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Acura TL 2009

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  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    As I left home with my 2010 TL Tech, SH-AWD, And went On Vacation, I arrived in Spokane at Enterprise car rental.. All they had was a 2009 Chevy Impala... OK, Full size car, $220 for an entire week, but after 850 Miles of painstaking driving, I was so glad to get back home to the Acura! I mean this Impala, was so uncomfortable it was just darn awful and it was hard to drive.. I guess this must be how GM stayed in Business with the Rental Car business, Make a car to last 35K and then hope for the best. Just trying to keep the temperature in the car at 70 was a challenge in itself! Mine had 33K on it, and it had a lot of things broken on the car, but heck, it did get 28 MPG! :)
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    rlonn1, no offense, but how come your posts are always in bold? :confuse: Is it something wrong with the setting in your computer, or is it your habit to talk in loud voice? Please do everyone a favor and use the normal font. ;)
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    And, if you look at performance aspect of the car, it is on par with BMW and better than Infiniti except only in the 0-60 and to 1/4 mile time.

    we are talking about the TL correct?? its a number 4 car on this list of 4 because its not a drivers car- but against its real comp (the lexus ES, buick, Saab, Ford) its a really good car. For what people consider sports cars go to your nearest track and see what they run.- you'd be hard pressed to find a modern acura. (prob see some cool integra GS-R's and TYPE Rs, maybe an NSX)--

    Would love to know how many new TL -AWD are being sold-- and the % that are manuals. Are people shopping the TL vs BMW/infinti--? I would bet most of the TL sales are aged 45 and over -and the bulk of the TL's come in standard accord form-- FWD.
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    For me it is easier to read, but I can go back to normal font, makes no difference to me. :) :) :)
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    proe....I think anyone that focuses on trace work, like the trade rags do, probably would wear out any mass produced car in fairly short order. I know a lot of the trades have commented on how the darling of the sports sedan ratings....the 335i, have also found that there are some issues with the turbos and how the BMWs revert to "limp" mode while testing.

    They still love the car, though.

    Fact is, living with a car over a long period of time isn't the focus of most of these comparisons.

    Bottom line, the TL is fast...especially in SH AWD guise. Is it the fastest? No. But, few buy a car strictly to do stoplight to stoplight type of driving. If I were one of those types (and I have been in the distant past), I'd be in a 'vette, a Mustang, or a Camaro.

    Owners know how they handle, which is among the best sports sedans on the market (SH AWD). Comfort....build....features....quality of materials....all are also part of the package (again, among the best).

    Again, I think the TL is more of a competitor to the 5 series, the Infiniti M, etc.

    R&T, C&D, or any of the other rags have ever influenced what I buy. Interesting to read, but I don't buy cars based on their opinions. That's up to me, and me alone.
  • proeproe Posts: 157
    graphicguy,
    R&T, C&D, or any of the other rags have ever influenced what I buy. Interesting to read, but I don't buy cars based on their opinions. That's up to me, and me alone.
    Same here. I dont buy any car solely based on what they say. It surely is nice to know that the car I bought gets high marks. It it does not, so what, as long as it gets me from point A to point B safely.

    BTW, saw a 2009 yellow Gallardo LP560-4 broken down on side of the road around Del Mar in San Diego yesterday.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    Oooooohhhhh....a Gallardo....only seen pictures, never in person. I can't imagine what a service bill on a Gallardo would be. :sick:

    Being a former autox-er, and a guy who did some bracket racing many years ago, I can tell you the cars that do best on a track aren't ones I'd like to drive on a day-to-day basis. If your goal is to win the stoplight wars, you're going to want something that has as much torque off the line as you can get (ordinarily a V8). That's why I recommend the Mustangs, Camaros, etc. They won't be cars you'd like to take on a long trip, though.

    I've never known anyone who's been happy buying a car based solely on a trade rag review. Those places have a car for a few hours, maybe a few days. Living with a car for 3-4-5, even 8-9 years, having that trade rag review isn't going to tell you how much you'll enjoy the car down the road.

    These are all very sophisticated machines, designed to go 150K miles (and beyond). We expect them to hold up well in that time....and to be relatively trouble free (aside from routine maintenance). Honda and Acura excel at that. Personally, I think Honda/Acura make some of the most sophisticated drivetrains currently on the road. You can beat them senseless, and they just keep coming back for more. In the process, they ride, handle well, built with high quality materials, and bolted together extremely well. They're fast, to boot. They don't do one thing the best. They do everything well, however.

