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Acura TL 2009

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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Well, I'll have to wait and see. But I just wonder if, simply because the '09 is a new, and different style, compared to the outgoing model which has been around for 5 years, some people are interpreting that as more modern, unless tasteful styling is now considered "dated", and garish is considered modern. You know the old saying...familiarity breeds contempt. I've owned cars in the 80's and 90's, and trust me, they don't look anything like the current TL!
  • vaughn4vaughn4 Posts: 106
    It's still UGLY! No, not ugly - It is HIDEOUS!!! And to boot its shovel-nose ugliness now it's gettin' pretty EXPENSIVE @ $43+ grand for a loaded TL? :cry:
  • Saw it in person yesterday. OMG! What are they smokin over there in the design studio! :confuse: That BEAK in the front is a deal breaker for me! Saturn looking!
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    They'll probably discounted them. Acura wants to make even more expensive vehicles that are more luxurious. They want to be Tier 1 someday.
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    There's a huge difference in the discounts being given on 2008 RLs vs. 2009 RLs. On 2009's, I'm hearing there are very little discounts as supply is very low due to lack of production output. On 2008's, the demos still left on the lots are now at $39k. So, that puts the price difference close to $10k.
  • Exterior: seriously much better looking in person, even my wife agreed. You get used to the beak, it's just as loud as the Audi's snout IMO. Does not seem that much bigger either (the length accentuated by the pointed front and back). I think the beak looks alot better than the TSX (didn't see the 09RL) and less tacky than I expected.

    Interior: doesn't feel that much bigger, but the rear leg room is much improved (headroom cramped by the sloping roof line). The front feels tighter without being cramped (probably due to the big NAV screen and hood). Very ergonomics overall, the seats don't feel very soft but probably needs to be broken into. Somebody mentioned the driving position is low but I think it is better than BMW 3.

    Stereo: The new ELS is very nice, wow. I'll have to test out the Audi and Infiniti systems but this is pretty nice for a 40k car. The dealer loaded some tunes onto the HDD and playback was very smooth.

    NAV: very nice screen, the new interface knob is very easy to use. I prefer the location to BMW or Infiniti's, have not tested the Audi's. Voice command works well.

    Drive: much quieter than 08 TL as advertised but not Lexus/mercedes-silent perhaps by design? Road and engine sounds are nicely muted so nothing is intrusive, conversations is easily heard, and the stereo can be left at low volumes.

    Handling: I actually like the EPS for normal in town driving, there was a lot of traffic out so couldn't really push the car. Overall a very balanced chassis but again I did not push it hard. The feel is somewhere between the 08TL and 08TL-S to the best of my recollection.

    Performance: I will need to go back on a weekend to push it harder on more open roads but acceleration feels just a tad under the 08TL-S (slightly detuned engine by numbers, extra weight and a heavier salesman compared to last time). I really think Acura's 1st two gears in the 5spd is too tall compared to the competition so acceleration feels a bit soft....I mean it is adequate but feels solidly in the mid 6's or higher for 0-60.

    Based on this initial short test drive I'll definitely wait to see the SH-AWD with the slightly bigger engine and shorter final drive. I'm already sold on the interior stuff. It's missing the adaptive headlights and blindspot warning system compared to the Audi and Infiniti but the overall package may seal the deal for me......
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,547
    trau.....I went to the official "unveiling" of the TL last night at the local dealer. They had just about every color, both tech and non-tech. I'll say up front, I concur with just about everything you posted. Of course, no SH-AWD version was available, yet.

    I do like the rear, quite a bit. The "snout" front end? Not sure whether I like it or not. But, as you mentioned, it's neither better, nor worse than what you see on the Audi.

    But, these do look a lot better in person than they do in pictures. Side profile is very sharp. From the side, the front end gives a "hunkered down" look.

    They actually had the '08s side-by-side with the '09s. I got the impression that the '08s, while still handsome, look a bit dated by comparison.

    I liked the interior much better on the '09 over the '08. Again, much better in person than in pictures. Seats are better on the '09, too.

    I got to drive a "basque red pearl with taupe leather tech" version. Very, very sharp!

    By my Butt-meter, it feels about as fast as a TL-S. Handles about the same. Seemed smoother all the way around....much easier to drive fast. Rides better.

    Much better back seat, as you say.

    It is quieter than the TL-S. As quiet as a Lexus? Nope. But it makes nice muted sounds under the hood.

