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Acura TL 2009

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  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I think I am going to follow your footsteps and keep it simple.
    I will only swap out the license plate bulbs- got them in the mail yesterday.

    Again-thanks.
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    Love to see a before and after picture...
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I think I am going to follow your footsteps and keep it simple.
    I will only swap out the license plate bulbs- got them in the mail yesterday.

    Again-thanks.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    rlonn....don't remember what the Edmunds policy is regarding posting the address of forums outside of Edmunds, but the forum name is Acurazine. You can probably figure out the rest.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    That works. :) We just really don't like solicitation to join other forums, but we realize they exist and the odd mention here or there is fine.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    Don't know how many of us get the Acura magazine ("Style"), but if you do, look for an article about mid way through the most recent issue. It has a very nice write up about a road trip in New Mexico driving a TL SH AWD.

    Also, just thumbed through the most recent AUTOMOBILE magazine at Barnes and Noble. Great article comparing the TL SH AWD to an Audi S4. Bottom line, it was a wash. Audi won some performance parameters, the TL won some. They pretty much declared it a tie. Difference is, the S4 costs about $12K+ more than the TL SH AWD. Good read.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    This from Edmunds....

    "its performance is competitive with that of the BMW 535i xDrive, which runs $10,000-$15,000 more when comparably equipped. And the TL SH-AWD is bigger and more comfortable than the marginally better-performing but pricier Audi S4."

    "Build quality on our test car was exemplary — there were no squeaks or rattles, and everything in the cabin seemed to be put together exceptionally well."

    Only think I disagree with Edmundson is the automatic version's 0-60 times. I've personally tested mine right around 5.7 secs just mashing the gas from a complete stop and having a passenger use a digital stop watch. Don't know if there was a different tuning between the '09 version (which Edmunds said was slower) and the '10 version (which I own).

    All-in-all, another great read.
  • Graphic-
    Although I really dont put much emphasis on 0-60 times, I was kind of taken aback when Edmunds mentioned sixes for the auto TL AWD. Dont hold me to this, but if memory serves me right, I saw in the back pages of Car and Driver magazine that it was in the mid fives.

    There is no difference in the 2009 and 2010 apart from the 6MT, the tuning is the same.
  • gbosilgbosil Posts: 88
    Any news on the next generation TL Type S? Can't seem to find anything. Hope they don't scrap any plans in developing one!! :cry:
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    edited August 2010
    I dunno billy. Maybe there's some different ECU tuning between the '09 and the '10. All I know is that my '10 feels faster than the '09 I test drove when the 4G first came out. Plus, very unofficially, I'd say mine is running 5.7/sec from a dead stop and mashing the gas (with the tranny in sport mode). I don't think using sport mode would make that much of a difference, though.

    6-sp manual should shave a couple of tenths off that, I would think....if you got a good launch and speed shift.

    As you say though, Acuras have never been about 0-60 times. It's the total package that people lay down their cash for.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    gbosil....there's been a lot of talk that the SH AWD is the Type S version of the TL. No one's heard anything about the Type S. From what I've read and heard, the 2011s are going to be the same as the 2010s...maybe some minor tweaks here and there.

    2012 will be the year for a mid-cycle refreshening. Maybe a Type S then?

    That said, it seems like Acura has been buzzing more about a hybrid than anything else, so who knows.
  • Maybe you are right because I never drove the 2010, you drove them both, so I guess you can tell a difference. Took mine over the Tappan Zee Bridge yesterday to a Sate Park, the navigation was directing me in in circles but I knew where I was going. Do you get that sometimes when you know where you are going and its putting you somewhere else?
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    Not sure where the Tappan Zee Bridge is, but I have driven in San Diego, Los Angeles and Las Vegas and the navigation is dead on. Had a road closed in South Las Vegas near the airport for construction, if it was not for the Navigation know telling where I would have landed up, but it got me back to the hotel just fine! I think the BMW in front of me must have had NAV as he and I were going in the same direction!
  • It's in New York. I am not saying it does not get you there but it gets you there in a roundabout way. I have my address programmed in, and at times its taking me all over town just to get home. One more glitch, yesterday when I got off the 287 to get onto the local route there was a sharp curve and the Nav did not tell me to merge right. I ended up back on the Bridge and had to circle back to that same spot to merge right- go figure. Overall though, I am satisfied with it, maybe the kids where getting on my nerves about "Are we there yet."
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    It appears we're from the same neck of the woods. I just moved from Hartsdale to Stamford. What park were you headed for? My wife has a 2010 TSX Tech. There are so many roads that get you to the same place in NY (especially Westchester), but the nav system just sends you the shortest or fastest route.

