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Rondo vs Outlander/Rav4/Santa Fe/Mazda5

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  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    Are you serious? Cars have come a long way in 10 years. You can bet that a 10-year-old Escort doesn't have ABS, ESC, or traction control just for starters. Not only that, but all 2007 Santa Fes are pretty well loaded with comfort and convenience features that were either optional or not available at all on the Escort. Anyone who doesn't understand why someone would want to replace a 10-year-old Escort with a brand new Santa Fe is clearly not a "car person"! (No offense intended.)
  • spoolespoole Posts: 15
    It's been over 30 days now and my wife is thrilled with her new 07 Tucson (limited) 4 WD. As for debt, we have none; no mortgage, no car payment, etc. At our ages 70 and 65 we have sizeable assets and can afford any car we want. She wanted the Tucson and I agreed it was a very good value. We paid $23,300."out-the-door" tax included. If she uses this for 9-10 years it will be a BARGAIN. I have learned that almost ANY price I pay to keep a wife happy is OK.
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    I like the way you think, spoole! :shades: The Tucson Limited AWD is a GREAT vehicle. I test drove one before ultimately buying my Santa Fe Limited AWD. The Tucson was outstanding in every regard; in the end we went with the Santa Fe only because of its additional space. Had we gone withn the Tucson instead, I know we would have been pleased. Enjoy it! (Your last point is sooooo true..."when mama ain't happy, ain't NOBODY happy!")
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Yes, I was serious.
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    Now, THAT makes a lot of sense! :)
  • The US model is slightly different.

    Here is the crash data from the NHTSA
    http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/4245.html

    The Mazda5 hasn't been tested in the US by either the NHTSA or the IIHS. (Or the data is not posted at their sites)
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    This looks exactly like the bigger RAV4, doesn't it?!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...when mama ain't happy, ain't NOBODY happy!"

    But, if you traded in the wife, instead of her car, then papa's happy. Really happy!! :P
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    I finally got to drive a 2007 RAV4 as a rental for about 4 days. Here is my comparison view, FWIW:

    Summary
    IMO, comparing the RAV4 to the Mazda5 is NOT an apples to apples case. Mazda5 is a MAV, RAV4 is an SUV

    Never test drove a rav4 before but, 1+ years later, still very happy to have purchased the Mazda5. It looks and drives great, plus covers all my family needs with no strings attached :D


    Upside
    Sport Version, 18in good looking wheels

    4 cylinder fuel economy is great

    Got a nice blue color (Pacific Blue maybe?), not too dark, not too light, just ideal

    Auto Tranny maintains low revs at high speeds (i.e. eventual 85-90MPH, ~3000+RPM)

    The new gauge luminescent colors at night look nice

    Smooth ride in the highway (very SUV-like bumpy on back roads however)

    Good legroom in the front and 2nd row seats. Front seats have more legroom than the MAZDA5 for sure

    MP3/WMA capable CD Player (Wife likes the 6-in-dash CD Player from the MAZDA5 however, she is not too concerned about MP3/WMA Capabilities. And yes, Mazda5 also has it as an option)


    Downside
    The 4 cylinder engine may be bigger than the Mazda5 one, but the Mazda one feels peppier and more responsive (plus, although is a silly 4cyl, the Mazda engine sounds better)

    The Auto Tranny in the RAV4 felt very sluggish. It takes very long to engage the OD even with the pedal to the metal (now, I drive a manual tranny Mazda5 so it may contribute to the feeling)

    Dashboard lighting color (amber, yellowish) looks terrible. Reminded me to some taxis I rode in South America sometime back

    Yes, 2nd row seat can seat 3 people, but at a high price. The middle one is for kids only. The Mazda5 2 captain seats in the 2nd row are much better IMO

    No standard steering wheel mounted Radio and CD Player controls, The dashboard tuning/volume knobs are not easy to reach while driving

    The spare tire location (back door). IMO it looks so 80s :-)

