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Acura TL 2009

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  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    Going forward- I will ignore anything you have to say, I think you have a personal vendetta against the better car maker.
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    I have both XM radio and NavTraffic. I have three subscriptions. XM only for the wife 2009 TSX, The works in the 2010 TL and XM for my Pioneer XMP3 portable... Lots of DEALS when getting XM. If you search around you can still get XM for $77 a year, mine on all 3 radios, and XM traffic-Weather for as low as $17 a quarter.. I won't go into how to get these prices but just search the internet if you are interested. Heck, I live in San Diego where the temperature is like 70 degrees all the time, does not rain that much, but still find the Weather a nice plus to have. Traffic has been a big plus. Every day when I drive to work I punch in my destination. Only takes me 20 minutes and I know how to get to work so why do this? Once the destination is set, the Traffic function becomes automatically activated, and will alert you to any issues along the route or at the push of a button. The same for weather alerts and it may not be raining in San Diego but WIND WARNINGS is a big thing here. For 2011,2012 TL changes, I see the posability of the Navigation screen or weather screens being changed to a more detailed, Colorful, display and possibly a few other things as well. This is all done with Software so it is easy to do. Car now has 2300 miles, just past 90 days old, and it is as much fun to drive today as it was when I first got it. Escort 9500iX radar detector is doing its job, nothing but complements on the style, color and when they sit inside the car, they just cant refrain from touching everything inside. The SH-AWD with Tech Package is a Sweet Combination. :) :) :)
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    Well, you always have someone who hangs out in a forum that rubs people the wrong way... OK, lets talk Engineering and a few other things. As a world famous antique radio collector I can tell you that engineering is something that makes a individual company stand out. It is true that Sony, Grundig, Panasonic, Lowe, AOR, Collins all make Short Wave Radios, and they all play audio out the speaker, that is about as common as it gets. Many of my radios are 40-50 years old and most of the ones that were well engineered and was careful on what components were selected have shown over time that they can work today as good as they did when they were new!

    Most people don't look, as an example, Under the hood of the GPS-Nav system but the way it is designed, engineered, Quality Assurance of the making of the PC board will result in reliability and overall performance. As an RF engineer I can tell you that for reliable XM radio reception or GPS reception the Antenna that is on the car makes a big difference.

    Before I got the TL I tried a few other voice activated systems, including the Torus SHO... The Acura voice regonition system was more responsive and Got It Right more times.. This is all about engineering! The SH-AWD will only work right if the engineers who designed it did their homework, and the parts that drive the system both mechanical and the electronics behind the system were well engineered and when manufactured met the highest QC standards.

    ISO 9002 is a sign of how well this take place at the factory! Honda, Acura, ISO-9002, Toyota 9002, Nissan, Sorry 9001, KIA USA, none, Cadillac 9001 and many factories and Parts company have NO ISO ratings.

    Honda Of America insist on a ISO rating for all its suppliers. ISO rating = Quality.. BMW, Benz Sorry, ISO-9001... Search the Internet for ISO-9002 for more information..

    Isn't it nice Acura Owners or Honda Owners to get into your car, day after day, 10K miles after 10K miles and it just all works... :) :) :)
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    Ah.....OK.....now I understand. I thought you were really interested in the TL or the Buick. The real reason you're here is to insult other people's rides.

    Explains a lot of the statements you made that just didn't make sense.

    Sween you must be more than just a little interested in the TL given the amount of time you spend here.

    Since you don't own a TL, and don't seem to have any intent of owning one, may I steer you to the Infiniti G or Buick LaCrosse threads....two cars that you do seem quite interested in.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    sorry you feel that way- wish i was able to express how sorry i am. I thought my statements did make sense and were backed up by fact but I guess not. TL is a good car - but in my opinion there are better options as noted by every major car publication. I hope the TL treats you to many worry free miles.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    sween....those of us who are owners, or those of us who are considering the TL don't see it the same way. Insulting the cars, their owners, or those who are possibly considering being a TL owner, for whatever reason, from someone who owns the TL's main competition (the G) rings hollow, at least to me.