    Did a quick "pairing" to my I-Phone. Went off without a hitch. Made a couple of calls while I was test driving. Everyone said they could hear me fine using blue-tooth.

    I couldn't discern any torque steer, which was surprising, given it's a nearly 300 HP (280 HP, IIRC) motor driving the front wheels. I pushed it pretty hard, too. Seemed to beg for more. I don't think the brakes were "brembos", but they sure felt like it.

    My overall impression....very nice update to a very nice car. Is it as fast as a G or BMW 335i? No! But, it's close enough that only a stop watch could tell the difference. Does it handle as well as the BMW? No. But again, not far off the mark. It's certainly smoother than the G, though. I prefer the ride/handling trade-off of the '09 TL over either the BMW or G.

    As always, the stereo is superb. Happened to have a Diana Krall DVD-A with me. Plugged it in and I'd say the '09 ELS trumps the '08 ELS by a good margin. Don't know if that's a result of a quieter cabin, or they made substantial improvements in the stereo itself.

    Overall, it doesn't stand out in any one category, but does everything well.....better than the outgoing model.

    The one I drove stickered at $39K and change. That's easily $10K less than a BMW 3 series similarly equipped. Plus, the NAV is worlds better in the TL than the one in the BMW.

    With the current discounts on the G, I would imagine that's the closest competitor. But, back seat room in the TL is better. Interior is better than the G, too. It also drives smoother than the G.

    Talked to one of the salesman at the event. He was quite honest. He said the first ones sold will go for MSRP. I think he took a deposit on two of them in the 90 minutes I was at the event. One deposit was for the one I test drove....by the person who drove it right after I did. I hope he didn't see my test drive because I did wring it out pretty good. That's just one of about 4 sales people who were there. I'd guess the others had the same experience.

    I told him I wasn't in the market. He said give it a couple of months for the initial run to sell down. He said to visit after that if I were looking for less than MSRP. He also said he had one new '08 TL-S left that he'd sell for $32,500. Pretty big jump to nearly $40K for an '09.

    But, if you let the "buzz" die down a little bit, and could score an '09 tech next year for $36K-$37K, I think Acura will have another "hit" on their hands.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Nice review, that is true, if you let the buzz die down, than you can realistically get the car at a decent price, plus you are able to see about the reviews people are saying. It was like that for the new Accord, now its pretty calm. You can get a loaded Accord for a decent price. Big bang for the buck.

    The issue with the design is that Acura really took a huge risk with it! BIG! I really feel this is where the design trend is going to go, since they have used and beaten every design on car now. The New Audi's are looking quite techy. I actually really appreciate them going with the design and taking a chance. Most cars look better in person, the Accord certainly does. I feel the Accord could have used a little more Accord Coupe inspiration, and it would not have hurt anything. They want that car to be conservative. The Acura is not so conservative anymore. To each there own.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,730
    Good to hear that you and Trau each think the TL tastes better in the flesh. I thought the same about the new TSX. As a current TL owner, and general admirer of the Honda company, I hope the new TL Is a hit. But, still, that bloody beak...

    In pix, I've not been impressed by the new TL, I do look forward to the real thing. But, as I've never bought the same car, or brand, twice in a row in my life, I doubt I'll TL next. Depending on any number of factors, I'm leaning toward Europe. Although the upcoming G37 and IS Convertibles may throw a monkey wrench into that plan. STill, the Audi A5 is just so lovely (as is the Jag XK, another usual suspect)...

    Rainy day ramblings...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • I like your fair appraisal of the 2009. I work for Acura and I was very impressed by our Ride and Drive sessions where we took both the FWD TL and SH-AWD TL for hard, aggressive rounds on different courses versus the BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti in both their RWD and AWD versions.

    The handling and steering control were great for the TL as well as the braking. The braking was head and shoulders above the others as far as the confidence that it gave me without shuddering, most noticeably on the Infinit.

    The one thing I regret about the Ride and Drive (since I can't trash the ones at our dealership for kicks) is that I did not turn off the traction control on the TLs that we drove. The traction controls on the TL when you want performance really hampers the acceleration of its strong VTEC engine and gives you less response when you really want to get up and go. Turning it off makes it a lot more exciting than it already is.

