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Acura TL 2009

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  • marcus216marcus216 Posts: 77
    I gave Audi a very close look. I loved the A6, but it was too pricey for me. Now the A4 was interesting. I drove one and really liked the interior and the over all handling refinement balance. The four banger had excellent power and seemed very smooth to me.The Premium Plus non - nav listed comparably to my TL non-tech SH-AWD. The demise of the A4 for me was the the back seat. Bottom cushion is very low and uncomfortable to me. And it was quite cramped back there for my needs. Any car I own needs to have a reasonably comfortable back seat. I do a fair amount of entertaining with my business, and have people back there quite frequently. The A4 did not meet those requirements, just too small back there. The TL back seat has much more room and is much more comfortable.

    And regarding rear wheel drive and snow tires. I came from a 2001 LS 430 which is rear wheel drive and I put snows on during the Winter months. Living in Northeast Ohio demands decent Winter traction. It helps, but is no substitute for AWD with a set of decent all season tires. I never considered Hyundai Genesis because of rear wheel drive only.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    IMHO- AUDI A4 good AWD machine in standard form - good on gas, great awd grip and not bad with the 6speed (never driven an auto a4) for on and off ramps. In the snow its a beast- better then my G35x-- Backseat a little snug but not bad- car all in all is not a bad rig--does get expensive when loaded up with options.- Love the looks of the A6 - tough to top the way that sedan looks- now comes with navi free.
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,677
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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    how many people by the acura tl with a 6 speed manual??

    Take rate: 5 percent
    Odds of a manual TL being sold: 6305 to 1
    Odds of a golfer hitting a hole-in-one: 5000 to 1

    http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/1004_10_cars_you_didnt_know_you_coul- d_get_with_a_stick/index.html
  • rlonn1rlonn1 Posts: 106
    2010,SH-AWD,Tech,, Well, I have become very familiar with the Automatic in the S mode, and using the steering wheel paddles to shift! So I can have fun, and then in stop and go traffic place it back in Auto. I don't think I will ever own a manual transmission again... IMHO... ;)
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    honda/acura makes one of the best sticks in the biz-- the 2000 integra gs-r (car i owned) had a great 5 speed- when in traffic i used to keep it in second gear and work the clutch as traffic slowed- did not bother me one bit and i really miss that car. But with sales numbers for the stick so low its clear whos buying this car - wonder how long acura sticks with the stick.
  • billyperks2billyperks2 Posts: 378
    What's your point?
    They had the stick in the previous generation and I think they know how to market this product (manual).
    Your post makes no sense- what are you trying to say- that acura cannot sell a TL with a stick? How many manual G37 has infiniti sold?
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,677
    Some of the cars on the list with low manual-shift sales numbers were surprising, but it's pretty well-known and not at all shocking that "daily driver" sedans like the TL, the Buick Regal, and the Toyota Camry were on that list. Our salespeople have often remarked that sedans (of any make) with manual shift aren't high sellers or fast movers.

    That's an expose' on par with, "did you know there's mystery meat in most hot dogs?"

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  • smarty666smarty666 Posts: 1,503
    as long as that mystery meat remains a mystery, ignorance is bliss ;) :P
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,677
    Word.

    Still, I exempt any hot dog served at a sporting event from that description. Those are made only of tasty, meaty goodness - a fan-tastic, fan-pleasing delight.

    On topic: No, I didn't know the TL was available in manual shift. The fact that I *now* know that it does, but doesn't sell very well, has been met with ear-piercing silence.

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  • ctlctl Posts: 123
    Why being so mean to this guy? all he did was copy the comment of this article, TL SH-AWD (as sporty claimed as it's) is just so happened to be listed at #1. Camry at #10

    Toyota Camry
    Take rate: 3 percent
    Odds of a manual Camry being sold: 1237 to 1
    Odds of being dealt a full house: 694 to 1
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,677
    edited June 2010
    My comments are regarding the article - seriously, it was about 50/50 interesting vs "so what?" in my opinion. Camry is one of the "so what?" vehicles on the list. Yes, they make a manual Camry. No, it isn't at all surprising that it doesn't sell well.

    None of my comments had anything to do with the person who posted the article. Anyone who thinks that my comments were "mean" may need to seek medical attention for extreme sensitivity to internet-based comment exposure. I doubt that's the case with our OP!

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  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    I did not take kirstie host comments as a direct hit-- I find it refreshing when they actually respond via blog and not delete my posts like in the past. For a "performance" sedan i found it funny that only 5% come in stick form--and so did MotorTREND .

    BILLYPERKS my point is we all know whos buying these cars- people who have moved up from camry's (ES350's) and buicks-- or other cars that rarely sell manuals.. Sorry Kristie I thought the article was more then 50/50 interesting because they were about the car in question in this blog..

    and Billy I have no idea how many infinti G's come standard--but if you look online at your local dealership they prob have atleast one on the lot --and those odds are better then 6305 to 1.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,127
    I'm a big fan of the previous generation TL & haven't warmed up to the current generation's "polarizing styling." I started to like how the SH-AWD models looked. Then yesterday I saw a black/black TL SH-AWD (sorry graphic guy, not your cup of tea) with the acessory Sport Grill and said to myself: "now that's sharp."

    I've been reading up on the TL SH-AWD w/ 6 speed stick and am impressed by both what I read from the road tests as well as owner feedback.

