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Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    This is strange. :confuse:

    Even if you overload the van, you would think that would affect the rear axle more, given that carries most of the payload.
  • lionslions Posts: 20
    Yes it is strange we just don't feel safe in the van anymore because you just don't know when its going to break twice we were at the dealer and they saw it broken. The third when my wife was driving thru an intersection but lucky no one got hurt just $1,200 worth of damage. We asked Honda for a fix we haven't heard anything from them at $500 a pop its getting expensive. :sick:
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    We were looking for a under $20,000 van and prefer to buy used if possible. We tried everything, and like the Honda but to get the most current model it took all of the $20,000 and that was for a van just off warranty. We found a used 2007 Kia Sedona LX with 18,000 miles and got it for about $15,500 if you use a realistic cash value on our trade instead of the bumped up number they used to make it look like we were putting more down. It still has a longer bumper to bumper warranty left then a Honda comes with new. The new Honda dealer flat out lied to me about his cost on a van which really turned me off on a new one. He said many times the prices at Edmunds and other places were thousands under what they really have to pay. Finally I got him to admit that that's just what they could get for them not what they had to get (which is all fine and dandy if he hadn't lied in the first place). I really like the Toyota van with the new motor but they are hard to find used and are a good $22,000 even then. Also they are very mushy in the suspension which is probably what some people like. The Kia to me seemed sportier then the Honda maybe because it's a little lighter. I guess if you have $25,000 to spend and an honest dealer then a new Honda is nice but why not take advantage of the initial resale drop on the Hyundai and Kia and get an equally nice van for much less? Either invest the $10,000 or save all that interest in financing.
  • lionslions Posts: 20
    here an update Honda said they will pay for the coil spring only $135.00 out of $475.00 bill Thanks Honda :( Coil springs should not break. :mad: :mad: :mad:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats, that's a great price for only 18k miles, barely broken in.

    I believe the 5/60 warranty does convey to the 2nd owner, but the 100k powertrain warranty only applies to the original owner. Just keep that in mind.

    Having said that, you could buy an extended warranty with your savings, easily.
  • siennamisiennami Posts: 116
    You found the Kia to be lighter? Wow! I had the exact opposite experience when I traded from my Sedona to the Sienna. The Kia felt much heavier, and was harder to fit in my garage. I am much happier with my Sienna. Sounds like you got a good deal, however... congratulations!!
  • What year Sienna??? The Sienna is quite a bit bigger than the Sedona/Entourage. It fits better in the garage??
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The extended Sedona is actually an inch longer than the Sienna, 202" vs. 201".

    The Sienna is also lighter in curb weight.

    Just for what it's worth.
  • I purchased a 2006 Sedona LX w/DVD last month. I sold my 99 Honda Odyssey. The Sedona was in service for 13 months, had 21k miles on it, and was in perfect condition, I paid $13,900.

    I am extremely pleased with this van. Mechanically this van is top notch. Enjoy driving it much better than I ever liked the Honda. I am a little disappointed with the DVD system though. After only a month, the eject mechanism failed. Glad I have the 5yr/60k warranty. Only other complaint I have is the factory tires (Kumho KH16's) are lousy in the snow. I'll upgrade them next fall.

    It seems as though a 1 or 2 year old Sedona or Entourage is one of the best deals you can get right now. I would be hesitant to buy a new one though, unless you are certain you will keep it for 5+ years. The depreciation will KILL you.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well written post, and I agree 100%. $13,900 is crazy cheap.

    You probably have 2-3 years of warranty left, nearly what you'd have on a $25k new one.

    Congrats.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    I agree the Sienna is lighter then the Kia, I was addressing the Honda in comparison to the Kia. The Toyota just doesn't feel as nimble as the Kia, or the Honda for that matter. It's more like a Camry which by most people's judgement isn't bad, I just like the firmer suspension. I would be very happy with a Sienna with the new 3.5 motor but they were over $20,000 used with 20,000 miles on them at the time I bought the Kia.

    I also agree the factory Kumho tires were not good in the snow even with good tread left on them. I went to dedicated studded snows which are really noisy but can't be beat for winter traction. I also just put a set of lower profile 18" wheels and tires on the Kia for spring and now it really feels (and looks) good.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, best I could find a 2 year old used Sienna was about $20,900, and the new ones are about $25k with the same equipment.

    May as well buy new. So that's what I did.
  • jimmyy43jimmyy43 Posts: 8
    I have a 2006 Kia Sedona EX LOADED...everything but a DVD player. Bought it new.
    It's a nice van and is dressed out better than most, regardless of make and cheaper than the others. We can list features all day but this has got to be the nosiest van on the road. I wasn't sure how noisy it was until I road in a Toyota Limited van...boy what a difference. Our van generates LOTS!! of road noise. I went back to the dealer and drove three new vans, each with a different set of tire...no difference from ours. Therefore I'm guessing that corners were cut in the insulation department. When we bought ours we were so taken with all the features and the price I didn't pick up how noisy it is. The Sedona runs well and all the nice features work with no trouble through27,000 miles. I'm not plugging the Toyota or the Honda...but..if I weren't upside down :cry: after deprecation of a new 2006 ( which is another story) I would trade in a heart beat!!!
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 225
    Why include Entourage and Sedona when April 08 issue of Consumer Reports reports that Honda "Makes the best cars" and has the most reliable vehicles, the top 2 miniivans are 1st Odyssey & 2nd Sienna. The Sedona & Entourage are not reliable
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    1st Odyssey & 2nd Sienna

    You got it backwards.

