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Acura TL 2009

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  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,631
    The same questions could be posed to BMW re: The Bangled 7, 5, 3, Z4 etc. Some of these sell/sold well. I suppose some people can look beyond what they perceive to be an unattractive face to enjoy a sparkling personality!

    I'm not sure I'm that deep, though... ;)

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • docrwdocrw Posts: 94
    Car manufacturers will allow magazines and internet sites access to their cars before they are officially announced so that the reviews can be completed and published to coincide with, or slightly precede, the official announcement. An embargo is the agreement signed by the magazines and internet sites not to publish their reviews before a specific date set forth by the manufacturer to prevent details from coming out too soon before the car is officially announced. That way the manufacturers can focus the press coverage of their car into a period of time around the announcement to maximize the effect.
  • 604doc604doc Posts: 182
    Thanks for clearing that up. It's funny, I've been "into" cars most of my life and read a bunch of different magazines, watch all the shows, etc., and never heard the term used before. Thanks again. :)

    Nelson
  • vaughn4vaughn4 Posts: 106
    The only (and I mean only) thing that may get their attention about this hideous design is if sales of the ghastly beast plummet and even that is debatable given the lack luster sales of their RL and their continued pursuit of the current version of that model; otherwise, they will consider it a success. Acura/Honda I find is an EXTREMELY stubborn manufacturer and only a dip in their pocket book will get their attention.
  • >Looks are subjective- I did a poll here in my office with around seven people and 4 out the bunch liked the car.

    To put it another way, it means that three out of the seven people didn't like the way it looks. That's over 40%. Of course, seven people is a very tiny sample and indicates nothing. But if a large a percentage of the public feels the same way, I believe that Acura can't be very encouraged. I'm sure they thought that the initial reaction to their "Keen Edge Dynamic" concept would be very positive. After reading the responses in this forum, that definitely doesn't appear to be the case.

    I've been looking forward to the 2009 TL as being the replacement for my 2003 3.2 TL. But after seeing the mess I think they've made with the design, I'm looking elsewhere. I'm sure that technically, the 2009 TL will be a wonderful automobile, but its appearance (especially its increase in size and that grotesque front end) absolutely ruins it for me.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I don't why Acura even bother anymore with the RL. You see the (mostly cosmetic) changes they made to the RL for 2009? IMO, they just made an ambivalent automobile even more of a lame-duck. The '09 TL now almost completely overlaps the RL, to the point where one wonders who in his right mind would buy an '09 RL. Maybe they should have just saved money and left the RL unchanged so that customers who couldn't stomach the new grill can at least have the RL as a fall-back option.
  • sbtattersbtatter Posts: 47
    The new TL is zero for four so far (including me), so our combined numbers are 4 like it and 7 don't....
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    ...you pass on the '09 TL because you don't like the styling, or because it's grown too big, too heavy, and too balky, but you still like the Acura brand, you can simply buy a TSX, right? Not so fast. Before you buy a TSX, try out the back seat. Is it just me (and I'm not a big person), or is the leg room too tight for a mid size car? Also, access in and out of the back seat is difficult, if your shoe size is anything larger than, say, a (men's size) 8. So, as I see it, the '09 TSX isn't a good substitute for someone trading a TL.

    So, for '09 the TL overlaps with the RL dimensionally and functionally, and the TSX is cramped in the back. I suppose Acura will eventually sort it all out, in its move to compete more directly and effectively with the luxury German and Japanese brands, by converting the RL to RWD, and other changes. In the meantime, however, the line-up isn't very rational. For example, why would someone pay more for a RL than a SH-AWD TL?
  • I did not say that they disliked the car, they said it was okay and I think I know why.These guys would not be caught dead in anything from Japan.
  • Have you driven the RL? I think this car is a wonderful blend of luxury, performance and value.Personally, I think the V8 is the only thing missing, I drove it last weekend and I was impressed with its handling, pickup and the luxury appointments which are standard of course.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    If one has a 99-03 TL, or an 04-05 TL with high mileage, now would be time to buy an 08 and have what will be a classic design. Hang onto 08 until 09-13 gen is history. Perhaps the 2014 TL will return to elegant and tasteful design.