    Again, if you're interested in Buicks and Infinitis, there are threads for both where your views may be viewed more palpable.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    again i'm sorry you see my comments are insults to your car- again I am sorry if they come across that way. I think its important not to cloud these chats with gushing reviews of cars with out rebut-as you said others are considering buying this car should get the other side of the story.
  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 78
    There are very few purchases we make that are more subjective than an automobile purchase. I, as many others do, read the professional reviews and forums, such as this one, as an assist in making the most informed decision I can when purchasing or leasing a new car. But when it comes down to it, I don't just make a decision based on what Car and Driver or an Edmunds professional reviewer says about the TL or any other car out there. Nor do I pay special attention to what individuals in forums such as this say or don't say about a specific model. It is all part of a process. So much of a decision comes down to a gut feeling on how that car fits my own specific criteria. And my criteria will be different than someone elses who chose the same car.

    I leased a new TL because the car was the best fit to what I was looking for. I am happy with my choice as those who have purchased other models such a the Infiniti G are happy with their choice.

    And the only thing I regret is that the process is now over. I really enjoy the whole car buying experience. Test drving a dozen models, researching the information in the Internet, negotiating the final deal. It is always fun for me!
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    marcus...I concur. The trade rags are one thing.....mostly track testing. Tell me how the car is to live with day-to-day, it's reliability, it's driving characteristics on the road (not on the track). Then, I look for people who actually own the car (in this case, the TL) to see what they think of driving it every day. That's where the real worth of a thread like this comes in.....experiences from owners.

    I can get all the Infiniti bashing I can stand at places like Temple of Vtech. That doesn't really tell me much, though. Trashing a model that someone doesn't own isn't really a help here.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    I agree with grafguy thats why I would consider consumer reports a better resource then this chat- unbiased - they buy the cars -test them in real world and have customer feedback for every car of the last 10 years - both new and old-- they also do not censor what they say - unlike what is posted here.

    Getting back to the action-- Brakes question for SHAWD versions - how long are you seeing before you need to swap them out?? reason for this question is my 07 g35x with 22k miles and last oil change the dealer told me my back brakes would prob last another 4k miles..
  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 78
    Yeah, I won't trash another person's automobile choice. Car buying is a personal - subjective thing. I will free free to provide honest feedback on my specific experience with the TL, but won't offer any thoughts on someone elses ride. So far after three weeks, I am totally satisfied with my TL SH-AWD. If I had a nit, it would be that I have accidently turned on the seat heaters several times. The type of switch and location of the seat heater buttons makes it somewhat easy to accidently turn them on. Not too comfortable on 85 degree days with the AC blazing. But, that is a real nit pick. No big deal.

    Regarding the car mags, I do read them for some insight, but it is amazing how the reviews on the TL were all over the board. One reviewer thought the ride was way too stiff, another not stiff enough. Again this information is just part of the process. And yes, Consumer Reports is also a very good source of information. The more information one can gather from all types of sources, the more informed the decision will be.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    marcus.....LOL, I've actually done that too....turned on the seat heaters accidentally. You realize what's going on real quickly when that happens.

    I found I don't put anything on the middle console anymore. That way, I eliminated turning them on.

    I know what you mean with the media's opinion. While you can say that about their opinion about many different makes and models, for years the media complained about the ultra conservative styling of Acuras. Acura starts their "edgy" stying campaign across the board, and they received other detractors. I guess you can't win them all. I know some who will never buy a BMW again because of the "Bangle" styling of the last generations of BMW.

    One thing most agree on, the TL is a speedy, nice handling sports luxury car. Move up to the SH AWD and it turns into a different animal entirely.