    I know you ask the folks who have Audis or BMWs (of which I've had a couple), most of them will tell you that while the warranty is still in effect, they're great. Past that, dig deep into your wallet.

    Even the Infiniti, as I mentioned before, I liked it a lot. But, talking to their service people, 30K, 60K, etc mile routines are costly (over $1,000). Plus, they require you to get simple things like oil changes every 3,500 miles, for anything except the gentlest of driving. If there was one thing that steered me to the Acura over the Infiniti, it was the transmission. Being a 7 speed, it seemed to be hunting constantly for the right cog. The other part which steered me clear of the G were the seats. To get the handling I wanted, and the handling that closely matched the TL SH AWD, I had to go with the "s" package for the G37x. The seats were uncomfortable for me (I'm 5'10", ~175 lbs....so not a big person), and it rode HARD in comparison.

    Again, not saying the G is a bad car. It's a very good car. For me, it didn't quite "fit the bill" as well as the TL SH AWD.

    Whichever you choose, for whatever the reason(s), these are all very good performing cars. Said it before, there are no "bad choices" between the two.
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    Because people 45 and older can afford the TL AWD.I am still in my thirties and I bought one because I make enough. ACURA specifically said so in their brochure that they are targeting household that makes 150K or more for this car.
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    congrats at being in your 30's and able to afford an older mans car-- good stuff- nice that you included the last line for no real reason what so ever- make sure you put some money into your 401k and not just your lease payments.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    edited March 2010
    sween.....gotta say, taking pot shots, for no apparent good reason, doesn't serve you well. Don't know your age. And, it doesn't matter. You'll find out soon enough that the prestige of the car doesn't define the prestige of the man.

    I'm trying to figure out why exactly you're here. You don't appreciate Acuras, or at least the TL. I'm OK with that.

    It befuddles me what you do like.....maybe Cobalts with big spoilers on them? You ever do any track time (and not the stoplight to stoplight variety)? Any "autox"? Ever participate in any rallies? Ever do a teardown of a small block, and rebuild it to run in the 12s? Do you even know what any of that means?

    Or, do you think that dark tinted windows makes your car handle better? Maybe some chrome spinner wheels that makes your car go faster?

    You'll appreciate your 401K comment soon enough (sooner than you realize).
  • ChasboyChasboy Posts: 186
    Gotta agree with Graphicguy, Billy and Proe regarding performance and living with the TL on a daily basis. We drove every competing car listed in the various magazine comparo's. My wife refused to drive the Infiniti because she thinks it's ugly. We were going to buy another Bimmer if the other brands showed no attributes to make us feel otherwise. The interior of the IS250 was miniscule, the Merc C300 small, the A4 was nothing to be excited about for the inflated price, the ES350 to soft for 61 year old 'hipsters' like ourselves, and the Bimmer, tho' improved, was pricey, still too small and the interior was boring. BOTH of us enjoyed the attributes of our '02 325 and drove it like a Bimmer should be driven.
    We then drove the Acura AWD, and it blew everything else out of the water, AND gave us the room of a 5 series for a price less than the 3 series. I get excited, even after 10k miles, each time I drive it. :)
    As for the pot shots, I allowed myself to react without thinking clearly on a related thread and caused some angst that was inappropriate to this type of discourse and lost a forum friend because of it. I regret those actions. I suggest that demeaning remarks of any kind should not make their way to our keyboards. :(
    btw, a good friend of mine who is retiring in a few months has 4 cars...just of his own, all brand new. A Hummer H3, a Mustang KR, Challenger Hemi RT, and a full boat Camaro. All black. He is selling the Challenger and Camaro. Sure wish I had a garage...with 4 bays. (I would love to have my RV at home and covered where she belongs) :cry:
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    Chasboy, OH!!! You are so Right On!! You nearly took the words right out of my mouth... I only have 725 Miles on my TL-SHAWD, but I agree with the part about every time you get in the car!!! If you Do Not own this car or have never driven one, and all you have in ones defense is the style of the car, one should ask, why bother being her on this site??
    Quick Question, when you go from CD or XM, or HDD to the AM-FM radio, is the audio level nearly the same, or Like Mine, the audio drops a lot in volume? For the XM-HD the audio is comfortably set at around 8, but on AM-FM I have to crank it up to 14-15..
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    Looks like another San Diego person on this site with a SH-AWD TL, Hello from East County and the fun roads of the Back Country to drive.. Your comment about the press and how they report cars is valid! Yesterday Consumer Report came out with its top 4 family sedans, and I was surprised to see that MPG, safety was not even a consideration, but rather VSA was,,, The had VW, Chevy, Haundi and I don't recall the other one... I just scratched my head since a vehicle to be a top 4 pick must take into account a LOT of different aspects of the car...

