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Acura TL 2009

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  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    1) There is virtually NO torque steer in the TL.
    2) Transmission is silky smooth. Did you want to feel and count every shift?
    3) One of the best styled cars on the road today. And arguably the most "complete" and attractive designs from Honda/Acura besides the early 90s Legend and the NSX (for its day).
  • upstatedocupstatedoc Posts: 710
    My '05 (AT)had no torque steer w/ the summer tires. However, put some winter tires on 'er and watch out! It would pull me into the other lane.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    My 06 has all-seasons and there is no torque steer to complain about. One of the cars, I can actually accelerate while cornering (and I do).
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    Honda is working on a 6AT for acura. Finally people who are begging for a 6AT are going to get it. Next TL should get over 300 HP. SH-AWD might be optional or standard. Not sure if it will be standard but Acura will offer it.

    6AT = 6 Speed auto transmission.
  • keithlkeithl Posts: 106
    Well with Honda's horrible reputation for 6 cylinder autmatics, I will wait a year or 2 before I beta test that one for them.
  • 1) If the TL had no torque steer, why does the Acura web site claim they have solved the torque steer problem for 2008? Maybe there won't be torque steer for 2008 and beyond, but that remains to be seen (felt).
    2) Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Lexus, Lincoln, Mercedes, and even VW all offer 6, 7, or even 8 speed automatics. My 2004 Maxima had a silky smooth 5 speed. I expect a little more in the transmission of a luxury car.
    3) The design of the TL will not be complete and attractive until they clean up that rear end like they did for the RL.
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    The manual TL, particularly the manual TL-S, does have some torque steer, but the automatic TL has no discernible torque steer to speak of. You should know about torque steer since you own a Maxima. I know because I owned one and sold it and bought a TL instead. Personally, I think the TL's overall style is very attractive, much more so than the Maxima.
  • Just traded my 2005 TL (automatic) for a new Lexus IS350.
    Main reason? Torque steer. Drove me nuts.
    Summer tires, all weather, no difference.

    Every front wheel drive has torque steer. The only question is how much. With as much power as the TL has, it was too much for me.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Nothing too unusual- it's a spyshot. What did you expect?
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    Remains to be seen whether or not they will at least put a 6sp auto tranny in the 4GTL. Hopefully, they will offer a 6MT as well, otherwise I'll be looking elsewhere for a replacement for my 05. Personally, the TL is the best looking car in the segment. Obviously, this is very subjective.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I think most people expect 6 (or more) speeds in their automatic without actually understanding the point. As it is now, the 5AT in TL has virtually seamless shifting, short low gear to get off the line well, and tall enough to deliver 32 mpg at 72-73 mpg. I don’t see a point to putting 6AT for namesake. With FWD configuration, there is little to no “real” advantage. With SH-AWD, it becomes a must have.

    Recently, I compared one of Acura’s 5AT, Honda’s 5AT (in the new Accord) and Lexus/Toyota front-drive 6AT, and arrived at a conclusion that the Acura 5AT would have been the best transmission choice for the new Accord, better than the 6AT in Lexus ES350. Why? Because the way ratios are set up, also considering the needs of a powerful front driver, and the need to accelerate once rolling (mild acceleration from top gear and aggressive acceleration from top gear).

    As for torque steer, there is virtually none in my 2006. It is an easy car to accelerate while cornering. Even TL-S 6MT is said to not exhibit torque steer (it has an engine/transmission combination that delivers a lot of thrust and 90% of it at just 2000 rpm).

    I do expect next TL to have 6AT however. But I think TSX would benefit more from it than TL would unless SH-AWD were a part of the picture, in which case the low gears will have to be geared shorter (a weakness in RL) and have room for a tall top gear.

    I wonder why Infiniti has stuck with 5AT (and Lexus on its RX350).
  • Why would Acura claim to have corrected a problem that doesn't exist?

    (I used to own a 2004 Maxima)
  • It was a joke. Lighten up.
  • I tried the IS350 & the GS350. Very nice cars, but my head touches the sunroof on both of them. I guess I will try the 08 CTS next.
  • Yeah, the TL was roomier, that is true. In a Lexus you don't wanna be taller than 6'1", unless you have long arms :-)
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    I think the mention of torque steer is a carryover (i.e. continuation) from the 05/06 announcement, which stated the torque steer in the 04 manual TL (first year of 3rd gen TL) had been corrected or reduced. So, its continued existence in the 08 TL advertisement does not mean there was torque steer in the 05-07 versions.

    How would you compare the torque steer in the 04 Max with that in the TL? What year TL (manual or auto) did you test drive? What car do you own now, if any?
  • I gauge torque steer by how the car behaves when I have about 4 seconds to get by a semi on a two lane road before becoming road kill on the grill of the oncoming semi. The Maxima scared the s**t out of me. It was so bad I wondered if I would end up in the ditch or under the wheels of the semi I was passing.

    I tested the 06 Acura. I put a down payment on an MB C350, but when they failed to deliver, I went out and bought an 06 Passat 3.6L. It had the least torque steer of any FWD with 250 or more HP.
  • I completely agree with you regarding 5AT vs. 6AT. The 5AT is great for Honda and Acura's FWD layout, but I can see its disadvantages when SH-AWD is applied. I think the 5AT will continue to serve the basic Honda and Acuras well. Too many people are just obsessed with larger trannys with more gears.

    As for torque steer... I drive an '03 CL-S 6-speed, and given a smooth stretch of pavement, I have never noticed or felt any hint of torque steer.

    Good observations robertsmx
  • Apparently you and I are the only 2 writers on this thread that even know what torque steer is. I was beginning to think I imagined it when I took my test drive, so I "googled" "Acura TL torque steer", and found that virtually every professional driver who tested the car for years 05, 06, & 07 agrees it has torque steer.

    No sense engaging in further discussion with folks who don't have a clue.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    No sense engaging in further discussion with folks who don't have a clue.

    You're right... when googling ends up being a way to dig up a torque steer issue. :)
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