    Ever try to set your NAV to take you to Jersey? It'll send you down the Deegan, across the Cross Bronx, and over the GW. Which is great if you have 2 hours to waste sitting in traffic. But you know to take the Tappan Zee (does it bother you when traffic people call it "the Tap?") down the Palisades to the Turnpike or Go over the TZ & down the Garden State.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • I was headed to Rockland State Park in Nyack and it was telling me to get off Exit 10 off the 287. This is exit 10 at the start of the 287 right off exit 21 off the 95 south.

    There is another exit 10 right after you get off the Tap.

    That would have put me Purchase or Harrison- go figure.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    That's funny. I never thought of it like that. Big difference between Rye Brook & Nyack. I think 287 (in Westchester) is listed as I-287 on the NAV, while The New York State Thruway (Actually The Governer Tomas E Dewey New York State Thruway) is actually listed as I-87/I-287 on the NAV.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • gbosilgbosil Posts: 88
    Thanks for the input graphic. I was talking to my local Acura tech yesterday and he heard a rumor of 350 - 365 HP Acura TLS 2012. He said just a rumor but nonetheless from the same credible source just before the 2007 TLS was released. I guess we will have to wait and see. He said Acura is always sealed tight on any new projects like Fort Knox! :D I hope they do a better redesign for 2012. I am not diggin the new TL at all! I just purchased a 2010 TSX Tech as a compromise and will hold on to my 07' TLS until the new TL redesign comes out. I can't get over the front grille and rear end! :cry: Sorry guys I am loyal to the Acura brand but the new TL does nothing for me.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    Nothing wrong with a TSX. They're nice cars.

    If you don't like the TL (or any car, for that matter), it's certainly not worth your hard earned dollars.

    I love mine.

    Can't speak to the 2012s. Personally, I don't think the dealers know any more than any of us for the same reason you mentioned....Acura is so tight lipped. I've got my own theories. Acura has been talking hybrid. I'm betting that's their next move with the TL.

    The 3.7L is pretty large for a V6. You start getting larger to get a 40HP-50HP increase, and the displacement bump needed to do that would make the motor relatively harsh (vs the current motor which is tremendously smooth). I guess they could slap a turbo or supercharger on it, but that would negatively affect fuel economy. And, their V8 plans they had for the dormant NSX are all but dead.

    So, unless they come out with a totally new V6 (which would cost a ton of money to do), I don't see many changes in the foreseeable future with the TL motor.

    I question my NAV every once in awhile. I'd say 98% of the time, it either takes me a quicker route or a shorter route. The other 2% of the time it says the road is uncharted.

    Favorite feature of the NAV.......no matter where I'm at, it always finds my way home. :)
  • Maybe you are right and I was not paying attention to details, further more, the kids were starting to get rowdy in the back-maybe all that threw me off.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Customers, potential customers, former customers have spoken out about the current gen of Acura 09-10. Many have said no. Sales of current gen are down compared to previous 04-08.

    Too bad that conservative, careful Honda Company went out on a limb with an avant garde, grotesque design having limited appeal to the market niche the TL is in.

    Why can't a company having a succesful shape and design in a vehicle such as 04-08 TL simply evolve it rather than make a complete makeover. Honda/Acura could take a lesson from Porsche 911. That car has evolved over 40+ years and the current version still has shape, cues from 911 of the late 60's.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,661
    Don't tell the whole story though. There was A LOT of subsidized leasing going on back then. The economy is a whole lot worse now than it was back then too. So yes, I'm sure the styling of the current generation TL has turned off a few repeat or potential buyers, but that number is hard to quantify.

