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Taurus/Sable Maintenance & Repair

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  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    I don't think it makes any difference where a car is assembled. For that matter it doesn't make much difference where the components are built.

    There is an opinion shared by some people that a japanese or european name plate equals a better and more reliable car.American makes have only themselves to blame.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    I cannot speak for all the millions of people who have bought Tauri over the last 17 years? is it, however, I can speak from my personal experience. I bought a '90 Taurus new, drove it for 10 years and 98,000 miles. In that period I was stranded only once when the starter failed. I did replaced CV joint boots at about 60000, starter at 65000, two tie rod ends at around 50000, and finally had AC leaks and radiator at about 70000. I changed plugs myself twice but with Platinum plugs really didn't need to, and did all my own oil & filter changes about 3,000 mile intervals. That plus normal maintenance, one brake job and one set of tires. It was still going strong and the next owner got a good used car.

    So good, in fact, I bought a new 2000 SES at the end of the model year. 15,000 miles so far and no problems. Car is quiet, solid with good tradeoff between ride and handling, and the 24 valve has good power. All for $18,000 and 0.9PCT financing.

    The '90 Taurus never developed a squeak or rattle in 10 years. So far the new one is excellent as well.

    I'm not knocking the Japanese brands, just seems to me that they generally are overpriced for the same features, and have higher parts costs and costs for "routine" maintenance. So the net result is you end up paying more for perceived peace of mind. Also, all cars have improved so much in the last 10-15 years, that even an car which is rated as having "average" reliability is much better than an average car in the past.
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    I was suggesting that Gary was knocking American cars, yet he is driving one that is just as much American as the Taurus.

    I agree with you, I don't think it matters anymore. What does matter is the quality of the parts supplier. And we all know that parts are outsourced on a global level.

    I honestly don't believe there is a "hill of beans" difference between Japanese and American cars. The only complaint I have of Japanese cars is the premium people are willing to pay just for that perceived peace of mind.
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    Have you seen a difference in quality in the newer Taurus? In some of the press I have been reading, and internet sites Ford has been taking a real beating.

    My Dad used to be a Chevy man, but the last 4 cars he purchased were all Fords. He is enjoying his 1995 and has recently put a lot of miles on it.

    I have started to get interested in them since my favorite mechanic is a Ford/Mazda man, and they can be gotten for a good price. I definitely favor domestic repair costs.
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    My wife and I have been looking at the Taurus wagon. You can get a "lot" of car for the money, considering todays prices. I almost refuse to do the minivan thing, and SUV's are way overpriced. So that leaves the station wagon, which is a fairly small market from the number of wagons available. I tend to buy the car that is "not in vogue" at the time. You can get a lot more car for the money that way. My wife currently has a '95 Cougar. We bought it new, fairly well equiped, for well under $20k. But the bodystyle was aging at the time. Didn't bother me one bit.

    I just hope that Ford doesn't drop the Taurus wagon before time for us to buy again.
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    I wasn't disagreeing with you, it's my way of adding further info and backing you up.I also had a 93 Escort Wagon that was a solid car.

    I get ticked when I read the Japanese superior line being thrown out. I have a 98 Mercury Villager. It's amazing how some people knock it because they know it has a Nissan drive train but Ford supplies most of the rest of the vehicle.

    I don't care where they are made or who is designing them. I try to get good value for my money. That is subjective and it's nice we live in a country that allows free enterprise and choice!
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    Oops. I apologize. I must've just read it wrong.
  • gslevegsleve Posts: 183
    opinion's just as I am, however it has been my experience that over the years (given my short time on this earth) and of all the people I know the frequency of repairs on the american cars has been over and above those of japanese cars (barring a few exceptions) yet I've seen these same people who upon the purchase of their second car (japanese)have way fewer breakdowns and remark how nice and pleasant it is not be plagued by frequecy of repairs. Yes I own a nissan and to my knowledge my particular year was not assembled in the states (could be wrong) additionally have owned a toyota and have owned a ford and have owned a mitsubshi, only one american car have I owned and it constantly needed repairs every other month. Additionally have seen many people who've owned american switch to a japanese vehicle then back to a american and have complained that the american car is constantly at the shop whereas the japanese hardly is with exception routine maintenance. (OPINION)

