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Acura TL 2009

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  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    graphicguy, congratulation on the TL SH-AWD! Did you get the color combo you like?

    As you said, both the TL and the G37 are great cars in this segment. At the end of the day, it is all about personal preference. I knew you were going to pick the TL.;) And you probably also had a feeling that I would go with the G37. Well, I have indeed and couldn't be happier. :)

    Enjoy the ride! :shades:
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    jtla...thanks!

    You and I spoke about both cars, at length. As you say, there's no bad choice between the G and TL.

    I had shopped, and shopped. Looking for the right color combo, in either car.

    I was always leaning towards the TL as I preferred the way it handled, and the way the seats felt. It came down to very slight advantages for me.

    Yeah....I did get the color combo I wanted....that is, black exterior (actually, it's called "crystal black pearl", which is black with metal flake of different colors embedded) and taupe interior (which is a gray/cream color).

    In short, there are no wrong choices in these two cars. Both are great. They both perform about the same....just in different ways. It comes down to subtle preferences.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edmunds wrote:

    http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/g37/2009/comparison-test-2009-acura-tl-sh-awd- -vs-2009-infiniti-g37-journey.html

    Car and driver:
    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/09q2/2009_infiniti_g37_vs._bmw_3- 28i_audi_a4_and_acura_tl-comparison_tests

    and Ugly car website:
    http://www.cargurus.com/blog/2009/07/17/the-ugliest-cars-of-2009-and-2010

    Net net if your shopping for an acura TL (FWD) you should also check out buick LaCross, lex ES, and lincoln. (all better looking, front drive bias) The AWD is closer to audi A4 and VW passat. (all less powerful, but again better looking- front bias AWD starting around 40k)
    Acura lost me when they decided to enlarge the TL. Then the TSX moved up in size--then they decided to put a V6 into the TSX-- RL ? who would buy a car the same size as the lesser priced TL (with more power). The RDX has a cool 4cly engine but gets worse fuel economy then a larger TL- then they waste production time on the ZDX- -what is it?? why no coupe -- convertible--or hybrid??

    sorry for long ramble but the Acura TL needs to be recalled - all of you should demand a new grill and 3k back-- you were Bernie MADOFFed.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    sween....I know some of the 3rd generation faithful didn't like how the 4th generation of the TL had grown. But, I can see where Acura is going. Personally, t think the TL moved into the top spot for Acura. I know my Acura dealer rarely has more than one RL on his lot for sale. TL took its spot. The TSX moved into the slot of the 3rd gen TL (smaller, FWD, all the tech goodies).

    Once Acura cancelled (or at least delayed) their V8 engine program, the RL development kind of came to a stop.

    TL is what I've called a "tweener", occupying a slot right between a BMW 3 and 5 series, between an Audi A4 and A6. It handles great. It's fast. It's built very well. Has great resale. And, it's built as well (or better) than just about anything else within its price range. Plus, they're giving some really good deals on them right now.

    Styling is subjective. I really like the way it looks. It's certainly distinctive (which I like).

    I agree with you that the base TL is aimed smack dab at the ES 350, and cars of that ilk. It's a softer ride/drive.

    The SH AWD version is almost an entirely different animal though. Sharp reflexes, fluid steering, tenacious handling, without a punishing ride. It even makes nice sounds (especially when you wind it out).

    I liked the G, a lot. My biggest "dings" on it (and they were minor quibbles) were the seats, and the way the automatic transmission performed....it always seemed to be "flat footed" when I test drove it (3 times).

    In short, we buy what we like. I just liked the TL SH AWD better. It's a great car (just like the G).
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    edited March 2010
    There is a trainer in my Gym that has a G35X (Grey exterior) and him and I TRY to park next to each in parking lot to aviod getting dings for the unscrupulous.I have to admit, seeing the TL(white pearl) next to the G35X makes the (G35X) looks dated-OLD.Even the trainer admits that the TL takes the cake.Not trying to bash the G-it was on my short list while shopping last year, it came off when I test drove it-too cramp on the inside.It reminds me of my 99 Mazda Millenia and there were a few cosmetic things I did not like-one, the foglights are inserted with the headlights-a no no for me and a few others that did not suffice my taste.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    billy...what I've seen, the folks that don't like conservative styling, gravitate towards the TL. I'm one of those. I was one of the people who was ambivalent towards the conservative styling of the 3rd generation of the TL (even though I owned a 3G TL).

    Even the G's interior is much more conservative that the TL's interior.

    Again, no bad choices between the G vs the TL....just personal preferences. I think conservative leaning folks will lean towards the G. More expressive or edgier folks will appreciate the TL's look.

    Personally, I felt the TL SH AWD was more refined that the G37xs, too. Again, some like one direction, some like the other.
  • proeproe Posts: 157
    edited March 2010
    When new TL came out with SH AWD, I said that is my next car.