    I too was originally turned off by the current TL's "beak.". It has grown on me. I really dig the styling on the rear end of the SH AWD model. The interior is gorgeous. If it drives as good as my '01 Prelude Type SH & my wife's '10 TSX, a TL SH AWD with 6 speed stick might just be my next car.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD

  • Same old story, different poster- tell us something we don't know.
  • gbosilgbosil Posts: 88
    edited August 2010
    Okay everybody...

    Here are the true sales stats for the TL from Acura:

    1999 = 56,566
    2000 2G = 67,033
    2001 = 69,484
    2002 = 60,764
    2003 = 56,770
    2004 3G = 77,895
    2005 = 78,218
    2006 = 71,348
    2007 = 58,545
    2008 = 48,766
    2009 4G = 33,620

    Looks like the new redesign 3G in 2004 is more than double the sales of the current TL 4G. Numbers don't lie. But it also appears Acura has been loosing sales starting in 2006. Now in 2010 BMW is selling more than 8,600 3 series per month to Acura's
    2,200 TL units per month.

    I still stand by my thoughts on the new TL... I don't like it period! I own a 07' TLS and now a new 10' TSX. I am a loyal Acura owner but feel the new TL was a mistake! But that's just my opinion. I am sure Acura has lost some loyal cutomers now to BMW & Audi. Great job Acura! :(
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,259
    Acura has made it clear, they're repositioning their entire lineup. The TL now seems to be the top of their lineup. It competes with the BMW 5, Infiniti M, etc in size, performance, features. It will take awhile for that to sink into the marketplace.

    The TSX replaces the 3G TL. It's roughly the size of the Infiniti G, Benz C class, BMW 3 and Audi 4.

    I don't know of anyone who owns a 4G TL who doesn't absolutely love it (me included).....: :) :shades:
  • Since you have all the time in the world to pull sales numbers, why dont you do the same for the bimmer, audi, infiniti etc etc and maybe you will see the same downward spike.
    I really don't care how many units of the TL is sold because I have no buyers remorse.I washed mine yseterday and applied two wipedowns of the Zaino Z6, took it to the Gym this morning and peeked at it through the large glass window- I said WOW, this car is a stand out- White Diamond Pearl -35% tint. I can tell because most commuters walking to catch the train gave it a double look.
  • I absolutely agree. The 3G Model was positioned as an entry level luxury performace sedan that was more tame than a 3 series, but had more room and comfort, sort of a Lexus - BMW hybrid. The 4G Model is now postitioned as a true performance sedan that competes very well versus a 5 Series, A6, or Infiniti M. It takes time for buyers to get this. I never considered a TL SH-AWD until a friend of mine bought one. And then, it was over, I had to have one
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    I am sure the DOWNTURN in the Economy has nothing to do with any of this? $43K is a lot of money for middle america.... I was concerned about my job like so many other americans, and we are not out of the woods just yet. But I decided to stop worrying and pulled the trigger on my SH-AWD 2010 TL. Glad I did and never looked back! I said this weeks ago, when they changed the front Grill on my 2005 Pilot in 2007, I was very dissapointed in what it looked like, and to this day feel my Pilot still looks sharp compared to the re-designed front grill and then they put on those Ugly Transparent rear taillight like Nissan was putting on the Maxima... The spy photos show them Raising Up the rear license plate in 2012? WHAT???? It takes that nice divider line and breaks it up with a License Plate that should be on top or bottom but not in the middle? Looks Strange.. Most if not many of us think and feel Acura got it right! To change the design, for the sake of CHANGE, could land up making the TL Less Attractive! One thing for sure, it should NEVER look like a 3G, if it does Acura has gone backwards!
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,890
    Since you have all the time in the world to pull sales numbers, why dont you do the same for the bimmer, audi, infiniti etc etc and maybe you will see the same downward spike.

    Because those aren't vehicles under discussion in this topic.
    However, I do agree that new car sales have declined for a lot of manufacturers, not necessarily due to the vehicles' appeal, but due to consumer spending habits. And, like you, I don't base my purchasing decisions on the number of other people who have made the same decision! Buy what you like... I still wish they made the Integra.

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