year car with the original ugly grill - their resale value tanked.

    Look for Acura's sale on the TL to drop like a stone. And, as pointed out above, the designer's discussion of "key edge dynamic" just illustrates they picked a moron to design this car. Talk about pretentious and just plain nonsense - he should get a new job writing regulations for the federal government, his mindless style of discussion is alive and well there. I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but they ought to make an exception to that rule for the 2009 TL.

    Hap
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    The description is offensive, in a way, in that the speaker comes across as one who uses vague mumble jumble words to hype a design, which, quite frankly, looks mediocre. It seems to me that those same words could be applied to any number of cars, including, perhaps, Detroit iron from the '50s and '60s, making the description meaningless. You can't compensate for unattractive design with fancy, contrived wording.
  • mikey38mikey38 Posts: 141
    I get an emotional response when I look at the 09 alright, but I dont think getting sick to my stomach was the response Acura was looking for. I'll be keeping my 06 for a while.
  • fxguyfxguy Posts: 132
    Acura should send that idiot designer to a public speaking class or keep him locked up in the basement designing future ugly Acuras. He kept on repeating the same "dynamic" nonsense over and over again! :mad:
  • sbtattersbtatter Posts: 47
    Since when did dynamic become code for "butt ugly"?!! I think the value of my 07 TL type S just went up, thanks to the awful styling of this 09 TL....What is with that ugly nose, honestly, what were they thinking? Had Acura's for 11 years, now I'm going to have to leave the marque, it may perform well but anyone riding around in that styling job's going to be a laughing stock..."You paid how much to drive the ugliest car on the street?"
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Sounds like it's a competent performer, with some serious hardware, but boy, it ain't pretty! The interior's alright, but there is simply no cohesion to the exterior design. It is a collection of styling cliches. When the Maxima actually looks better, you know it's in trouble! That, plus the added bulk, would likely discourage me from considering it. I would have to either buck up for a BMW 3-series, or wait for the diesel or V6 TSX.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,209
    I wouldn't call the '09 TL ugly, but it lacks the "wow" and "gotta have it" factors of the '99-'03 and '04-'08 generations. The '09 doesn't look better than its Accord counterpart, as the two previous generations did. As a premium car, it should be more aesthetically appealing - sleeker and more elegant - than the Accord, but it doesn't seem to be. This TL doesn't move me to want to pay the premium required over the Accord. And, yes, the overall look lacks cohesiveness.

    In conclusion, it's not ugly, but it's styling doesn't inspire or excite, either. The '09 Audi A4 looks more elegant and coordinated, for example. I'm not comparing reliability here, just exterior and interior styling.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,382
    I'll wager he's a defected Arts and Science guy from Caddy! Gotta be!

    Regards,
    OW
  • mquillenmquillen Posts: 71
    Acura's used to be tastefully designed cars. It seems that now everything in their lineup is going to the "cow catcher" front end. Chris Bangle is no longer the worst automotive designer.
  • upstatedocupstatedoc Posts: 710
    .....and no cassette player. :cry: :P
  • dtd1dtd1 Posts: 10
    I completely disagree. This car has a huge "wow" factor . . . as in "wow, how could they design such an ugly car." I hand wash my cars and would be afraid that front end would take off a few fingers. As for the rear end, what can you say aside from "yikes!"

    I've been eyeing a TL Type S for a while and fearful the new TL would trump it. The new one makes the old look so much better. While likely a step up from a technology perspective, the design is a huge step backwards.
  • looks like there is push button start...
  • Have you ever seen the movie the Incredibles? The scene where the fashion designer was explaining to Mr.Incredible that she never looks back-on her older designs.I think thats what Acura is doing here, they are looking ahead and quiet frankly, I think I like the car.Someting different, a new spice to the streets.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Art sounds like a total idiot in that video. If I hear "key edge dynamic" one more time, I think I will hang myself. I think "techno robotic" is a better description of the TL, or better yet "razor edge vomit" How about a big "WTF" for Acura's design team!!
  • ingvaringvar Posts: 205
    Car looks ugly. 5 speed AT? Honda, it's 2008 already:-)
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    the size...5 inches longer, and 2 inches wider than the current model, with no real significant increase in passenger and cargo space. That, for me, is as much a downer as the styling. :cry:
  • The new Maxima wins this race hands down. Nicer exterior and interior for $thousands less.
  • Are we sure the Max is thousands less seeing that we only know the range will be from 34K to 42K for TL pricing? I know that the Max SV with premium package and Nav is easily $38K. We'll see for sure in the next few weeks......
  • slim83slim83 Posts: 25
    http://jalopnik.com/400172/2009-acura-tl-revealed-sh+awd-is-the-new-type+s

    Does anyone know when Acura will release additional information on its website?
  • Yes, MSRP for Maxima SV with premium and tech package is $38k. BUT - the purchase price is around $35.5k. I doubt the comparable TL purchase price will be below $38.5k. It's a lot easier to play off multiple Nissan dealers vs. one or two Acura dealers in a market.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    The embargo is August 17th. Some sites are adhering to the embargo. Those sites probably have more honor and integrity.
  • alko1alko1 Posts: 9
    The Pontiac Aztec has returned from the grave! Run for your lives!
  • sbtattersbtatter Posts: 47
    I wonder if any of them are on here to see the negative comments regarding design? How did the design get past the focus groups, let alone off the drawing board? Being different is a laudable goal, being different by taking a beautiful, understated design (current TL) and changing it onto a crass, ugly, look at me Aztec/tribeca way is unforgiveable....
    On the bright side the exhaust tips look good, the interior is alright (but also a tad overstyled), why did you do this to me Acura?
  • 604doc604doc Posts: 182
    Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but what is the "embargo" all about? :confuse:
    Thanks,

    Nelson
  • Looks are subjective- I did a poll here in my office with around seven people and 4 out the bunch liked the car.
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