    Mazda5 general driving/handling feels much better/precise, but again, the RAV4 IS an SUV

    Negligible cargo space with the 3rd row seat expanded. With the MAZDA5 I can at least still fit a large stroller (flattened)
  • Having test driven both the Outlander and the Santa FE, I've found that The Outlander has a much smoother engine and ride, the suspension felt great, the Outlanders V6 was more fun to drive than the Santa FE.
    My main concern with the Santa Fe limited was the ride. On the road, my driver's car seat vibrated, salesperson even gave me another Santa FE limited to test drive but this one was also shaking. I was ready to deal for the Hyundai but after test driving it I am holding back.
  • qqt414qqt414 Posts: 6
    I noticed the same things with the sante Fe when i test drove last month looking for a new small SUV. And it is in my opinion that the steering in the Rav-4 is way to light and felt bizarre. I ended up buying a Loaded Outlander and im telling you i couldn't be happier!
  • Only looked at these two but here is what we have determined...

    The Kia:
    Cheap( price that is )
    Good Room, more room in the front
    Backseat( 3rd row ) is worthless, can't access it. You have to hop over the folded down 2nd row seat!
    The fit and finish was subpar, and the overall feel of the car was tinny.

    Nothing I didn't expect from a 19k car. So then we went down to the Mazda dealership. A world of difference...

    Refined, plenty of room, accessable 3rd row with a fairly roomy boot( roomier/better laid out then Rondo ) and the fit and finish was top quality. It was very apparent that there was a lot more effort put into the Mazda then there was in the Kia.

    The Conclusion:
    Though Hyundai/Kia have came a long way in quality but they are still no match for Mazda. M5 over Rondo.
  • There's more about these two vehicles in this thread: Mazda 5 vs Kia Rondo

    To me, this isn't an either/or kind of thing. It's not like this is a titanic battle between sworn enemies and you must choose sides--love one and hate the other. Nah, I like both.

    The predominant reason why I purchased the Rondo is because of it's 2-3-2 seating configuration for seven people. Now that I have a Rondo, I don't see any reason to bash "the competition" just to justify my choice (although I feel the temptation). I still think the Mazda5 is a nifty vehicle--just as nifty as the Rondo.

    My conclusion:
    You can't go wrong with either choice.
  • True, very true.

    I did not intend for that to sound as though I was bashing the Rondo because I was not, but rather listing reasons why I liked the Mazda over the Kia. The Kia is a great vehichle but the reasons I dont like it as a vehichle for me are listed above. The things that make it an inappropriate vehichle for me might make it a great vehichle for you vice versa. Sorry for the missunderstanding.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    medicineman replied:
    To me, this isn't an either/or kind of thing. It's not like this is a titanic battle between sworn enemies and you must choose sides--love one and hate the other. Nah, I like both.
    The predominant reason why I purchased the Rondo is because of it's 2-3-2 seating configuration for seven people. Now that I have a Rondo, I don't see any reason to bash "the competition" just to justify my choice (although I feel the temptation). I still think the Mazda5 is a nifty vehicle--just as nifty as the Rondo.

    My conclusion:
    You can't go wrong with either choice.


    Good point medicineman, I have a couple of comments though:

    I agree:
    Yes, we need both (Rondo and Mazda5) to compete and, more importantly, sell well so they can establish a market trend for this type of model (and improve year after year). If one disappears it will be more difficult for the other brand to justify its model in years to come.

    I disagree:
    To say that either choice is the same or similar. The reason of people giving an opinion (or sometimes bashing) about the other model in these type of threads (comparing vehicles thread) is not to justify their purchase, but to provide an input to the readers who have not purchased a car so they can have real street buyers' facts to make a purchase decision. Yes, if there is bashing from time to time is up to the reader to decide whether the reply is accurate or not. To me bashing sometimes means that the basher is really passionate about his(her) car, and nothing else.

