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Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna



  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Subaru was one of the major manufacturers to start DISHONEST advertising when they began calling a small 4 wheel drive station wagon an SUV. :mad:

    Too many people do NOT know the difference between a REAL pickup and a small Light Utility Vehicle because of false advertising. Same with AWD vs 4 WD.

    Honda CR-V vs Ford Explorer: NO Comparison. Are they the same type vehicle?

    Isn't the CR-V built on a Front Wheel Drive car frame with AWD optional while the Explorer is built on a Rear Wheel Drive truck frame with 4 Wheel Drive optional? :confuse:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru never said SUV, they said Sport Utility Wagon. They pitched themselves as an SUV alternative, not just another SUV.

    And what about 2WD SUVs, are they still SUVs?

    Heck, the whole SUV label is a misnomer, what Sports do they practice, exactly? At least Subaru competes in WRC.

    Explorers aren't particularly good off road, so that may not be the best example.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Thanks for the corrections. I had misinterpreted the Subaru ads and I agree with you 100 % concerning SUVs and Explorers.

    Things have become very murky now that there are no longer just cars and trucks. :shades:
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 222
    Not even on the Touring Model.
    See the following Canadian Specifications web.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Wow, did not know that. Thanks for linking me.

    Best regards,

  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    WHY do you get preferential treatment in Canada? :confuse:

    I noticed that DaimlerChrysler has also had better options for the Grand Caravan and T&C than we get in the USA. My "built in Canada" 2002 Chrysler T&C LX had zero defects while my "superior"? Toyota Sienna made in the USA had the right side 2nd row seat installed incorrectly. Don't even get me talking about your SUPERIOR health care in Canada compared to the overpriced system in the USA which resulted from too many lobbyists in Washington DC.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Same with Subarus for Canada.

    The WRX has offered heated seats since 2002, and you don't have to get a loaded model, either.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    Forgive me, Karen, for getting way off topic here and addressing this, but Explorer vs. CR-V is apples and oranges.

    Oh, here's how to stay on topic. It's like comparing an Astro or Aerostar with a Ody, Sienna, Entourage, Sedona, oh heck even a Caravan! Body on frame vs. Unibody, front wheel drive vs. rwd, etc.

    BTW, I am a big fan of BOTH the CRV and Explorer. ;)
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Can't compare Odyssey and Sienna with Entourage and Sedona unless it is changed to read Compare Odyssey and Sienna Quality with Entourage and Sedona Junk. :shades:

    The Astro and Aerostar were classified as minivans although they had MORE interior space on a shorter vehicle than the current Odyssey and Sienna.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    More interior space? I'm surprised. Cargo space I could see, but overall usable space - I just can't see it. But my point was more about how different all newer minivans (at least those sold here in the States) are very different to their predecessors.

    An eight hour trip is no biggie in any of the new vans. The same trip in an Astro and you'd need orthopedic surgery. We rented an Astro once for a family vacation and I did most of the driving - not a pleasant experience.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Astro was built up in Baltimore, not far from me. They closed the plant, though. It was trucky and met the needs of contractors and other fleet buyers, but not consumers.
  • josm100josm100 Posts: 30
    Do you own an Entourage? If you do not then I don't beleve you have enough information to make these statements. I own an entourage and can safely say that your comment is way off base. Nor is it supported by reviews and owner reports across the web. Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd have to agree. Even though I chose a Sienna, the Sedona I test drove was certainly competitive and offered a good value. It's far from being "junk".
  • 11b33t11b33t Posts: 51
    +1...another case of owner smack talking...
  • shaky4shaky4 Posts: 25
    I own an entourage too and have absolutely no regrets, NONE!! And on the day I bought mine I would have purchased any of the top four in my list meeting my requirements (not in order), namely Sienna, Odyssey, Sedona or Entourage. And the NVH levels in Entourage/Sedona are extremely low, and quality top notch, as confirmed by numerous quality/safety awards and positive reviews across the web!! Please refrain from making emotional statements.

  • I agree regrets. But, my Entourage has had a few recalls; A/C compressor pulley making noise, idler arm pulley making noise and most troublesome was when we got stranded by the ECU going out and not being able to start the van. My van is an early production model so recalls are inevitable and things are working great now. But it;s so comfortable and smooth riding that the wife and I just love it. And a terrific value too. Although I got to admit, that the vehicle this van replaced, a Honda Accord, never saw the dealer again after we drove it off the lot...
  • josm100josm100 Posts: 30
    we have a later production model Entourage and thankfuly (touch wood) have had no problems yet. I think all models have their problems including the Sienna and Odyssey, just look at their forums. IMO anyone considering a new import car will do very well looking at Hyundai and save a lot of money.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Early ones also had some vibration/alignment problems, but Hyundai finally issued a TSB. Not while I was shopping, though, so that was a small factor in my decision to buy something else.
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  • shupeshupe Posts: 1
    Earlier comments or worries about rapid slowing of Sedona when taking foot off gas. That braking only happens under 40 mph. Cruise over 40 if possible for freewheeling.
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