    Those who speak of owning their fords with very few repairs kudos to you, its appears that you are among the few who have experienced such fortune nonetheless when compard to the same number of toyotas or honda's nissan's, the fequency and or calibur of repairs for these vehicles are considerably less to that of fords chevy's chryslers yet I have to confess I do like buicks and oldsmobiles. Of interest too is the fact that some of these manufacturers have had foreknowledge of componets failing ie: head gaskets, transmission and other item some of which they had no awareness of yet proved to be a engineering flaw that needed correcting, I guess this is referred to as a recall yet maybe (planned obselencse)sorry spelling, again I feel that the amount of recalls are way too many and too frequent for these particular vehicles over the years when compared to a japanese vehicles. (OPINION)

    IE: Friends 95 taurs cv joint, 2 tranny repairs, head gasket repair, steering rack, ball joints, tie rod ends (the latter are a given wearable items) at 75,000 miles these items I feel failed prematurely and unnecessarily (FACT)

    On the contrary 90 Honda Accord 106,000 miles battery; timing belt(maintenance)no tranny no head gasket no cv joints no struts no water pump no steering rack (FACT)

    However I will concede to the fact that the gap is slowly and I mean slowly closing, again my OPINION not the GOSPEL OR LAW and I feel just as everybody else is entitled to theirs and with due respect. I'm not here to start a controversy just stating what I know or think or feel however absurd it may be to you. To quote you partially "it's nice we live in a country that allows free enterprise and choice!" this applies with equal force to one's opinion. (OPINION)
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    last post was pretty well stated. I don't agree with some of your points; but I understand were you are coming from.

    As far as head gaskets; Ford should be ashamed for the 3.8 and the problems with head gaskets. Then again, Toyota had a silent recall on head gaskets on the six that powered the four runner. I know first hand, my brother in-law had it done. And it was a documented problem. On top of that, that Toyota engine is a gas pig. So my point is Toyota, Honda and Nissan aren't perfect; no car is.

    I'd like to know if Ford trannies fail more than other makes? I work with someone who has the same year as my Taurus. That tranny went out at 70k. I asked her if she ever changed the fluid. She looked at me like I had two heads! Maybe it would have failed anyways.

    I was told by my Ford dealer that there are two manufacters (suppliers) of Taurus trannies. One supplier is good, the other more subject to break down. This came from a few people working the service desk in the repair bay. Anyone else ever here of this?
  • mullins87mullins87 Posts: 959
    Like I said in an earlier post: "What does matter is the quality of the parts supplier."
  • gslevegsleve Posts: 183
    be they american korean japanese with proper maintenance fluids changed regularly perhaps more often than the manufacturer recommends the vehicles in question will provide good life, I concur that japanese cars are not without their faults and flaws ie: Toyota v6 motors with the sludge, occuring due to their design I feel that should never occured, perhaps engineering was at fault for producing higher combustion for better performance yet, overlooked the conventional oils limitations.

    No car is perfect and we subjectively buy cars based on past performance and value some, differ in this regard which is fine. I'm of the mindset that buicks and olds are a little better built, and if I were shopping I would probably purchase one of them ,my neighbor loves buick's while growing up I've personally seen he has always had good success.

    As to you're tranny question I can't remember the website, however this rebuilder commented on the quality of transmissions he felt through his years, as a rebuilder were best better and worse I'll have to find were that was, his comments if memory serves me correct is that he favored the chevy tranny's the most, and felt as a whole the ford's were way under par too many rebuilds came across his table.

    Perhaps some years are better than most, yet again I feel if a person uses a good petrol atf and changes every year it'll probably see a good life, if he uses a premium synthetic and changes every other year or perhaps longer probably it'll see and extended life beyond it's intention.
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    if you think of that web site please post it here.

    I thought the same of GM trannies, that they wee more durable than Fords. Have a relative who owns a repair shop. He doesn't notice a difference in # of problems. Who knows which one is more durable.