    Back in 2004 I was almost going to pull the string on a Nissan Murano, went to the blog and it was hundreds of pages of ISSUES with the SUV in particular the CVS transmission, plus over 13 TSA.. I like the styling of the Murano..

    I then went over to check out the Honda Pilot on its blog... No less then 3 pages of comments and most were related to the tires and stiff ride! But no TSA and no real complaints. In the end I purchased the Pilot and not only was the ride fine, I just went to Costco for a new set of tires at 79K, comments were that I would only get 40K... I loves the Pilot, Zero Problems, and never looked back at Nissan.. I almost went after the Maxima but after a test drive and annoying Torque Steer, got turned off fast..

    My wife is happy with her 2009 TSX, I love my 2010 TL, the Pilot is going to become my 3rd car for weekend use-- Going to the movies where the car will sit for hours, home depot and bringing home treasures from Kolbys Swap Meet and when family visits from out of town... My 1995, 148K Nissan Quest is being sold this week...

    Cars become a piece of you after sharing time for thousands of miles.. I am confident that both Acura will serve my wife and I well and into retirement in 4 or 5 years...

    Have a great day.... Rain on the way for San Diego, darn, just cleaned the cars! :cry:
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I notice that too- maybe its the reception.I listen mostly to the HDD, too much commercial and chit chatter on the radio stations (including satellite radio).
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    edited March 2010
    rlonn...there's a setting in "audio" that allows for it compensate for different noise levels in the car. I have mine set to "off" as it bugs me. If I want it louder (or softer), I'll turn the vol up or down.

    There is a discrepancy in volume levels though. I find DVD-Audio disks to play louder than regular CDs. Just like the volume levels on XM/AM/FM to be different.

    For example, there are some DVD Audio disks (5.1 surround sound) that I can't play at anything above "16". There are some XM stations that I'll crank it up to "20". HDD is pretty consistent. I'm still loading my hard drive. It holds a whole lot.

    BTW, if you haven't done so already, also go into the "audio settings" and choose "Dolby PL II" to get simulated surround from your stereo sources (like CDs, XM, terrestrial radio, HDD).
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    Chas....I don't have any problems with someone who says "hey, I don't like the TL's styling". Different stroke/different folks, and all of that.

    But, at least have some cred when it comes down to trying to compare cars. If someone has no idea or experience with any given car, or how a car performs....well, as the saying goes, "better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I have not had a chance to buy DVD-A, there is one that came with the car that sounds pretty awesome- the music criteria is not my style though.I will try to find some time over this holiday weekend to pick up a Bob Marley DVD-A that Best Buy has to offer. Other than the one that came with the car, is the DVD-A quality really worlds apart from the regular CD?
    I have so many CD'S to load up I am not even a third through my selection and I have owned the car approaching eight months now. I bought a ton of CD'S when I was in college and living the bachelor life after college.
  • proeproe Posts: 157
    edited March 2010
    I wish I am driving TL SH WAD now, but I can still imagine my 2002 Honda Accord with 160,000 miles can run with it :P

    I dont like Nissan as I blew the transmission after, I think, 100,000 miles.

    Across the family, we have 4 Honda Accord. Sold 1996 Accord couple years ago, 2002, 2007 and 2009 Accord.

    None of them ever gives us any problem including my poor Accord that has been abused by me from time to time.

    Never understand how could anyone attach to his car(s) until past 2 years after driving it for 6 years. That is one reason why I will try to drive it for another 2 years or just keep driving it until either the transmission or engine starts to give me problems. At the current rate, I think I get a very good shot to put 300,000 miles on it. Keep my fingers cross ;)
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    edited March 2010
    graPHICSGUY,

    The original reason I started reading the TL blog was to see what owners thought of the car- but in doing my own research about the car and comparing it to its peers I was taken back by how new TL owners could love such a rig. In standard form its a large accord-- a good car but no better then a V6 accord plus extra lbs and thousands of extra dollars for a front drive- 5 speed auto-. AWD version huge upgrade-- but again I ask how many are they selling?? whos buying them? -- how many are 6speeds? Acura was last to the market with this new TL and it still comes with a 5 speed auto.
    That being said I wish all owners of the TL a safe trip on the local turnpikes.

    your questions, funny and entertaining but a bit of a stretch - one answer YES Lime rock CT - did a advanced driving school with track time -- you should try it -- while your there watch some of the club racing events - good time
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    billy,,,proe,

    DVD-A is essentially a "hi-rez" format that never caught on....just like SACD. The TL tech package can read and play those disks, in addition to DTS surround sound disks. They are usually found on "audiophile" sites (my favorite is acousticsounds.com).