    This is my 2nd one, and by far one of the most rewarding driving experiences I've ever encountered (including a couple of BMWs).
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    agree that bmw (certainly the 5/7 series) had issues with its last styling-- but BMW has noticed what people are saying and has made steps to fix the problem. The new five/seven are once again good looking--still not the classic 5/7 from the early to mid 90's. Lets hope acura follows BmW and fixes the problems with the styling of its "edgy" line of cars-- maybe a coupe or an AWD flagship.. come on acura
  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 78
    During my purchase process, I looked at the 5 series and did an extensive test drive in 528 and 535 AWD versions. Now these were the outgoing models, not the new ones. Great Driver's cars. BMW has a way of combining great handling and refinement like no one else. However, the pricing was so much higher, I just couldn't justify a lease payment of $250 or $300+ more per month. Yeah, maintenance is included during the lease term and that does mean something, but the TL is pretty close to the BMW in driving dynamics, the interior is comparable, the TL has more interior room, and I like the edgy styling. When you factor in "value" the TL is very hard to beat.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    We definitely agree on the BMW styling points. I used to think their exterior styling was rather bland and boring and nothing that really stood out from the crowd more than the emblem with the name at the edge of the hood, but I think that BMW has begun to head in a more aggressive styling direction and am finally beginning to like the styling they are coming out with.

    I'm still not crazy about the interior but I could live with it, I just wish they would get rid of that ugly orange dash and console lighting on their non-sport models and switch to a white/blue lighting! Infiniti got a lot of slack years ago for the yellow-orange lighting they used why isn't BMW? I think it would be nice to differentiate their models by keeping the orange console/dash lighting on their sport coupes and sport performance models, but have a more luxury oriented white/blue lighting on their sedans.

    Just my two cents
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    I actually like BMWs. Have owned 2 of them (3 Series). In the warranty period, yeah they take some time in the service bay. But, my dealership was really good. They'd pick my car up. They'd give me a loaner car. When service was finished, they'd bring it to my home or office, and pick up their loaner.

    Now, after the warranty? That was the killer. They'd still come pick up and drop off my car. But, maintenance and charges for failed components were pretty outrageous. The total would always be 2X-3X the cost for the same service/parts/labor for an Acura.

    That didn't make them any less fun to drive cars. Just inexplicably less reliable and more expensive to maintain than my Acura.

    I looked at a '10 5 series while shopping for my TL. All loaded up, it was just a bit more than the 3 Series, but still at least $10K more than the TL SH AWD. I think all loaded up, like for like to a TL SH AWD w/tech was in that $51K range (about $10K off MSRP), after negotiations. Because of its size and performance, I think the 5 Series mirrors closely to the TL SH AWD.

    Surprisingly, I looked at the Taurus SHO. Almost exactly the same price (negotiated) as a TL SH AWD. It's a pretty amazing car. Still, it was extremely heavy, and despite all the HP, you could feel the heft (and not in a good way). Plus, although better, the quality of materials and build aren't up to Acura's standards. They're getting there. They just aren't there, yet.

    However, if you're looking for a stop light warrior/boulevard cruiser, a SHO looks attractive in those roles.

    TL is unique in the market place. As most Acuras are, they don't excel in any single category, yet is a good (sometimes best) car in every category.
  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 78
    I agree, BMW's are wonderful cars, but for my wallet, they are too pricey, especially when their are choices like the TL, that, in my opinion, is comparable to the 5 Series in most respects.

    I, too, test drove and considered the Ford SHO. I came from a 2001 Lexus LS 430 that I had bought used about 4 years ago, so I was used to a large car. Personally, I really liked the Taurus. Great combination of decent handling for a big car and refinement. And, wow, what an engine! The twin turbo really lit it up on the highway. My issue with the SHO was that the lease cost was about $200 more per month for comparable list price car, down payment and lease terms than my TL SH-AWD. I was shocked at the price difference. Made my decision quite easy.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    edited June 2010
    sometimes best- and unique thats true.

    agree with the last post that its a good deal when your leasing-- but for 51k wow thats sticker shock for acuras midlevel sedan..
  • barryendbarryend Posts: 121
    The Audi A4 has a huge trunk, gets 28-30 mpg on the highway and is gorgeous especially if you get the Premium + or Prestige levels with LEDs.Better yet with my 18" wheel sports package or even 19" pothole busters for the brave. If you can live with a bit smaller car you may love it as I do. Give yourself a treat.

    I downsized from a wandering load of an M35X and eschewed the Gorgon faced TL SH-AWD. If Honda outsources their designing to Italy I will look again.

    My last Ford, a Taurus wagon had 2 trannies and they replaced every part in it during my 5 years of ownership. I bought a 100,000 mile factory warranty in 1988 so they lost 5,000 on an 18,000 dollar car. I would sooner forgive Osama.