    If wait too long (early Oct) and can't get an 08 TL, look elsewhere, maybe to Infiniti G series.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wait until you've driven an '09 TL SH-AWD, and then come back and see whether you still consider the RL an viable alternative. I was just saying that, on paper, the '09 TL appears to render the RL redundant, right down to the controversial grill. I wasn't commenting on whether the RL is, or is not, a wonderful blend of anything.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I had a '09 TSX as a service loaner for a day, and yes, the backseat is tighter than in the TL. I was quite impressed with the TSX on an earlier 15-minute test drive, but less so after driving it for a day. The steering is a little too loosey goosey for me. The power is ok, and an improvement from the previous TSX, but the tranny needs to downshift quite a bit when power is called on. The car is now the same size as the current TL, so no advantage there if one is looking for a compact sports sedan.

    But the kicker is, in this neck of the woods at least, one can get a '08 TL-Nav for almost the same price as a top-of-the-line TSX, comparing out-the-door prices, due to factory incentives and discounts on the TL. So, if I did not already have a TL, I would buy an '08 TL over the new TSX, because I still think the TL is more car for the money.
  • xando05xando05 Posts: 36
    2009 TL SH-AWD
    2008 Toyota Highlander Sport or Limited AWD
    2008 Cadillac CTS AWD
    2009 Cadillac STS AWD
    2009 Lincoln MKS AWD
    2009 Jaguar XF with optional Jaguar snow traction system accessory(special snow chains)

    Any serious input would be very helpful.
  • sbtattersbtatter Posts: 47
    Have you driven the new Accord to compare with tour TL and your loaner TSX?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    No, I have not had the chance (nor any serious inclination, since I just find it too big, and lacking in a few luxury features, and can't quite decide what to make of the styling), but I suspect the V6 version will drive much like the current TL, but probably with a cushier ride.
  • lilajlilaj Posts: 15
    First of all the RL received a MMC for 2009, so the changes aren't suppose to be major. When the car is redesigned in 2010 it will have honda first ever V8 engine.
  • Just remember, a fair apples-to-apples comparison is the '09 Max and the '09 TL with FWD not the SH-AWD since the Maxima does not have a AWD offering. With that in mind using $34K as the base price for the TL and a conservative estimate of $4K for the Tech Pkg, the price would be between 38 and 39K including destination.

    But I do agree that you won't find Acura 'giving away' '09 TLs for 3K off MSRP once they go on the market in Sept. When the SH-AWD version comes out in Nov, prices for the new TL FWD will come down some more due to a shift in demand. And maybe by that time, Nissan will be giving $3-4K off across the board on all '09 Maximas. We'll see....
  • So you drove them both and came to your conclusion?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...on paper, the '09 TL appears to render the RL redundant"

    That's what I said. I doubt anyone here has driven an '09 TL. Don't try to be a smart-[non-permissible content removed], billy.
  • I knew you had a sense of humor. :)
  • jresjres Posts: 69
    Does Acura still offer a decent (6 speed manual) transmission with the SH-AWD????
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    New 09 Maxima's can be had for $4k off MSRP in some regions of the country. Check out Dobbs Nissan's website in Memphis as an example. On the other side, major metropolitan areas seem to be offerring no discounts.

    I've have an 04 TL which has had lots of mechanical problems. So, I just bought an 09 Maxima. Early owner reviews of Maxima owners has been very positive. Time will tell if the Maxima lives up to the quality I'm expecting. Its gotta be better than my 04 TL!!
  • dtd1dtd1 Posts: 10
    Might take up this advice. Don't need a new car until November and had been planning to pick up a 09 TL. But after seeing pictures of the real thing--no thanks, for all the reasons people have been citing (too big, too ugly, etc). Some have suggested not drawing any conclusions until after seeing and driving one in person. Just can't see how that will sway my opinion all the way back into the 09 TL camp.

    After a few test drives, the current TL-S has really impressed me against competing BMW 328xi, Audi A4, and Lexus IS250 (current car is a BMW M Series/prior are BMW 325, Lexus and Porsche). The other cars I drove just felt too small after driving the TL-S, which seems about the right size. While I'm somewhat hesitant to buy the "lame duck" 08 model, it's currently my number one pick and I might snag one before they're gone.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Humor is my middle name. ;)
  • slim83slim83 Posts: 25
    Does anyone know when Acura will release official information on its website? I know the embargo is this Sunday for reviewers so I’m assuming they will add additional information before that time.
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