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Acura TL 2009

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  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    Interesting about how they cut production on the 2009 RL. My local dealer sold out of the first batch of 2009 RLs - wondered when the next batch would arrive.

    Honda/Acura's business model is very interesting in that they have introduced three new models (TSX, TL, an RL) all in the span of several months. Feast or famine in the sedan world at Acura. Of course, the RL is more of an "updated" model than the TL which really is a totally new model.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    It seems to me that a fully optioned '09 (all new) Mazda 6 V6 will not only compete well with its Accord counterpart, but could serve as an alternative to the '09 FWD TL too. Okay, it may not have the brand cache', but for those who assign a higher value to function than status, and prefer the styling of the Mazda over the TL, the Mazda may be a better choice. That's especially true after factoring in price.
  • We really need to start doing some drug testing around here.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Why? :confuse: IMO, the Mazda6 looks better, hands down. I haven't seen the interior, but judging from past Mazdas, I would concede the TL likely has a better interior. But I think the 2 models can be cross-shopped. Acura doesn't really have much brand cache anyway. For the record, I think Honda/Acura has got its sights set on Toyota/Lexus for offering the most boring lineup amongst imports. I've been a life-long Honda fan, but I'm been really disappointed with the snoozer lineup of new models.
  • Previously, the 3rd. gen. TL outsold the Maxima. I believe the new Maxima will
    outsell the new TL AND it will cost less !!

    With slumping SUV sales and the new " Aztec-ish " TL, I think Acura is going to have a big sales problem.
  • Absolutely they will have a sales decline, i know myself i will not be getting one. I have an eye on the Infinity or the Lexus so far.
  • Though there's alot of drug testing needed around here the guy who mentioned the new Mazda 6 knows what he's talking about. I went straight from the Mazda dealership to the Acura dealership (what a difference that was, but more about the dealerships later in my post). The new Mazda 6 is not the tiny mid-size car of yesteryear. I've rented that small Mazda 626 back a few years ago and I will say that the leap this year is similar to the leap the Altima took back in 2001 as a 2002 model. It is now a grown and mature car, not to mention spacious and for $28,000 (the one in the showroom was this amount) it comes fully equipped and returns good gas mileage. I've never considered a Mazda 6 before but I admit its grown on me and is sweet. Now to get to the goods on the new TL. You will notice that they are showing up at dealerships and I test drove one today. Gorgeous car in person, arouses your soul (the Mazda 6 did not do this), very smooth rider and looks like a fully fledged luxury car. The grille is absolutely gorgeous (my fiance loved it) and I will say that you will find plenty of woman either looking at this car or driving it (not that that means anything). Now to the interesting part, I am a Maxima boy. I have an 02 and I frequently drive an 07 (my mother's car - no I am not a teenager, I am almost 30) and while I am a die-hard Maxi boy I have to give credit where credit is due. Because this TL has grown in size, provides adequate seating room I will be shopping the TL instead of 2009 Maxima this year which has decreased in size and doesn't have the good looks of the TL. What's interesting is that the medium packed Maxi I saw was 35,500 and this TL today was 35,500, so you do the math: a pretty new TL that is roomy and looks good or an okay new Maxima that is not roomy and looks decent. While I am a fan of fully-equipped cars I have not had a chance to see what the price will be on the fully optioned TL (not the SH-AWD model) but I do know the new Maxi is 38,500 and if the TL is within a slim difference of that it'sa no brainer which car to choose. TL wins all the way around.

    Now to the dealerships, the Acura dealership was completely hassle free and while it had customers it did not appear to be crowded. and the sales consultants were very professional and not intrusive. From what I've been told Acura dealership experiences are first rate and it simply was. At the Mazda dealership I felt like I was back at Nissan, in an outdated showroom with plenty of folks swarming around me and looking at econoboxes and mid size cars. There were tons of sales consultants who you could see would love to feast on you.
  • Lexus vehicles are nice. The Infinity will not stand up to the TL in many aspects.

    Lexus and Infiniti have seen a greater decline than Acura. Lexus has dropped the most, and I would personally prefer Lexus over Infiniti, if I had to choose, just from a quality standpoint as well .