    Don't take me wrong, but if I participate (or read) on a car comparison thread just to find out that the participants say that all cars are the same I wouldn't read it further.

    ;)
  • coolmazda5 said:
    To say that either choice is the same or similar. The reason of people giving an opinion (or sometimes bashing) about the other model in these type of threads (comparing vehicles thread) is not to justify their purchase, but to provide an input to the readers who have not purchased a car so they can have real street buyers' facts to make a purchase decision. Yes, if there is bashing from time to time is up to the reader to decide whether the reply is accurate or not. To me bashing sometimes means that the basher is really passionate about his(her) car, and nothing else.

    Don't take me wrong, but if I participate (or read) on a car comparison thread just to find out that the participants say that all cars are the same I wouldn't read it further.


    Umm, I wasn't implying that everyone should see things equally and we should all get along and sing merry tunes together. :) I was merely stating what my personal opinion is--I like both vehicles.

    So what about my "bashing" comment, then? Wasn't I trying to imply something with that? We all have underlying motivations, conscious or subconscious, whether we're honest to ourselves and to others about it or not. Perhaps I was merely trying to provoke some honest self-reflection. Or perhaps I was just peeved that someone seemed to have dissed the Rondo. Or perhaps it was something else entirely. Whether I actually had a point to make really depends on one's interpretation and reaction to it. ;)
  • The Mazda5 and the Kia Rondo do not directly compete is completely incorrect. They are head to head competitors like the Silverado and the F-150. I mean, let's get serious, they both have a four cylinder( Kia has a t-tiny 6 ) they have similar features, one might better the other in some things but roughly equal, both have a similar interior theme with the 3 row setup on a small/small midsize car frame, both have very similar gas mileage figures with a very close sticker price. It doesn't get much closer then that.

    The 'which is the better car' will be debated untill the end of time. What it all boils down to is the old saying 'different strokes, for different folks'. Some may find that the Kia better suits them or that they plain and simply like it better where as some may do the same with the Mazda. But to say that these two do not compete is wrong. If these two do not compete, then neither do the Silverado and the F-150.

    Conclusion: Do the homework and go with the one that better suits your needs, wants, or that better suits your visual appeal. For me, that is the Mazda5.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Are you sure your nickname is not philosophyman or psychologyman? I already had to take those type of classes for my M. Sc. so no more, thanks ;)

    For the sake of the thread topic and focus, Can I suggest to be as factual as possible (yes, it goes for me as well)?

    Outlander: Cool design, but SUV focus
    Rav4: OK, but SUV focus
    Santa Fe: No, I don't like the design nor the SUV focus

    Rondo:
    - Functionality, Versatility: Yes
    - Space: Yes
    - Initial Quality: Yes
    - Brand recognition: No
    - V6 available: Yes
    - Manual Transmission option: No
    - Aux sound: Yes
    - Rear A/C vents: Yes
    - Seats 7
    - Interior Design: No
    - Interior Quality of Materials: OK for the price
    - Exterior Design and Attractive looks: No
    - Sliding door: No
    - Handling: No

    Mazda5:
    - Functionality, Versatility: Yes
    - Space: Yes
    - Initial Quality: Yes, after the 2007 model
    - Brand recognition: Yes
    - V6 available: No
    - Manual Transmission option: Yes
    - Aux sound: upcoming 2008 model
    - Rear A/C vents: upcoming 2008 model
    - Seats 6. No 7th seat option
    - Interior Design: Yes
    - Interior Quality of Materials: OK for the price
    - Exterior Design and Attractive looks: Yes
    - Sliding door: Yes
    - Handling: Yes
  • Hey Medicine Man! You state that the Rondo has an Aux in? Where? Is that in the factory installed car? I have the EX6V.
    Thanks,
    dna
  • coolmazda5 wrote:
    Are you sure your nickname is not philosophyman or psychologyman? I already had to take those type of classes for my M. Sc. so no more, thanks ;)

    Actually, I took philosophy classes as easy electives, but I didn't major in the soft sciences (I've had a very eclectic past, though--truck driver, anyone?).