    I am a big fan of the format. I actually have some DVD-A and DTS disks that are out of print. The best one I've heard is "Yes"-Roundabout. It's out of print (and sells for big $ on the used market). But, there are others still in print. If you get a chance, pick a few up to hear the difference. They're pretty amazing.

    proe...quick question. Assuming from your "name", you're an engineer who's a Pro/Engineer expert?
  • mocozekemocozeke Posts: 1
    My 2003 just passed 133,000 miles. I have loved it since the day I bought it. I dd not like the 2004 redesign or the 2009 redesign. When I see the back of one, the only thng I think of is "have a nice day" de to the labels on each side, the logo in the middle and the big smiling trunk. [front smiles too] However, I may look past the exterior. I had not wanted to even go for a test drive due to the outside. I test drive ES and that stunk, test drove the Genesis (I like it, wife did not), looked at used A6 and E350 and have not found anything as nice as my old TL. Did anybodyown th 2003 and how does 2010 compare to that? Thanx
  • proeproe Posts: 157
    Graphicguy,
    I used to use Pro Engineer to design fairing for HPV, Human Power Vehicle, as my senior project and create 2D cable drawings using Proe when I worked part time at Palomar Technologies, and worked part time at PTC for couple months testing software back in my college days about 10 years back.

    Ah, creating 2D drawings using surfacing was so much "fun" to say the least.........

    Well, I would not called myself an export back then ;)

    Good old days...........
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    mocozeke....I had an '04 TL, and currently have a 2010 TL SH AWD. The '04 was the 3rd generation. The '03 was the 2nd generation.

    Pretty big differences between those and the current 4th generation. Bigger motors, more HP, better interiors, better suspension, etc. They all employ double wishbone suspension (pioneered by Honda) and multi-link rear. Most bigger sports sedans use the multi-link rear in their larger offerings.

    Performance, give or take (SH AWD),

    5-speed automatic..
    0-60=5.5 secs

    6-speed manual
    0-60=5.2 secs

    Both will run the 1/4 mile in the mid 13s.

    Other upgrades....fluid filled engine mounts. Upgraded brakes with cooling ducts (SH AWD).

    Don't know how much you know about Acura's SH AWD. But, in essence, it is capable of shifting torque, not only front to back (as most AWD systems do). But, it can also transfer torque side to side, too.

    In short, it handles worlds better than my former '04 TL. It's a bunch faster, too.

    Those are the highlights. In order to understand how they feel, you really should test drive one. It's very "tossable", and inspires confidence, regardless of road or its condition. Going into corners, at speed, instead of swinging out it's tail, or understeering, it remains flat. It also bites down in corners as it shifts torque front to back and side to side. It's extremely hard to upset it (short of the laws of physics).

    Every tech feature you can think of comes standard in the tech package on either the base or SH AWD version. Keyless entry, pushbutton start/stop, probably the best OEM stereo I've heard in any car, regardless of price. Auto climate control. Blue Tooth phone. Nav with weather and traffic guides. Very, very nice sport seats (SH AWD).

    If you live in a climate that is wet, or gets snow, I'd probably stay away from the HPT tire option. Even with SH AWD, those wheels/tires are not good in wet/snow. Plus, they make the ride border on harsh. The standard wheels/tires to a good all around job.

    Hope that helps.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    proe, it's been awhile, but in the past, I've used SolidWorks when I had a hand in doing some industrial design work. I liked that package.

    Most of what I've had experience in has been in the 2D world, though.

    I've always been curious about PTC. Their sales people were always over bearing. Based on that alone, I never recommended using Pro/E.
  • ChasboyChasboy Posts: 186
    edited March 2010
    Stereo: It is great, but I hate to admit it, but I think the unit in my Honda Element is a tad better! :confuse: maybe it has to do with all the "reverb room' in it, but the sub woofer has more 'boom' than the one in the TL. I haven't noticed much difference in the sound level when changing modes, but I listen to AM most of the time, so don't go by me. ;)

    sween, you could not be more wrong about the base TL. Honda has done a great job separating their lines, and the TL does not have a 'Honda equivalent'' as the ES 350 is to the Camry. The TSX is based on the European Accord, but that is as close as it gets.
    Statistics, real or imagined do not cause one to love a car, living with it does.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    The Lime Rock facility that "sween" referred to runs "open wheel" cars in their "race" courses. Lot different than any car you drive on the street.