    I am 68. Too young for a Buick. No handicap tag on my windshield.

    If I wanted value I would Hyundai Genesis 4.6 in a heartbeat. 4 Blizzak winter tires instead of dubious all-seasons and I will go in the snow.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,238
    barry...I looked pretty seriously at both an A4 and an A5.

    I think Audi has moved backwards a step or two on their interiors. The previous A4 interior was nicer than the one in the 2010 (Premium Plus). It was a 4 cyl, though. A Turbo, but still a 4 cyl. It couldn't really compare to the TL SH AWD, IMHO.

    Plus, I'm still not convinced they (VW/Audi) really is all that reliable. That scares me more than anything with Audis. It's going to take a few years before we know if that issue has been addressed.

    As far as lights, etc are concerned, you can bling any car with lights if you really want to (I'm not one of those big bling guys, though).
  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 78
    I gave Audi a very close look. I loved the A6, but it was too pricey for me. Now the A4 was interesting. I drove one and really liked the interior and the over all handling refinement balance. The four banger had excellent power and seemed very smooth to me.The Premium Plus non - nav listed comparably to my TL non-tech SH-AWD. The demise of the A4 for me was the the back seat. Bottom cushion is very low and uncomfortable to me. And it was quite cramped back there for my needs. Any car I own needs to have a reasonably comfortable back seat. I do a fair amount of entertaining with my business, and have people back there quite frequently. The A4 did not meet those requirements, just too small back there. The TL back seat has much more room and is much more comfortable.

    And regarding rear wheel drive and snow tires. I came from a 2001 LS 430 which is rear wheel drive and I put snows on during the Winter months. Living in Northeast Ohio demands decent Winter traction. It helps, but is no substitute for AWD with a set of decent all season tires. I never considered Hyundai Genesis because of rear wheel drive only.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    IMHO- AUDI A4 good AWD machine in standard form - good on gas, great awd grip and not bad with the 6speed (never driven an auto a4) for on and off ramps. In the snow its a beast- better then my G35x-- Backseat a little snug but not bad- car all in all is not a bad rig--does get expensive when loaded up with options.- Love the looks of the A6 - tough to top the way that sedan looks- now comes with navi free.
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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    how many people by the acura tl with a 6 speed manual??

    Take rate: 5 percent
    Odds of a manual TL being sold: 6305 to 1
    Odds of a golfer hitting a hole-in-one: 5000 to 1

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/1004_10_cars_you_didnt_know_you_coul- d_get_with_a_stick/index.html
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    2010,SH-AWD,Tech,, Well, I have become very familiar with the Automatic in the S mode, and using the steering wheel paddles to shift! So I can have fun, and then in stop and go traffic place it back in Auto. I don't think I will ever own a manual transmission again... IMHO... ;)
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,147
    honda/acura makes one of the best sticks in the biz-- the 2000 integra gs-r (car i owned) had a great 5 speed- when in traffic i used to keep it in second gear and work the clutch as traffic slowed- did not bother me one bit and i really miss that car. But with sales numbers for the stick so low its clear whos buying this car - wonder how long acura sticks with the stick.
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    What's your point?
    They had the stick in the previous generation and I think they know how to market this product (manual).
    Your post makes no sense- what are you trying to say- that acura cannot sell a TL with a stick? How many manual G37 has infiniti sold?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876
    Some of the cars on the list with low manual-shift sales numbers were surprising, but it's pretty well-known and not at all shocking that "daily driver" sedans like the TL, the Buick Regal, and the Toyota Camry were on that list. Our salespeople have often remarked that sedans (of any make) with manual shift aren't high sellers or fast movers.

    That's an expose' on par with, "did you know there's mystery meat in most hot dogs?"

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  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    as long as that mystery meat remains a mystery, ignorance is bliss ;) :P
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,876
    Word.

    Still, I exempt any hot dog served at a sporting event from that description. Those are made only of tasty, meaty goodness - a fan-tastic, fan-pleasing delight.

    On topic: No, I didn't know the TL was available in manual shift. The fact that I *now* know that it does, but doesn't sell very well, has been met with ear-piercing silence.

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