    I am way more confident in this vehicle in terms of positives and negatives than before I had the opportunity drive it.
  • If you want a performance car, don't go Infiniti. They still have a long way to go with bad body roll and braking. The other annoying thing is that their paddle shifters do not move with the steering wheel which makes it impossible to shift while turning.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,730
    Fear not, Mr. S. My choices back in '05 came down to the G35 and the TL. For me, it was an easy, clear choice: The Abyss Blue TL that now ferries me about in style! Again, though, please have Acura rethink the beak...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • Mrsatisfaction: I didn't think about turning off the VSA maybe I'll do that next time. I still feel like the Acura 5spd's 1st gear is too tall (an extra gear to balance out the lower 3 gears will be nice).

    Your occupational bias aside, how much performance gain should I expect from the SH-AWD? The fuel economy hit and the smaller trunk are going against it, but I do want that occassional AWD capability. Personally I am trying to hold out until Spring to be in the market....right now I am hoping the "beak" turn away enough buyers so I won't be paying MSRP by then.

    I think the new TL is really positioned between the BMW 3 and 5, and also outsizes the G35/7. I also think the new Audi A4 with purported growth in interior/trunk size poses serious competition as well. Obviously no single car stands out as each has its strength and weakness and it all depends on each buyer's priority. For me being a new parent the increased interior room is important and performance can take a backseat (no pun intended) to a certain degree. The run-flats and low value of BMW is prohibitive for me. G35 will be close and the new Audi A4 warrants a look for me.

    In the end, I think the 09TL will win out. My only fear is that I shell out for the 09TL only to have Acura come out with a 6spd auto by 2011......
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,776
    I've been a Honda fan for a long time. Bought a new 1992 Accord (great car). I always valued Hondas for reliability, sportiness, steering feel, and driving agility.

    I bought a 1998 Audi A4, a car that inspired real passion. It was a wonderful car, but not as reliable as a Honda. When the family got bigger I got rid of it and got a 2005 Acura TL.

    My '05 TL has been very reliable. It's comfortable, it has a lot of great goodies, it gets great gas mileage. But I'd say that it's almost too big, it's suspension is floaty. The auto transmission has about a half second of hesitation when you need to punch it fast in an urgent situation. I've had loaner TSX's (previous model) and I LOVE the size and handling of the TSX.

    So recently at a service I got a *brand new model* TSX loaner. It's bigger and IMHO it's lost some of its charm. I don't find it any more appealing than the previous model - it's gotten too big.

    Now look at the new TL. I haven't driven it or even seen one, but my TL is already borderline boat status. The last thing I want is a bigger car.

    Look at the new Accord. Vs. the previous model it is HUGE. And my 1992 Accord handled great, had great steering and suspension. My TL is more of a boat and floatier than the '92 Accord.

    It just seems that Honda is moving more toward Toyota all the time - bigger, softer. It's got me looking more at Mazda instead. We have a Mazda 5, which is a micro minivan based upon the Mazda 3. The Mazda 5 is *shorter* than my TL, but even though it has much less power it handles better! That Mazda suspension is awesome!

    So while I admire Honda I hope they quit straying so far from their roots.
  • The current 3G TL in certainly no family hauler. I appreciate the fact it has grown up a little bit. I appreciate the extra space and larger trunk. Will that outweigh the looks. I don't know but I will still keep it on my list. I'm glad the TL has grown bigger. My family members grow bigger in size and height so if I can stay with a TL during this I would be happy.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You're asking an Acura salesman for his unbiased opinion? :confuse: :surprise:
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wow! My thoughts exactly....on the TL, the new TSX, the Toyota-ization of Honda products in general. I love the styling of my '04 TL; it's got all the room I need, it's smooth, comfortable and reasonably fast. But it's kind of boring to drive. It's more cruiser than bruiser, and the steering is numb-ish. Unless I absolutely need the room, I prefer to drive my wife's Mini, despite it's meagre 118 hp.
  • I started a thread for this but it looks like there is a lot of activity here so I thought I would put it here also.
    Has anyone put together a lease yet on the new TL. The Acura website has offered this featured lease and I was looking for input on either it or any other leases out there. I am looking for a lease with the tech package specifically.
    Thanks

    2009 TL Featured Standard Lease
    $419.00 per month for 36 months. $3,699.00 total due at signing.
    FEATURED LEASE: Closed-end lease for 2009 TL with Automatic Transmission (Model UA8629JW) for $419.00 per month for 36 months with a $2,685.00 capitalized cost reduction available to customers who qualify for the AHFC Super Preferred credit tier. Other rates/tiers are available under this offer. $3,699.00 total due at lease signing (includes first month's payment, AHFC upfront acquisition fee, capitalized cost reduction, with no security deposit. Security deposit waived in featured lease example. Total net capitalized cost and base monthly payment does not include tax, license, title, registration, documentation fees, options, insurance and the like). Not all buyers may qualify.