    Dose any one of you think that Honda should have put 6sp auto instead of 5sp auto in TL SH AWD?

    Hoping they would put ZDX's 6sp auto in TL SH AWD in mid-cycle design change.

    I do think new TL style looks a lot better in person.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    pro.....I don't know what a 6-speed would net the TL. Maybe a little better MPG. Some say it would increase performance. I don't know, though. It depends how Acura would rework the gear ratios. And, if they made it more aggressive, would it negatively impact MPG. Conversely, would adding another ratio just for increased fuel efficiency, would it blunt performance? Would it be just another "overdrive type" additional ratio?

    Lots of questions, obviously.

    Generally speaking, most tests have the SH AWD version doing 0-60 in about the 5.5 sec range (without abusing the car). I've seen some in the high 5s, too. That's pretty fast. The 6-speed manual tests out around the low 5s. What would an extra gear net on performance? I dunno, maybe a tenth or two 0-60? Is that enough of a bump that you'd notice?

    How about fuel efficiency? Another gear ratio would possibly net another .3-.5 MPG, maybe? Is that sufficient enough to merit waiting? Again, I don't know.

    We've been talking a bit about the comparison of the TL vs the G. The Infiniti G uses a 7-speed automatic. Even with 7 gears, I found that the transmission could be caught napping when a gear or two kick down was needed. Something I've never found with my current TL.

    So, lots of unanswered questions.

    I like the 5 speed they currently use in the TL. It's quick to kick down. And, it's easy to keep in the power band.

    For me, it doesn't matter if there's 5 or 6 gears as long as it works well. I just don't think the difference is going to be all that significant if they do change the transmission.

    As soon as I saw the TL in person (at its launch last year at my local dealer, I was hooked. It's a stunning car.
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    I think conservative leaning folks will lean towards the G. More expressive or edgier folks will appreciate the TL's look.

    Well, yes and no. I would be the first to admit that I am one of those "conservative-leaning folks". However, I really like the 4th gen TL exterior styling. In fact, I wish that Infiniti had gone a little bolder with their restyling of 2010 G. Although they did a good job to the Sport model front bumper, the rest of changes are just too subtle.

    As to the interior, I think the difference between G and TL is not a matter of conservativeness but their approach to functionality and ease of use. While both score high on these counts, I prefer the G's clean design over the TL's array of buttons.

    This may sound odd, but overall the single most deciding factor for me to rule against the TL was its size. At 195" in length and 74" in width, it is just too big a "sport sedan" for my taste. Had the TL come in 95% scale of its size, I might have gone with it. (Yeah, I also liked G's handling better, but I believe that it got to do with the physical dimensions, too.)
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    edited March 2010
    Hi all, I am not sure if this was the specific discussion to post this in so I thought why the heck not and see what a bunch of you guys think! I have a 08 TL, actually my second, after a 06 TL I had and there has been a lot of BS spread on a couple of luxury forums on here, namely the one that questions Hyundai ever becoming a luxury brand on the auto news tab, that Acura isn't really considered a luxury make like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, and Infiniti are?

    I have been having to constantly defend all our honors because I personally feel this argument is ludicrous, and while Acura certainly doesn't have a luxury sport enthusiast background (ie the lack of a V8 with RWD model) that doesn't mean that they are not any less luxurious then the other 5 in all sense of the word "luxury"

    I've argued that except for sport performance/super crisp handling, Acura provides all the necessary characteristics of a luxury brand, such as high quality, proven reliability, above and beyond dealership/service experience, loaner cars, high reliability, great technology, and luxury creature comfort! all of which make it a luxury brand

    I'm sick of people trashing Acura like they are rebadged Honda's while I have test driven Honda's back to back with Acura's I can assure you they are not simply rebadged Honda's!!

    I wanted to get all you Acura owner and leasee thoughts on this subject and suggest you visit the luxury boards on edmunds and defend Acura's luxury status with a passion and tell all the rest of the luxury car owning community, especially the sport enthusiast community WHY AND WHAT makes Acura a luxury line!!

    I personally and tired of hearing from the BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus people that Acura is a "wannabe" or "pretend" luxury brand - their is more to luxury then V8/RWD don't you think???

    Look forward to hearing your posts!!!
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2010
    I owned a 2000 acura integra GS_R a 4 cyl 170 hp coupe that changed the way people look at compact cars - and was the reason there is now a mazdaspeed, an evo, a WRX in the US market. Acura was bold with its style and performance and didnt care what LExus was doing. Now they have 3 SUV's - 3 sedans- no coupe, converts, or sports cars.-- the division needs some life quickly before it can be considered anything other then a comp for buick and lincoln.

    anyone know how many Tl's were sold in 2009 vs G 2009??

    http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f204/plushter77/EG_Grill1.jpg
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    I can tell you for sure- you will never get me to swap out my grill for that awful looking piece of mesh.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    smarty....I don't know that it really matters what others consider Acura. Plain and simple, it's Honda's luxury division, just like Lexus is to Toyota, or Infiniti is to Nissan.