    Setting a car up for track, as in auto-cross events or bracket racing (straight 1/4 mile runs) is quite a bit different than finding a good handling car on the street.

    Comparing a TL to the ES350, or any type of cars of that ilk, I've ever driven means that someone hasn't really driven the TL. Even the TSX, the previous RSX, or even any of the "S-type" Acura versions (all of which were FWD (which is something difficult to autox) won't tell you very much about how it performs on the street.

    Even great FWD handling cars (like the Mazdaspeed 3) will not be able to mimic what the TL can do. Given that the TL (SH AWD) is so much bigger and heavier, makes it even more amazing.

    Cars of this ilk, like the BMW xDrives & Audi Quattros, along with the TL SH AWD are amazing vehicles. But, those who like the ride/handling of a Lexus ES aren't going to like any of the afore mentioned models. They all handle much better, but they all ride much firmer, too (not harsh, but firmer).

    To each their own, though.

    The weather's broken here. It was a sunny, crisp day yesterday. So, I took the long way around while running errands last night. Hit some scenic twisty roads. I know I've only had my TL for a little less than a month. But, it's hard to upset it. Matter of fact, regardless of how "hot" I went into a corner, it would just "bite" and hold its line.

    Given the same roads, an ES would fall all over itself, even if you could gain any feedback through the steering wheel. NO doubt I would have put an ES in the bushes doing the same type of driving on the same roads.
  • Just picked up a beautiful 2010 base TL in Basque Red. The car looks great but I can't stand the way my Pennsylvania license plate (yellow, white, blue) looks in the back, and the bolts holding it on look terrible. Does anyone know of a nice license plate frame in a metal similar the the brushed metal on the rest of the car?

    Thanks!
    :cry:
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    edited April 2010
    as "Graphics" guy mentioned Lime Rock does run "open wheel" cars on the "race" track-- but what he failed to mention they also have "club" events and an "auto" cross course. In this setup normal cars-- BMW's, Minis, Audis and others can join in the fun and put the street legal cars to the test.

    Standard TL = Lexus ES-- both are based on Accord/Camry- both FWD, both auto, both heavy, both V6- same class, same price range- acura is clearly targeting the ES with this TL-

    I would bet if you asked an acura dealer he would say he misses the OLD TL and by the looks of the sales data on wiki the public agrees.
    sales:
    2006 71,348
    2007 58,545
    2008 48,766
    2009 33,620 (new model)

    (i'm sure you could add another 10k cars if the economy was better -- but numbers tell the story)

    again the AWD is a "huge" step up - i'm sure it "bits" in the corners-- but how many of the 33k plus TL's sold came in AWD form-? """""""""""""" """ "" '" "" "

    this company needs a redbull quick-- the zdx-- what are they doing
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,318
    edited April 2010
    EVERYBODY...every model (save for Suzuki, Hyundai/Kia, Subaru) lost their [non-permissible content removed] in 2009. Any brand/model who introduced a new (or totally revamped model) did so in an economic climate that was poor.

    BMW was down. Infiniti was down. Audi was down. In short, 2009 was bad for the car business in general.

    We hope (they hope) that things are revived for 2010. But, nobody who makes cars is having a heyday....except for a few peripheral brands (or those which are heavily discounted).

    No reflection on some worthwhile efforts (like the TL). The economy killed most of them.

    Sween....Limerock runs Mazda RX 8s, Mazdaspeed 3s, etc for their basic driving courses (Barber). So, which one did you participate in? Open wheel? Or basic driving? I used to own an RX8 by the way. Did you drive one of those? Which course did you take? Have you ever driven a TL?
  • sweendogysweendogy Left lanePosts: 1,176
    edited April 2010
    Graphics guy-- i read the papers- thats why i mentioned the economy.. but would they have sold 2x ?

    I did a skipbarber 2 day HP program- pretty cool - drove a 911 and a cayman - plus a 3 series. The basic has the mazda products. you should check it out if your in the area or near one of these programs-

    TL- i have driven it-- not in AWD form - a coworker and I traded for a weekend. really cool technology- lots going on on the dash - good power. Nice safe car. Not a hint of sport in standard form- like the ES. congrats on the new rig-- take it easy on the twists.
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