    Subject to limited availability. From 9/24/2008 through 10/8/2008, to approved lessees by American Honda Finance Corp. Closed end lease for 2009 TL with Automatic Transmission (Model UA8629JW), for well qualified lessees. Not all lessees will qualify. Higher lease rates apply for lessees with lower credit ratings. MSRP $35,715.00 (includes destination) less the suggested dealer contribution resulting in actual net capitalized cost $32,957.93. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect actual lease payment. Taxes, license, title fees, options and insurance extra. Total monthly payments $15,084.00. Option to purchase at lease end $23,571.90. Lessee responsible for maintenance, excessive wear/tear and 15 cents/mi. over 10,000 miles/year for vehicles with MSRP less than $30,000, but for vehicles with MSRP of $30,000 or more, mileage cost is 20 cents/mi. over 10,000 miles/year. See dealer for complete details.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,547
    laurasdada.....bvd.....as we've seen in the posts here, the re-design is polarizing. There are some things I like about it. There are other things, while I don't hate them (the beak), I don't love them either.

    But, I can probably say that about any car I've ever bought.

    One thing's for certain, you won't mistake the new TL with anything else on the road....even other Honda/Acura products.

    IMHO....as I stated before, the performance is in the ballpark of both the BMW 3 and the Infiniti G. TL trumps the BMW on features, space and price. There are some pretty crazy deals I've seen on the G. Based on the deals I've seen, there could be as much as a $4K-$5K swing in the Gs favor on price. Even more of a swing to the Gx's favor compared to the TL-SH- AWD version. That is, until they start discounting the TL (maybe next year....maybe sooner, depending on whether the new TL gets off to a slow or fast start in sales).

    But, the TL trumps the G on interior room and interior style/quality of materials.

    Strange....I didn't see one RL on the dealer's lot....NOT ONE! I can't imagine they're selling that well. I would imagine that the SH-AWD of the RL isn't going to be the big differentiator any more with the TL getting the same running gear when its SH-AWD version hits the showroom.

    While, I'm not going to be in the market for awhile, if prices ever recover on my Tahoe (not likely), then the TL and G will be on my shopping list to replace it.

    If the TL is being discounted by then, I'd probably lean towards it. If not, then the G may get the nod and I'll pocket the extra $5K.

    laurasdada....I almost pulled the trigger on an A6 a few years ago. Lovely interiors. But, the room in the TL would almost match the A6. I've only seen the new A4s a couple of times. But, I agree the A5 is quite the looker....at least from the pictures I've seen. But, either perception or reality, I'm a little skittish about VW/Audi reliability. I've heard some owners say their Audis have been bulletproof. I've heard as many say that their ownership experience has been problematic. Then again, I hear the same thing from Benz owners, too.

    The overall impression from my seat time in the new TL, is that Acura has taken it a step upmarket (kind of like what Honda's done with the Accord) from the previous version.

    The last TL I had ('04) I think I paid around $33K for, with Nav. 5 years later, the new one is better in every way. But, is it $7K better? I'd have to spend more time in the car to determine that. I could probably swallow a $3K difference and feel good about it.

    What's most tempting would be any of the '08 TL-Ss that are left I could pick up for $32.5K. Those are almost all gone, though.

    At $34K-$35K, the '09 TL/tech would be a great buy. Whether they get to that level during their run remains to be seen. At $40K? Not so much....particularly since you can get a totally loaded Gx for much less than that.

    aj.....I've never known Acura to have any great lease deals....at least not like BMW offers. My opinion is you lease a BMW. You BUY an Acura.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,730
    "But, the TL trumps the G on interior room and interior style/quality of materials. "

    Exactly one of the several qualities that led me to buy the TL over the '05 G...

    Yes, buying European does give me pause. But, I drove Chrysler products from ~1995-2005 (company Intrepid, then I bought a '99 300M) and neither, while not near the build quality of Japan, cost me any out of warranty money (well, because the AC went on the Dodge about 2k miles after warranty, the dealer did me a favor and ruled that it happened in warranty! Thank you for saving me $1k+!). So, I think I'm ready to take a chance on BMW/MB/Audi/Jag.