    Good care and reasonable driving should make em last.
  • gslevegsleve Posts: 183
    suggested due to the severe driving most of us do that if one used a good petroleum product tranny drain was recommeded 12-15000 fluid change or annually however if one used a premium synthetic the life of the fluid was about triple 45,000 or every two yrs to ensure goog long tranny life. Additionally the article brought out that for every degree the tranny heated the longevity of the fluid was decreased immensley causing it's cleaning and lubricating properties to diminish, however the premium synthetics lasted somewhat longer prolonging tranny and fluid life.
  • mrdetailermrdetailer Posts: 1,118
    My dad's Taurus had no problems, but I talked him into a change of fluids at 70K. It was very dark and smelled slightly burnt. For one 1200 mile trip it shifted rough, especially from first to second. After that though it ran smoothly. Scared him enough though to change fluids every other year.

    GMs tranny's are good enough that BMW uses them for their automatics.
  • riswamiriswami Posts: 192
    what you're saying about yearly fluid changes, but isn't Ford's recomendation of every 30k pretty aggressive already?I've changed mine twice; and a check of the dip stick reflected cherry red fluid with a good clean smell each time. I believe a lot of GMs say 60 or 90,000 for tranny fluid change. Plus when I've had mine changed I had the fluid exchange that gets it all out of the torque converter.
  • rayfbairdrayfbaird Posts: 183
    I have a Mazda which has a Ford transmission. Many of those transmissions have failed. However the majority don't say how often they maintained them. My guess is that most simply didn't.

    I am fortunate to have a mechanic that specialized in Mazda and Ford repairs at a dealership for 20 years. He advising changing the fluid every 15K, or 2 years, whichever comes sooner for automatic transmissions.

    I have a few friends who have had Ford transmission problems in their Explorers. Further inquiry also proved that they hadn't even thought about maintaining them. They were good on everything else, but completely neglected the transmission.

    I have relatives with GM vehicles that have problems with the emissions. It's just a weakness you have to watch out for. I feel the same about Ford Transmissions.
  • gslevegsleve Posts: 183
    is pretty aggressive however, their in the industry to make money and I feel they would rather sell you a remac tranny sooner than to extend the the longevity of you're oringinal that's why I believe that a yrly or annual schedule for fluid changes is a must in particular for transmission, take for another example look at braking systems how many people know that if they have an ABS system that the fluid in the master cyclinder has to be changed out every 18months or 18,000 miles very few

    Before there were ABS units the regular master cylinder should have had the brake fluid flushed out every 2yrs or 24,000 miles how many followed this schedule, and yet complained when a caliper or wheel cylinder or even a master cylinder went south. However volkswagen subscribe to such a schedule for a long life braking system. This schedule for brake fluid changes was and still is not published in owners schedule whether A or B. (It's called planned obselence so one can continue the economy and by new parts, be it form the manufacturer or an aftermarket who is in an alliance to build or rebuild their parts to spec and recieve a commission.)
  • murrietamurrieta Posts: 10
    I'm replacing brake pads on all four wheels and front rotors on my 93 Taurus. The front brake cylinders easily retracted into the caliper assembly to allow for installation of the new pads. The rear cylinders will not budge on either side. I have the parking brake off, as I know the brake is integrated into the rear assembly. What is the trick to get the cylinders to retract back into the caliper so I can install the new pads on the rear?

    Thanks, Walt
  • alcanalcan Posts: 2,550
    Taurus rear calipers are like most with integrated parking brake. The piston has to be rotated back down a threaded jackscrew for the parking brake. Use a rear caliper piston retracting tool, available for loan at most larger auto parts houses. It rotates the piston clockwise as it forces it into the bore. Make sure the boot isn't stuck to the piston or it will tear. Also verify the notch in the piston lines up with the tab on the back of the inboard brake pad afterwards.
  • murrietamurrieta Posts: 10
    Thanks for the knowledgeable help. I was able to get the retracting tool from a local Napa supply store and of course, with the right tools and info, the job went effortlessly.

    Walt
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