    The top rated van is the FWD Sienna, with 93 points overall. It was 1st.

    The Ody got 91 points, and came in 2nd.

    In reliability the Sienna was also rated higher.

    It's definitely Toyota #1, Honda #2, FWIW.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Because, believe it or not, some people don't use CR as the end-all of choosing a vehicle! ;)

    VWs aren't known for being reliable either, yet people pay premiums for them over Hondas and Toyotas. Its ok to pick outside the reliability box. :shades:
  • Amen.....I use CR to pick appliances....of course, some people view cars as appliances...that's why the Taurus was so popular. I mean, come on, a Taurus? What car guy or gal would pick a Taurus? I do admit I've rented a couple of Taurus' ( Tauri?). But I don't ignore CR. They do do great work. It's just that a car means more to me than an appliance. And I'm sure to most of you who read these forums and use Edmunds.
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 225
    I had a 1992 Taurus long-stroke enging. In the 276,000 milometers I had it it never had an engine or transmission problem. The big problems were the brakes, wheel fender rust, wiper motors and tie rods.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Some fun cars also happen to be reliable.

    You don't have to give up fun.

    My Miata is 15 years old now and running like a top.

    I want to upgrade to a 2006, but really this one is fine, I have no reason to. I wish it would break down! :D
  • I had a 1989 Taurus as my first vehicle (bought it at age 5 with 80K miles on it). I am still searching for a vehicle as comfortable with plenty of hip room in the front seat (tired of these vehicles with center consoles - give me a split front bench anyday). I got it to survive until 10 yrs/155K without major repairs. Of course had to do without AC for the last 4 years (couldnt afford to/didnt want to get it fixed as at the time conversion kits were non-existent and would cost thousands of dollars to convert to R134) - but it helped me learn all of the local backroads as stopping at a light in 100 degree heat in a black car was brutal. In the end the transmission was dead, actually for the last year of its life I couldnt use overdrive, had to just use the "D" setting. But from a comfort/value perspective there was nothing like it.
  • kitagrlkitagrl Posts: 7
    For those on a budget, Kia is great. I would just make sure you really get a good deal on it though, if you are going to spend 30,000 on a vehicle, get the Honda for its good resale! However if you are like us, and need a deal, get the Kia. We just got a loaded-with-everything (luxury, power, dvd) 2007 Kia Sedona EX that was a Kia demo car with 1500 miles on it for only $19,500. For that, I think I can swallow some of the things like wind noise or whatever rattles crop up. However if I paid the 33,000 list price for the loaded, or even the 25,000-28,000 "retail", the petty things might seem bigger. Is it really worth paying $10,000 more just to make the inside quieter (maybe the wind noise will block out whining?)....not really for us. But then we've only had this one for two days (traded in our 2004 Sedona, needed more space.)

    I will say we rented a Town and Country a few years ago on a trip and we hated it!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree and I think I've stated something similar before.

    I've seen basic Hyundai Entourages, new, for under $20k.

    At that price, they make no excuses.

    FWIW, though, I got a fairly well equipped Sienna for $25 grand, power doors on both sides, 6CD, a lot of stuff that $20k Entourage would not have had.

    So it's definitely not $10 grand more. Maybe $3-4k.
  • autowriteautowrite Posts: 225
    The Hyundai Entourages prices in Canada for the basics start at:

    L AUTOMATIC $30,995.00
    GL AUTOMATIC $33,395.00
    GLS AUTOMATIC $37,495.00
    Limited AUTOMATIC $39,495.00

    Gas is currently $1.22 in Ontario oer litre and most other provinces at %1.34+
    $1.22 works out to $4.61 per gallon. And as you know gas is going up! I am on a pension with a 2002 Odyssey. I am keeping it and keeping it in repair (possibly forever). It currently has 200,000 kms on it.

    The next time I would probably want Honda's Stream (when it comes to NA) or Toyota's micro-minivan in a disel/electric hybrd.
  • rob22315rob22315 Posts: 31
    I just checked the CR website, the 2007 shows generally excellent reliability except for squeeks/rattles and body hardware. I haven't seen either on the two Entourage's I've had. There's a caveat in the detailed readings noting low rated vehicles aren't necessarily unreliable, nor does a high rating mean the line won't have problems. Also note it doesn't take many reports to move between the ratings - the top ratings are 1-2%, lower ratings exceed 3%. That's not a huge difference. One needs to read the other forums. Every brand has it's lemons and issues.

    You should ask why I've had 2 Entourages already - the 2007 had major power steering issues that results in a lemon law exchange. Power steering hasn't been an issue on any other Entourage I've seen on forums, but we got a bad one. Other than that, I've been very happy with the Entourage.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Canada, ah, that explains it.

    In the US the price premium for a Toyota is closer to $3-4 grand USD.
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