    A coworker has an '06 A4. He puts a lot of miles on it, long commute so he's already out of warranty. Unfortunately, he's had to shell out some $$$... Another co-worker had to put a new engine in his wife's '02 BMW 330 convertible. BMW claims she ignored warnings regarding the cooling system, she claims no such warnings were offered... But a neighbor has an '02 A4 w/130k+ miles. Other than routine/expected maintenance (which I'm not sure that he does!), it's still tickin'...

    You should check out the A5 in person. Pix just don't show the true beauty of D'Silva's design...

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • >TL trumps the BMW on features, space, and price.

    I'm sure it's less expensive than the 3 series. I really don't know if it has more and/or better features. That statement sounds quite subjective and I would guess that a BMW enthusiast (I'm not one of them) would disagree with you.

    And while it does somewhat trump the 3 series on space, it does so at a huge price. The TL has one more inch of front legroom, about 1 1/2 more more inches of rear legroom, and one more cubic foot of cargo space than the '09 BMW 3 series sedan. The problem is that the '09 3 series sedan is 178.2 inches long, 71.5 inches wide, and weighs close to 3,350 pounds. The '09 TL is 195.5 inches long, 74 inches wide, and weighs just about 3,700 pounds. So in order to get that small increase in legroom and trunk capacity, you end up with a car that's over 17 inches longer, 2 1/2 inches wider, and close to 350 pounds heavier.

    Considering that increasing the exterior size and weight of the TL has resulted in such an extremely small increase in interior space, I personally would much prefer the smaller car with the "trumped" amount of space.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "Considering that increasing the exterior size and weight of the TL has resulted in such an extremely small increase in interior space, I personally would much prefer the smaller car with the "trumped" amount of space"

    My feeling exactly! The '09 TL is no doubt mechanically and dynamically superior to the '08, but, as I said from day 1, it is over-sized and over-styled.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,547
    sek....I'm a former 3 series owner (current platform). Unless you're going to get a 328i, with few options, the price of something like a 335i, equipped "like-for-like" with the TL, you're looking at $50K for the BMW.

    That's a tough pill to swallow for a compact sports sedan. Granted, a 335i is sweet. I've driven one briefly. I will say, hands down, the feature content in the TL works better, is designed better, operates better, than the same features in the 3 series.

    But, as you say, it depends on what you want. I haul people in my vehicles all the time. So, the extra room in the TL is welcomed. I'm willing to forgo the few extra tenths in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times to get that room. From a subjective standpoint, the TL "feels" bigger on the inside than my former 3 series.

    Styling as always, is subjective, too. I've heard some who damn the "Banglized" versions of every BMW currently on the market. Just like I've heard some Acura fanatics "damn" the redesign of the current TL. Personally, the current BMW style didn't bother me nearly as much as it did other people. Same goes for the TL. I like the rear and profile view of the TL. The front end, I can take or leave.

    Just the opposite was true on my BMW. I didn't like the rear styling of it. Front end was fine, though.

    Starting with the 3G TL, it was clear that Acura was going "edgier" styling. That trend continued with the 4G.

    Do I wish that Acura had designed a RWD TL? Sure. But, I understand what they're trying to do . I applaud them for exorcising the FWD demons that plagued my '04 TL. They did a hell of a job. Dynamically, the '09 TL feels like it's entering another realm, maybe a notch above where the 3G TL was.

    Different strokes for different folks, though.

    This is a hotbed of the segment, where there are a lot of good players. CTS, BMW 3 series, Infiniti G, Acrua TL, Audi A4 or 5, Benz C class. I won't even get into the Lexus players (IS & ES). The IS is too cramped for what I'd use it for. The ES is too soft for what I prefer. Mercedes in my book will always play 2nd fiddle to BMW.

    The TL (even my '04) didn't trump any other car in any one particular category. It's the whole package....the performance, the dynamics, the feature content, the build and material quality, the reliability, etc....as an entire package, at the price point, that becomes the selling point.

    Once they start discounting it, (I'm thinking to somewhere in the $35K-$36K for a tech package), it will be tough to beat. Closest would be the G.