    I've yet to meet anyone who hasn't believed that their Acura/Honda product wouldn't serve them well for 150K miles and above. I like the way they drive. I even like the way they sound when you really wind them up.

    Up until recently, I always felt that as good as they drive, they were fairly "ho hum" in their styling. That changed in the most recent iterations. They went bold. And I like that.

    Honda saves their best for Acura. Everything they've learned in racing, in development, all goes into the Acura lineup. IMHO, the best at what they do is in the TL.

    Their build quality rivals (and sometimes exceeds) any car brand I've ever experienced (that includes Audi, Benz and BMW). As far as coupes are concerned, there are really only a few that I'd consider....a Mustang, a Camaro, a Corvette, or a Porsche.

    If I truly worried about what others thought, I'd probably be in a Masserati, which is to me one of the most beautiful sedans on the road. But, I don't wory. I like what I like.

    I really like my TL (had a 3rd gen I liked, too).
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    billy, I'm with you on that grill picture. Not feeling that, at all.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2010
    with that grill it looks exactly like the buick la cross -- something acura should now be targeting.
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    edited March 2010
    LOL, why would Acura "target" a Buick? :confuse: If anything from GM, it would be the Cadillac CTX, but I bet it is BMW 3/5-series, Audi A4/A6, and the likes that Acura has in mind.

    By the way, that after-market grille may belong to the '80s, but it can really cheapen modern cars.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2010
    have you read my past posts- acura is now the new buick..
    ..CTS line of cars offer more excitement then the entire acura line-- wagon, coupe and super car (with a vette engine) -- your joking if you think audi and bmw are even looking at acura as a real competitor. Its a nice honda- with some cool technology but they are not drivers cars- its not a leader in any segment-- and its a shame because they had everything lexus had 10 years ago but are now an after thought.
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    Audi and BMW may or may not view Acura as a real competitor, but that does not keep Acura from targeting them as such. Incidentally, what you said is exactly my point: car makers aim high, not low. Therefore, it is less likely Acura would have Buick in mind as its target when designing the TL.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,100
    jtla.....Where the TL competes (especially, the SH AWD version) is hotly contested....Cadillac, BMW, Audi, Infiniti etc. The base TL, as mentioned before, is probably targeted at the Lexus ES (which in turn, Buick has targeted with the LaCrosse).

    I saw the LaCrosse at the local car show about a month ago. Never driven one. But, I can say they did a nice job on it, just by sitting in it. And, you can see why they are doing their marketing towards stealing some Lexus ES buyers. Not my cup of tea, but apparently there's a broad market for the ES/LaCrosse.

    I can't really see someone who's shopping for a Lexus ES or Lacrosse shopping the TL, though. I think Acura people are looking for something more distinctive, and better handling.

    The TL base FWD and the SH AWD version are really two different cars (and two different markets). The SH AWD has a different personality. It's a great handling machine, yet offers a firmer ride that you'd get in an Infiniti G37xs, BMW 3, or Audi.

    Again, there are no bad choices. It was a tough one for me between the G and the TL. If the S version of the G had better seats (I'm 5'10", ~175 lbs), and I found them more comfortable, my decision would have been much tougher. The TL SH AWD and the G37xs are very close performance-wise. The Acura just fit me better.

    Plus, I really liked the TL's styling, too.

    No bad choices between the two.
  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    I agree with you to a point, I don't understand the point of Buick! they are trying to make it a full fledge luxury division but GM already has one, its called CADILLAC! I don't know why GM even kept Buick; if anything they should have gotten rid of Buick and kept Pontic and made that a exclusive sports division of GM, similar to Scion for Toyota - I think that would have made more sense!

    The reason why Acura is going to have to start worrying about Buick is, Buick is specifically trying to upscale their vehilces to compete with the TSX, IS for Lexus, and G for Infiniti! If you've read this months issue of Motortrend the new Regals for 2011 are suppose to be a Acura and Infiniti killer, according to Buick! I got a good laugh when I heard that!

    Infiniti must be concerned because I just read something the other say that they are thinking of bringing back a smaller entry level G20 below the G37 in order to compete with Buick better now that they have the new regal!

    Personally, I don't think Acura has much to worry about; the TSX is a great car and I would take it hands down over a Regal any day of the week!! If anything, Infiniti has more to worry about since they don't have any model that directly competes with the TSX, IS, or Regal! they most likely will have to introduce a turbo 4cyl into a G20 model!
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