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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,677
    Journalists report the news

    I would say at one time in America this was true. Tune into CNN, Fox, MSN, CBS etc and you will get a different bias from each journalist. It would be good if we got the news without bias. That does not seem to be what people want these days. Same goes for cars. Even though the difference in reliability may be very slight between two cars, by the time the writer gets done you think one car is worthless and the other should sell for twice the price. Very little truth and a lot of spin.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    this bias started when we were 16 or 17 and a classmate would get a new used rig. He or she would either say the rig was "great" or whatever, or they would say it was nothing but a POS.

    So there ya go, some may even remember this going back to your 9 or 10 year old ages during elementary school, but not for me quite yet. These interchanges of opinions really amped up when I got in junior high and high school. Then it became hog-wild, and of course one will notice it more if you truly like cars more than...ummm...sports or music, for instance. Or like cars just as much. Then you'll listen more to people's opinions on rigs.

    But for me things change when I am really interested in a product. Then I want all the reading material I can find and no, I don't think it's smart to just read one favorite source. Look at many, many sources and be prepared to be able to cut through unbridled automotive bias in order to find more of the truth you can really put to use.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    If anyone has a theory about a really great car that was destroyed by media bias, I'd like to hear about it.

    Me personally?...I think 99% of all cars get what they deserve, good and bad, without any help from the media one way or the other. It just takes time for all that to spin itself out. The mags see a new model, praise it, only to find out 6 months later it has defects; or they pan a car, only to find out people love it.

    MrShiftright
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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,677
    I can think of more that were touted as great and turned out otherwise. How many MT car of the year models were absolute flops. The first Cougar for one. Many people bought into the MT hype and found out the truth after they bought.

    Then I still hold a grudge against Nader for his ignorance concerning the Corvair. I would bet there are more well kept Corvairs still running great than any Japanese cars from that era. I doubt that a 1964 Corvair would have left me stranded as many times as my 1964 Toyota Land Cruiser.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    Well there you go...kinda "proves" the point doesn't it...despite MT hype, the public found out otherwise. MT couldn't make a bad car good.

    As for the Corvair, typical GM story---potentially great car that was underdeveloped, then abandoned. Nader just picked the biggest target, but he could have chosen any number of defective cars from any number of manufacturers, domestic and foreign. GM played that whole thing so badly, it's incredible. They gave Nader the power he needed on a silver platter by putting private detectives on his tail.

    The media grabbed THAT one, you can be sure!

    MrShiftright
    Visiting Host
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    Ok, lets say the media can't make a a bad car good.. How about the media making a good car seem better than it really is? or making a car sound so much better than its competitors when in truth its not? Or, better yet. What about the media taking the easy road to reporting? Just satisfy the masses and report only good stuff about the car that sells the most? The media plays a huge role in what consumers will even take a look at during the buying process.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    and it is a fact that the media plays a role in shaping car sales.

    Case in point, Toyota's stock value of around $120.00/share right now. Yikes. When GM's is moving about around $32.00/share or thereabouts. Sales hype or real sales? Both.

    Toyota is the media's automotive darling, but is it kind of over-rated? About 400% over-rated, even?

    I mean, how often have you heard the press praise Toyota automotive products? And yet not talk about engine sludge issues or other blunders? How many times have you read comments like the one I'm making right now?

    I agree, it's a broken record...but it wouldn't need to be made if the media scanned and researched and recast their fishing poles for better information. Truer information.

    Less bias, more substance.These next few years are gonna be fun to follow in the automotive industry. More substance at all times, media types. Let's cut way down on the Toyota fluff and let's get down to brass tacks. There's a lot at stake...a lot of jobs... and a lot of history hanging on what eventually happens.

    It's about time to get real, isn't it?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    What was wrong with the first Cougar? Wasn't it essentially just a Mustang with different sheet metal?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,677
    From what I remember they had horrible resale value. I do not know the particulars. I thought they looked good. Never rode in one. Just remember a big hullabaloo over the resale.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    The problem is that for every Toyota blunder, GM had five....so the negative "noise" is proportionally greater---maybe that's all you're seeing?

    Besides all that, the American consumer is not stupid....he/she knows the buy the best car for the money...that was not the Renault LeCar, it was not the Dodge Neon, it was the Honda Accord.

    But let's say you're RIGHT....that the media favors Toyota.

    The reason for that might also have nothing to do with conspiracy. The reason might be:

    Everybody loves a winner....

    it's a form of celebrity in other words....

    MrShiftright
    Just Visiting
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    I agree with your summation.

    I will simply add that the next few months and next few years are going to be very, very interesting to watch because now Mr.Alan Mulally must make some hay from his millions for Fo-Mo-Co and not just his own pocketbook.