    But yes, let us return to the facts and at least pretend to be fair and balanced, shall we? ;) (You can never be accused of being a boor by slapping on a winky, eh? ;))
  • Dnatoday, contrary to Coolmazda5's list of facts/opinions, the 2007 Rondo doesn't have an Aux input, but there are rumblings that the 2008 Rondo will have one. At least one review mentioned it, at Jalopnik (look in part 2--a very oddball kind of review, so check it out, everyone). Plus, someone in this thread at another forum stated that a salesman mentioned it.
  • Here's my variation of Coolmazda5's list. I've added some categories because they're important to me--btw, it's purely by accident that the Rondo seems to do better in some of the categories that I picked (really, just by accident, and I didn't cherry pick, either :shades:). Some of my list is factual; some of it is my personal opinion based on my own experience and/or what I've read. I didn't cover the Outlander, Rav4 and Santa Fe because, well, what's the point? You guys know what's going on.

    I obviously know the Rondo better than the Mazda5, so what do I know? Take it for what it's worth--and if I screw up any factual information, just add that to my life's collection. :P

    Rondo:
    - Functionality, Versatility: excellent
    - Space: very good
    - Initial Quality: Not enough data yet
    - Brand recognition: Same ballpark as domestics
    - V6 available: Yes
    - Manual Transmission option: No
    - 5-speed Automatic Transmission: yes in V6
    - Engine (I-4/V6):
    Size 2.4L/2.7L
    Horsepower 162/182
    Horsepower rpm 5,800/6,000
    Torque 164/182
    Torque rpm 4,250/4,000
    - Passing power: weak with large load
    - Aux sound: 2008?
    - Rear A/C vents: Yes
    - Seating: 5 or 7
    - Interior Design: Average
    - Interior Quality of Materials: Average
    - Exterior Design and Attractive looks: Looks like a duck's head :)
    - Sliding door: No
    - Third row accessibility: easy
    - Telescopic steering column: no
    - Handling: Good for a people hauler
    - Electronic Stability Control: yes
    - Traction Control System: yes
    - Standard Warranty:
    5-year/60,000-mile basic
    10-year/100,000-mile powertrain
    5-year/100,000-mile anti-perforation
    5-year/60,000-mile roadside assistance

    Mazda5:
    - Functionality, Versatility: excellent
    - Space: very good
    - Initial Quality: very good
    - Brand recognition: Second-tier Japanese
    - V6 available: No
    - Manual Transmission option: Yes
    - 5-speed Automatic Transmission: 2008
    - Engine (I-4):
    Size 2.3L
    Horsepower 153
    Horsepower rpm 6,500
    Torque 148
    Torque rpm 4,500
    - Passing power: weak with large load
    - Aux sound: 2008
    - Rear A/C vents: 2008
    - Seating: 6
    - Interior Design: Above average
    - Interior Quality of Materials: Average
    - Exterior Design and Attractive looks: Looks like a minivan
    - Sliding door: Yes
    - Third row accessibility: easy
    - Telescopic steering column: yes
    - Handling: Great for a people hauler
    - Electronic Stability Control: no
    - Traction Control System: no
    - Standard Warranty:
    3-year/36,000-mile basic
    5-year/60,000-mile powertrain
    5-year/unlimited-miles anti-perforation
    3-year/36,000-mile roadside assistance
  • I didn't think there was an AUX in, but I wasn't sure if I missed something in the car-- I *am* only a girl after all. ;)

    We actually put in an aftermarket navigation/video system-- it plays mp3 CDs (as does the factory audio system) so I am really not too worried, butit would have been nice to be able to plug in my new video ipod.

    I did get a ding the other day-- a guy with a boat trailer was passing my parked Rondo, his fender flew off and hit the passenger door and the window-- leaving a 4 inch shallow dent & scrap on the former and a longer scratch on the window. I was totally upset for a while about damage to my first and only new car, but then I thought that if the car was parked in the driveway and not on the street, chances are the fender would have flown into the yard and hit one of the kids playing there, so in hindsight, it could have been worse.