    Now I'm a huge BMW fan, but for me the 3er is too small and the 5 is way out of my price range. I'm going to give the TL SH-AWD 6MT a serious look when it comes time for me to purchase my next car, which won't be for at least a year.

    My daily driver is a 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH - 5spd manual (122K miles & counting), My wife drives a 2010 TSX Tech - 5spd automatic (12K miles & counting). My wife also leases an '07 X3 that has to go back to BMW :cry: at the end of next month with 45K miles.

    Performance wise, I think handling is the most important thing to me. My next car's gotta have some cajones too as my Prelude's 156 lb ft of torque isn't much in the age of mid- 6 second (0-60) Camrys, Altimas, Maximas...

    Interior material quality and overall build quality are also VERY important to me. I'm more than willing to sacrifice some ride comfort for better handling.

    Of course I have to drive it, but from the Prelude & my TSX, I'm very impressed with the way Honda builds a car.

    Your thread has a new lurker/poster. Maybe I'll have 2 Black/Black Acuras in my driveway next year.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,919
    edited June 2010
    I exempt any hot dog served at a sporting event from that description. Those are made only of tasty, meaty goodness - a fan-tastic, fan-pleasing delight.

    Kirstie...you're killing me here, girl. You just gave me a grin. Actually, I agree with you regarding ball park "dogs". But, only if they've been cleansed with bacteria killing lotion. ;)

    I think manual trans cars in general are dying a slow death. Even Lambos and Ferraris are going the way of auto trans vehicles.

    People who can afford to buy the likes of a TL, BMW, Benz, Audi, etc for the most part expect an automatic trans. Yeah, you'll hear of someone here and there who prefers a manual, but they're rarities.

    Fact is, manumatic transmissions have become very, very good, for the most part. The TL's is one of those. If fewer and fewer people know how to drive a manual trans, the fewer people there are to teach someone else how to drive one, then even less folks bother to learn.

    Even among muscle cars, I remember my former Chevy dealer telling me that automatic equipped Camaros were outselling manual trans Camaros 20-1. And, that's for a car with a dedicated manual trans fan base.

    I'm pretty good with a manual trans having done autox and bracket racing in the distant past. There's no way I can shift faster than a good auto trans can shift. Recent auto trans cars have rev matching, quick shift paddles, no clutch take up worries. They've become very good which blunts the need for a manual trans.

    I keep hearing that BMW, Infiniti, etc make manual trans cars, I just haven't seen any of them available. I have seen TL's with the 6 MT. They don't last long on the dealer's lots. That said, the market is miniscule for manual trans cars, period.

    Even folks who are on a tight budget, who tend to buy base economy cars, will pay extra for an automatic transmission.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,919
    edited June 2010
    nyc....sorry, I posted the above before seeing your post.

    Black interior is what I've decided to stay away from since it gets very steamy around the midwest. I think the Black (crystal black pearl) is very sharp....especially with the midnight chrome grill and tailpiece.

    I did drive the manual trans TL SH AWD as my dealer had a couple available when I was shopping. They're great, great manual trans cars. Probably the most refined manual trans lux sports sedan I had ever driven, bar none. You should drive one and form your own opinion.

    But, we're getting to the end of the model year for Acura (August? Sept?). If you want a 2010, and you can find a manual trans car, I think I might jump on one because I'd bet the initial shipments of '11s won't be manual trans cars.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,127
    I know the manumatic slushboxes are getting better & better. The 5 speed automatic in my wife's TSX is the best I've ever driven. For my own car, I really want to stick with a stick for no other reason than I enjoy shifting my own gears. Can modern day automatics shift faster than me? Yes. Can they shift smoother than me? Absolutely.

    I'm not in the market for a car right now. We're in the middle of trying to buy ahouse right now & I want to get comfortable making mortgage payments for at least a year before I even start car shopping. Besides, my aforementioned 2001 Prelude Type SH is wonderful for now. 122K miles and still as tight as the day I picked it up.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    here is the link again
    http://www.motortrend.com/features/consumer/1004_10_cars_you_didnt_know_you_coul- d_get_with_a_stick/index.html

    no BMW, Infinitis, on this list== seems motor trend hit it on the head when they put a Camry and BUick on the same list as Acura. Your arguement should be look the A5 is on the list-- but my counter would be is the S4/S5 on the list? A True sports car?

    And automatics will always out sell manuals-- always in america -but for BMW and infiniti you will get a number of people looking to get into manuals -those numbers are no where near 6300 to one. -- Acura well built safe car but its not a sports sedan-and does not live up to its comp in performance- please find me an article by a major publication that says otherwise.
  • jtlajtla Posts: 375
    There's no way I can shift faster than a good auto trans can shift. Recent auto trans cars have rev matching, quick shift paddles, no clutch take up worries. They've become very good which blunts the need for a manual trans.

    IMHO, the real difference in driving a stick vs. automatic is that YOU -- not the car/computer -- get to decide WHEN to shift gears.

    With your eyes on the road and dictated by your mood, your brain tells your right hand and left foot how to maneuver next. No automatic (or manumatic, steptronic, or whatever fancy name) can ever match that until engineers can connect the control of shifting mechanism to human mind. Paddle shifters may come close if only the time lag can be eliminated.
  • sweendogysweendogy Posts: 1,052
    totally agree. its more control,ts reflexes, its totally different. I think the reason why acura continues with the stick is to try to differentiate itself from buick/lexus but performance enthusiasts have not been duped.
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