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Subaru Legacy/Outback Accessories and Modifications

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Ok a few things....

    The non Subaru engines while they may be the same sizewise, they aren't really setup to be turboed. I've done it, but it's not easy or cheap.

    I'd focus on brakes, supsnesion, tires, etc.

    Start with tires and brakes, then move on to suspension.

    Also you may want to get out and do an HPDE at a local race track which essentially is a driving school with your own car and instructor. This will be a great mod, it can be transferred to any car you own.

    -mike
  • Thanks Mike,
    The 2005 model year includes the 2.5l Subaru Boxer engine with similar displacements as the LGT. The GT has a dual overhead cam while the base & limited's have a single overhead cam. Otherwise, the engines are the same.
    I'd like to start with wheels and tires but I don't know what the limits are for size. When I've done any investigating on the subject I find that 17" wheels can be no problem and, since the GT sits on the same basic body and comes standard with 17" wheels, that's a no brainer. I was wondering if I could and if I should go bigger and if it make any sense or practicality.
    I appreiciate the fact that you also offer up a driving school of sorts. I, however, am not from Washington orginally and have actually learned to drive, even in snow! I also took the Skip Barber school of driving (open wheel racing) and learned to improve my technics. I'm also very framilar with 4wd & awd vehicles. I also grew up with muscle cars (rear wheel drive) and high horsepower. I'm not worried about losing control of my car.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The ones I speak of are similar to Skip Barber, not really a driving school but more a high performance driving experience where you can take your car on-track and really push it to the limits, this is the best improvement you can make on the car.

    As I said the engines are VERY different, even though the displacement is similar. For instance the compression ratio is different, the coolant and oil systems are different, ecu's are different, lots and lots of stuff that is just not worth turboing a non-turbo subaru car.

    We did it on a 2.5RS before there were turbos available in the US. It cost about $2k after it was all done and was a real PITA to do.

    For tires, I'd look at something like either an all-season ultra high performance tire or dedicated summer tires. Next I'd go for Hawk HP+ brake pads and SS Lines.

    After that go for some upgraded springs and bilstien struts/shocks.

    -mike
  • I didn't realize there was such a difference between the two engines. So, what your saying is; I should trade in my 2.5 for a GT! haha I'd like to get all the performance I can out of my car but without the option of slapping a turbo in, I don't think I'll ever get to where I'd like to. I'm willing to spend some money but when your talking of all the things I'd need to do to get what I want; cost-wise I've moved myself into a GT already. Improving the handling by means of wheels, tires and suspension is one thing, but I'm also looking to improve my take off time. Maybe an exhaust and intake but still, I'm only talking; what?; 10; 15 HP? I feel my car has sufficient power to "get around town" but it lacks in climbing steady grades and a better suspension and tires will not improve that.
    Thanks for all your help Mike!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup, in that case, yeah look for a LGT. I just hate to see someone spend good money after bad, since I've been there and done that (several times over).

    If you want a stick, in a wagon you'll need to look for an 05 LGT Wagon as that's the only year they came in a stick.

    Here is a pic of mine:

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  • I am trying to decide between a AT and MT in the 08 Legacy GT. I had an 04 OB 2.5i MT and it was lacking in the performance dept. I do alot of mountain freeway driving. Anyone have feedback on this?
    Also someone in an earlier post mentioned the need for 3,750 mile oil changes now required for the 08 GT's. This is the first I have heard about this. Does the turbo put that much stress on the engine?
    Someone also mentioned using a cat back exhaust and cold air intake. Are these reasonable modifications to wake up the car a little more. Are there other mods to consider? Do they work to really increase performance? What about warranty?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Having driven a lot of the Subies out there, you definitely want an MT with any of the Turbo cars. The AT will be ok, but it won't allow you to keep it in the turbo range when you really want to pull. I have a bone stock 05 LGT w/5MT and it's a great setup. I hold my own on the track with some very very purpose built sports cars. The difference between a GT and a 2.5i is night and day. I've driven my brother in laws 2.5i w/AT v. my LGT w/MT and it's really quite different.

    As for mods I'd do the SPT cat-back exhaust, but if you wait about a month I should have that on my car and can give some real-world feeback on it.

    -mike
  • Thanks for the input! Has anyone heard anything about the need for 3750 mile oil changes on the 08's? As far as I know the 08 GT motors are basically the same as the 05's. 3750 reminds me of the 911's I owned 20 years ago B4 kids.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    3750 is the recommendation for the 08s. They are the same as the 05-07 however due to owner neglect over the past few years (aka people did 10K+ changes) and then had warranty claims, SOA is protecting themselves by requiring the severe use oil change interval on the 08 turbos. I change mine every 5k +/- with synthetics and don't have a problem. They key to any extended oil change intervale beyond 5k miles is that your filter is really only good for 5k miles, so even though the oil itself may be good, your filter isn't.

    -mike
  • Any suggestions as to how the turbo lag in the '08 Outback XT with 5spd Auto can be reduced?

    Traffic in my area is too heavy to tolerate a MT, but an earlier post here suggested the AT doesn't work well with the Turbo. I'd consider the H6 but my understanding is its low end torque is worse than the Turbos' !!

    It's a pity the intelligent control I_S_S# includes makeing the throttle hair trigger tip-in instead of just readjusting the trans shift points and engine control remap.
  • should also add that intelligent control apparently "neuters" the car if, when set to intelligent mode, bu cutting power 20%.

    Some other reviewers commented this can drastically change how the car handles in emergency situations (stomp the pedal and you still have only 80% pf the vehicle's power). It would make more sense to make that power "harder to get to" when in intelligent mode, but still available if the driver __really__ needs it.
  • krowlkrowl Posts: 1
    Hi. I was wondering what it would take and what type of turbo i should get to put in my 1997 2.2L Subaru Legacy Wagon L model? also i need to now what kind of pistons i should get and anything else i would need to get to drop it in.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Haaa, you are better off doing a motor swap.

    Slapping a turbo onto a 2.2L NA motor is not a cheap or easy thing to do on a Subie. We've done this several times before the WRX came out with varying success.

    You need:
    Turbo, oil lines, cooling lines, ecu, tuning, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, oil pan, and you still have the issue of compression, and these are just the basics.

    For a swap you'll get a far more reliable power for your $. A swap usually runs about $6-8k depending on where you get it done, and where you source the motor.

    -mike
  • I just bought a 03 Legacy 2.5DOHC GT LTD and beleive it has potential what should be my first move to making this car FAST!!!!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    There is little to no potential in making it fast. the 03 Legacy GT was also a SOHC, not a DOHC.

    At most you can get about 10hp gain out of it with a lot of money spent.

    You are better off doing a motor swap (about $7-10k) or selling the car and looking for a turbo legacy or wrx.

    Sorry but that is the reality of it, I've been tuning and working on subies for 10 years...

    -mike
  • Where is the best place to get a shop manual for an 08 H3
  • Is there an adapter so that Yakima bars can be used with the subaru rails? I allready have the Yakima bars.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I recall from the early days of the Forester that yes, Yakima made clamps for Subaru, at least for that model.

    In fact now that I think about it, I think Subaru included Yakima-made accessories in its OE catalog.

    You should be able to find them for yours, maybe even from a Subaru dealer or parts wholesaler.
  • I was wondering if there is a way to open the hatch of a 2008 outback from the inside. I like to lay on the back with my dogs but if I lower the hatchback, it latches and the only way out is through the passanger doors. The dealership has no ideas. Any ideas on how to rig it? Thanks in advance.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not by design.

    You may be able to rig something, though.

    The trunk releases were only required on sedans.
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