    Right now....today...given you can get a Gx with NAV for low-mid $30s, that probably would be my choice. But, I'd prefer the extra room in the 4G TL, if it gets to that price point.

    larasdada....I'll make it a point to seek out an A5. As I said, from what I've seen, it's a sharp looking car. I always expect Audis to handle and perform well, so that should be a given.
  • Hi - I just purchased a 2009 TSX a week ago and I love it. My question is this. I noticed that when I first start the car each time, for the first 10-15 seconds or so, the engine sounds loud, then levels off and becomes quieter. It sounds almost as though I am stepping on the gas pedal while I start the car.

    Has anyone else noticed this? Is this normal?

    I thought I read something in the owners manual last week that said there was something that causes the engine to be a bit louder when first started - but I can't find it now.

    Any feedback would be appreciated. (My next step will be to contact the dealer service department, but I thought I'd try to see if anyone else experienced the same issue first.)

    Thanks.
  • "2009 TL Featured Standard Lease
    $419.00 per month for 36 months. $3,699.00 total due at signing.
    FEATURED LEASE: Closed-end lease for 2009 TL with Automatic Transmission (Model UA8629JW) for $419.00 per month for 36 months with a $2,685.00 capitalized cost reduction"

    You notice the capitalized cost reduction in there? That $2685 amounts to $75 a month for 36...meaning you are actually paying $494 a month with no tech package. If the car is stolen or totalled at any point during your lease, you lose $75 a month for how many every months were left on the lease. Bottom line is that this isn't a great deal at all...If you want to be one of the first to own the 09 TL and pay full MSRP by way of lease, then go for it. If you want to add tech package I'm sure they will gladly add it for $50 to $60 more a month and you're looking at $550ish a month with no discounts. I've test driven it already and since I said I'm not serious until I test out the AWD, my dealer didnt go into extreme detail, but gave me a ballpark figure of $550 with tech. With the state of this horrible economy, in a few months the asking price should go down a couple thousand and you should get a better lease deal if needed.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,776
    Wow! My thoughts exactly....on the TL, the new TSX, the Toyota-ization of Honda products in general. I love the styling of my '04 TL; it's got all the room I need, it's smooth, comfortable and reasonably fast. But it's kind of boring to drive. It's more cruiser than bruiser, and the steering is numb-ish. Unless I absolutely need the room, I prefer to drive my wife's Mini, despite it's meagre 118 hp.

    Bodble2, you've hit exactly how I feel. My TL is a great cruiser but it's a bit disconnected. I don't even want/need a ton of power -- but I DO want tight, responsive steering and agile handling. Bigger cars just don't do that. Previous models were still a good balance between sport and practicality, but these 190+ inch long cars are not my idea of sporty. I think Honda and perhaps Acura is migrating from sporty to more luxury - heading toward lexus-like. I wish they had a compact premium sedan like the older A4 or TSX or even the Jetta. With the TSX getting a bunch bigger, everything is getting less sporty. Sporty *big* cars remind me of Camaros and Firebirds, and that's not a pretty picture.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I personally think that Acura's got a case of Lexus-envy. Honda in general has more or less abandoned its roots. Except for the odd isolated models (ie. S2000, the old TSX, Civic Si), the Honda/Acura line-up consists of over-sized models. 10 years ago, would anyone have thought that the Accord would now be classified as a full-size car?! :surprise:
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,547
    I kind of see it as if the Civic (which has also grown) has taken the place of previous generation Accords. You want smaller? There's always the FIT.

    Acura TSX has taken the place of previous generations of the TL. What I see Acura abandoning is the small premium segment (like an A3).

    If you look at the sports sedan segment overall, they all got bigger. Even the current 3 Series is bigger than the previous gen.

    Needless to say, it's an industry wide trend.
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    Visited the local Acura dealer over the weekend to see the new 09 TL. Was quite surprised at the number of 09 TL's available - over 10 vehicles - 50% of them had the Navi package. I can remember the days when the 04 TL came out and there was a several month waiting list for the Navi models. Beyond the styling controversy, the economy is clearly slowing things down in the sales area.

    Nearly all of the "in stock" cars had grey interiors - didn't see any with black interior. Given the black dash and door parts also in black, I gotta think a black interior would be a bit overwhelming.

    Externally, I really like the rear view of the car and the highlighting of the exhaust pipes. Front view is still hard to get used to. At a 500 foot distance, in looking at the front of the car, I'd swear its a Saturn. The side view is very bland - especially compared to the previous generation TL which has very unique design lines.
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