    Someone does need to drive those vehicles. That may happen to be you. As far as a decline... I smile and watch.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    No offence, but if you're a fan of the '02 - '07 Maxima, then if you say you like the styling of the new TL, then I would have to take that with a grain of salt. Nothing personal, but recent vintage Maximas have shown some of the most ambiguous, and confused styling jobs. On the contrary, I thought the new Max is a step back in the right direction, both in terms of its styling and size. It's not great, but it's better.
  • Different tastes for different faces. While the 2007 Maxima might not be the prettiest car arond it does certainly represent Nissan doing something unique and not following the rest of the pack (my fiance has never liked 07). With the 2002 model I have to disagree and say it is still very much a beautiful car (its classic design has aged well, especially on the GLE trim) and many times has looked and still looks more expensive than it really is. Most would arguably say this was in fact the last nice Maxima. The 2009 Maxima though headed in the right direction does not inspire you because it does nothing different that the rest of the pack. It looks too Lexus ES350ish/Benzish towards the rear, too Magnumish in the front and boring in the rest of its design. On a whole it does not disappoint nor does it scream see me (not that that's a reason to buy a car). I will say that the TL is more maxima (a continuation of the 07's design) than the new 09 maxima is and it seems as if the TL was made (its added length) with the thought that the maxima was going to go bigger (bigger is always better right? well not really). That's why for me new TL is a no brainer. If anyone is in my area, Long Island, Island Acura (in Wantagh, NY right on 27 right off of Wantagh Pkwy) has an 09. Seems as if they are only one in the area to have one and many sales guys have not even seen it (makes me the first one I know of to test drive it my area). But boy oh boy, it looks a lot better in person and it screams take me home. Get out there and see one a dealer close to you and I'm sure you'll agree its a beautiful car, and even if it's not you'll agree that its still a value for the price.
  • ocimocim Posts: 45
    You make it sound as if Acura is targeting cars like the Maxima with its TL. Maxima is more of a competitor of the Accord, and not a very good one at that. The TL is predominately targeted at the Lexus ES350, Infiniti G35, Mercedes C class, BMW 3 series and to an extent the 5 series.
  • I do not think so. Your comparison of a Maxima to an Accord is bizarre as they are not even in the same class (have you ever priced a fully equipped Maxima vs a fully equipped Accord?). The Altima competes with the Accord toe to toe and many comparision tests will point this out. The Maxima is an entry-level luxury sedan and for the most part has always been (no matter what your opinion may be). Edmunds will clarify this with any review on this site that you can find and in fact the Maxima is probably the TL's chief competitor. You are comparing rear wheel drive cars (5 series, 3 series and the g-35) to the front wheel drive TL (we're not talking about the SHAWD model) and while I like the TL and think its a fine car its not up to the snuff of the germans nor infiniti.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    You're right about the 2002 Maxima....I got mixed up on the timing of the model change-over. The 2002 Max in SE form was fairly attractive.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I agree that the Maxima's target market is not the Accord. The first Maxima (circa 1980?), along with the Toyota Cressida, were the first Japanese entry luxury sedans. The Max has always aimed for Acura, although I think it's slipped a notch in recent years. It's still more upscale than the Accord/Camry, but I'm not sure it's hitting the Acuras. However, I'm not a big fan of Infiniti, so I wouldn't lump them in with the Germans.
  • A majority of buyers wouldnt cross shop the Maxima and the TL, here are my groupings-
    Accord
    Camry
    Maxima
    Altima (3.5)
    Passat

    TL
    3 Series
    C-Series
    G35
    CTS
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think you'd find a sizable segment who would cross-shop the TL and the Max, just as you would with the Max and the Accord. Truth be told, so many of these cars have some overlap. You can also throw the IS series and the TSX into (probably) both groups.
  • prazpraz Posts: 163
    My 2 cents...
    I think people who want a compact car (Corolla, Civic, Sentra, Versa, etc) might cross shop the mid size family cars (Accord, Camry, Altima, etc) but people who are looking for mid size family cars will not cross shop the mid size sporty cars(Maxima, Passat, Mazda 6, etc). But, people who are looking for mid size sporty cars might cross shop with sporty premium cars such as TSX, IS, TL, 3 series, C-class, G35, CTS, etc.
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  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...but comes with some cool features."

    Such as?
  • ocimocim Posts: 45
    I totally disagree. If Nissan's intention was to target the TL with the Maxima than they have failed. Even Consumer reports has not rated Maxima well over the last decade, placing it well below the Accord. Heck, even the Altima has been rated above the Maxima. Regardless what the Maxima costs, it is somewhat misplaced (like a lost child). Its price tag may suggest upscale, but its styling and interior feel suggests middle of the road mainstream. Infiniti, on the other hand, is much more stylish, which is Nissan's luxury division that competes with luxury brands such as Honda's Acura division and others. Reliability records show, however, that Honda/Acura builds considerable better quality automobiles than Infiniti.
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