    Anyway, I took it to the insurance accessor and the Rondo wasn't in is database, so he "used something similar" to do the estimate and came up with $583 for the repair. Ouch, but it isn't on my insurance. So I took it to the dealer for repairs, and they did a re-estimate of the damages. I hope you are sitting down. The dealer priced the repair for a couple of scratches and a small dent to be OVER A THOUSAND (US) dollars. Double ouch!

    It's amazing what these small accidents can set you back for!

    Dna
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Despite the popularity of the MX-5 and Mazda3, many would be surprised to find out how little brand recongition Mazda has in the US market (i.e. Mazda's own research has shown less name recognition than the Kia brand). The new crossovers from Mazda should help to improve such, however.
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    Whooa, what a detail

    Thanks medicineman for the detailed list plus for correcting the aux sound assessment from my earlier post :surprise:

    Now, this should be on the Mazda5-Rondo thread, isn't it? Moderator, any ideas?

    coolmazda5 is a troublemaker anyway... :D
  • joe97, when I saw "brand recognition" as a category in coolmazda5's list, I thought it just meant "brand caché"--i.e., if the brand name itself has any pull or not, which explains the answers that I gave for that category. It never crossed my mind that it was literal--i.e., if people recognize the brand name or not.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    It's fine to have it here. :)
  • coolmazda5coolmazda5 Posts: 525
    For where I live (noted) and this being my first Mazda I was happily surprised at the day-to-day input. So in summary, to me Brand Recognition means that anyone (i.e. coworkers) who knew I bought a Mazda were saying "Mazda, cool, fun cars, Can I see it?" Even the car key still calls the attention...

    On the other side, a coworker has a more expensive brand new Hyundai (Santa Fe?) and the coworkers could not care less when she bought it, kind of "OK" or "Whatever" type of reaction. IMO it is not the technicality of the concept in auto lingo, but the fact that if you ask randomly to anyone about Mazda they recognize what you are talking about.
  • Yeah, I guess that stuff matters (everyone wants to be complimented on their ride, including me), but ultimately, I couldn't care less about what the buzz is with the brand or what others think about my ride. If I were to make my own list of what's important in a ride and how I would choose to buy a new vehicle, that definitely wouldn't be a consideration at all.

    This doesn't mean, though, that I haven't been sheepish in the past when it comes to admitting that I own a Kia. Actually, I'm not a car enthusiast, and I wasn't even aware of Kia's past reputation until I started doing research on the Rondo. But now that I know about the past rep, I'm almost apologetic about it sometimes. But I chose to buy the Rondo despite any lingering problems with Kia's image because I bought it for utilitarian reasons--that's why people buy vehicles like these. The seven seats have proven its worth during the past week with my three sisters and their ten kids in town for a visit.

    I don't know that many people who are car enthusiasts, but I have a couple of brothers-in-law who fancy themselves as knowledgable about cars (yes, they're visiting, too). When I told them that I owned a Kia, I prefaced it with, "Yeah, I know Kia has that past reputation..." To my surprise, however, both of them said that Korean cars have improved greatly and stated that Kia's ownership by Hyundai is a plus. BTW, one of them is an orthopedic surgeon who owns a car that costs around 200 grand (don't ask me what the name of the vehicle is because I can't remember, being a non-car enthusiast and all)--he doesn't like to mince words (stereotypical surgeon, yes :)) so I'm quite surprised with his positive evaluation.

    Anyway, like any of this matters. (winky, winky)
  • castg1castg1 Posts: 34
    Mazda 5. attention to details. If you open the front door, at the bottom part where the drain holes usually are, you will see nice little squares with soft rubber on it. It's a one-way valve. I assume this is to allow moisture out but not into the door's interior.
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