    GM needs to continue to win back(or start winning back)American car buyers and I see some decent new product arriving. Saturn's lineup has never looked better to me before...at least on the net. More good choices available because these carmakers need to put up or go home. It's playoff time!

    That's what I'm saying..let's keep brass-tacking for solid results. I am wondering if Toyota can stay on top and if people are gonna do more research before "family" buying or just buying what people tell them are good cars.

    Heck, I truly believe my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS is a good car and Mitsubishi was talked about having to pull out of the American car market. There's a lot of Japanese pride being hammered in to those rigs. I am very, very impressed with my Lancer GTS.

    I agree Toyota is a celebrity and the media is impressed. Let's find some more info. and solid anchorages in this scene is all I'm saying. Cut through the fluff a tad more.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    and forums like these and around the internet help cut through the fluff . Here in these forums you find out about recalls, TSB's or problems that folks are having with their vehicles. The media cannot stop it from spreading like wildfire when a problem arises with a vehicle. Which is why you have to question Toyota's reliability numbers? I visit about 6 other forums and there are plenty of peeved off Toyota and Honda owners out here on the net. Which really makes me question how reliable they really are? I'm sure Toyota/Honda make good vehicles.. But are they really that much better than Ford/GM/Hyundia/Subaru/ or ???
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I bought an Accord 16 years ago. I had the car for 12 years (140,000 miles). The car was everything I could have wanted, and more. So when I was ready to buy a new car, I had an idea what car would be a good bet (another Accord). Say I would have bought a Ford product 16 years ago. Even if I thought it had been a good car, are any of the cars made by Ford 16 years ago still being made? The media (like me) has an idea what kind of car the Accord will be, before it hits the lots. They (the media) and I have no idea how good the new Fords are, because we have no good reputation to follow through the years. When I am betting my $25,000 on a car, I want a "sure thing" not a 60% chance. The "Media" has raved about domestic cars before, only to be disappointed later, and their readers let them know about it. Once bitten, twice shy, you might say.
  • mcdawggmcdawgg Posts: 1,666
    There are two things that people always talk about when bashing Toyota and Honda: Engine sludge and Honda's automatic transmission problems. Problem with this is that there are so few of these "problems" that it does not really matter to most people. I THINK that is why the media has not picked up on these issues. Just my opinion, based on some real-life conversations, relationships, and experiences.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    "Problem with this is that there are so few of these "problems" that it does not really matter to most people"
    http://world.honda.com/news/2004/c040630.html

    500,000 Honda vehicles are a few??

    This is just one link.. there are more to older gen Honda products with automatic transmission issues.. Google it!
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,195
    That article is three yeas old? Got something more current?

    And I say that as someone who had one of those transmissions. It wasn't the first van I had transmissions on. That was a Ford and you would have thought I was a leper the way Ford treated me. Honda immediately agreed to the replacement and rented me a vehicle while it was in the shop. Total time - 2 days. Total expense - zero.

    When I look in the vans forums I see the Honda transmission one, but I also see a transmissions issue on every van. On most other vans there are dozens of other common defects.

    Can Honda make a mistake? You bet. Do they know hpw to treat a customer under such circumstances? Enough that when I replaced the van I bought another Ody.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    I call the Big Three's image problem the "Bad Dog Syndrome".

    Basically it goes like this. You buy a dog and he bites every member of your family, sometimes REALLY badly. Even an occasional mauling.

    So..... You take him to a specialist, he goes away to Dog Rehab for 2-3 years and finally the trainers/experts bring him back and say: "He's perfectly fine now. Look, here are videos of him playing frisbee, and one of our staff took him home for two weeks and he didn't bite anybody".

    But you know, the Big Three is like that dog. He's very cute and we'd all like to pet him but many of us don't trust him enough to take him back in the house with the kids.

    When Toyota says "Okay we screwed up, but it's FIXED!", for some reason I believe that.

    When the Big Three says the exact same thing, I scrunch up my face and go...."yeah, rigggghhhhttttt....."

    Terrible, isn't it?

    MrShiftright
    Visiting Host
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Big three, Bad dog, great analogy. I love it LOL. :D
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Honda Accords have had a few problems with head unit lights going out. Honda has said they will cover the head units "out of warranty". My head unit has not gone out, but it's nice to know that even if it does, it will not cost me anything to get a replacement. Would Ford do this? I think not. How does Honda retain so many repeat customers? By treating them right. ;) You can never please all the people, all the time, but at least Honda tries.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Value is something the public determines based on perception. The public decides Toyota's stock is worth a lot more than GM. If they didn't, the price would drop.

    The same holds true for cars.

    If Toyota's weren't worth a premium over their competitors, people wouldn't pay the premium. We may have different values though, which is why we don't all drive Camrys.
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