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Honda Odyssey vs. Hyundai Entourage vs. Kia Sedona vs. Toyota Sienna

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  • I've been looking at an Entourage limited with Sunroof package and a Honda Odyssey EX-L--I consider them to be roughly similarly equipped for our purposes.

    Last "final" quotes I got were surprising:

    Honda Odyssey-EX-L: $27,536
    Hyundai Entourage Limited: $27,216 (including the rebate)

    The local Hyundai dealership has not been willing to deal at all, despite having eleven 2007 Entourages in their lot and the 2008s on the way. The Honda dealership is openly trying to get rid of the Odysseys to make room for the 2008s.

    My price (my calculated price to pay based on invoice, rebate, etc.) for the Entourage was $24,281 including the rebate, but the dealer won't even come close. Even without further negotiating, the Odyssey is within $50 of "my" price.

    I went into this planning on getting the Hyundai--we have an XG300L and a Santa Fe now and are big fans of the automaker--and you just can't beat the standard features (both safety, warranty and otherwise) for the money. However, with the pricing we're getting on the Honda, I may choose that one. Never thought I would.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    In five years from now you won't regret buying the Honda. We love our Odyssey and have had few problems with it. The price you stated sounds very good. I am surprised at the Hyundai dealer not being more flexible. Most of what I've heard about them has been positive.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That dealer needs a reality check. Just look at residual values for both.

    I think your $24.8k is entirely realistic. In fact when I looked at Limited models I remember them being right about that much, $25k.

    Shop at fitzmall.com, they will have much better prices, and they have a Hyundai store.
  • This dealer has been very difficult from the beginning, and I would prefer not to do business with them if at all possible because of the typical "car salesman" approach they use. Unfortunately, the two dealerships within 50 miles of me are both owned by the same people.

    I'm getting some quotes from dealers farther away--well I'm trying to. It's amazing to me that some don't even respond to the requests.

    Thanks for the fitzmall reference. I'll give them a try.

    I think I can go lower on the Odyssey--my "low" price was before I knew about the $2000 dealer incentive Honda is offering. Still, though, it's not a bad price.

    Leigh
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    If you want to compare no-haggle Honda prices in the same region, try:

    http://www.brownscar.com/

    They have a Honda store. Just make sure to add freight and processing, since they do not include those.
  • Does anyone know what Fitzmall's delivery range is? I can't find the information anywhere on their website.

    Thanks,

    Leigh
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Not sure...maybe call them up? My family has purchased about 5 cars from them and every experience was a good one.
  • ocuihsocuihs Posts: 138
    reliability BEST AND WORST

    Consumer Reports ranked predicted reliability of 2008 models based on survey results from previous years. Here are the magazine’s two best and worst picks for predicted reliability in each segment:

    Wagon/Minivan:
    Best: Pontiac Vibe, Scion xB
    Worst: Chevrolet Uplander, Hyundai Entourage

    Full article at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21324818?GT1=10450
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They need to separate those classes. Which is the best van? Which is the worst wagon? :confuse:
  • Well I purchased my first mini-van about six months ago and before I made my decision I went and looked at them all. The Ody was really the "nicest" out the bunch but also demanded the most amount of cash. I live in Puerto Rico and we have to pay an excise tax on all vehicles. The amount is determined by the cost of the vehicle. So the starting price on the Ody started at 32,000 / Sienna stared at 29,500 and the Sedona was only 23,500. I got the Sedona lx long wheel base with cloth a roof rack, tinted windows, and all the the standard stuff. I honestly was very impressed by the Sedona with it's power and ride. Not as agile as the Ody but just as much power and i have neen getting as advertised 18/25. That is great considering I use the a/c every time I drive it. The Sienna does get better mpg but with the price difference it would take me about 15 years to make up the cost difference in fuel savings. All three vans are nice but for my needs the Sedona was the choice. Ah yes and I added HID for $125.00 off of ebay.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats.

    Are there Kia dealers in PR? How is parts availability?

    Just curious.
  • Yeah we have every manufacture down here except Saturn. At least that I can think of off the top if my head. Though we seem to get the models a little later then the continental u.s. does. No problems with parts that I know of, but then again I have not needed any so far. The down side is the import (excise) tax. I was going to bring my 400 hp 06 Mustang GT down when I moved but the excise tax was $10,000.00 not including shipping. So this was a bummer as you can imagine. Nothing like going from a 400 HP to 250 in a mini-van. I guess that's what they mean by growing up.... Sure miss that 11.9 1/4 mile but I don't think my infant son would enjoy it as much as me. :P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Well, the van ain't slow, but I know what you mean... ;)
  • I set out to buy the Hyundai Entourage. However there are only three dealers in my area. Two of them were very sleazy and we walked out ugh! The third sounded sleazy in their e-mail conversations ("come in to discussprice" etc...) They did not want to budge on the price. I started to look at the Honda Ody's and I found that there were a lot of 07's left in my area so I test drive one and I liked it. The Honda dealers are ready to make deals right now. The Hyundai guys made no effort to bargain, call back etc.. The best price I could get on the Limited ( 31*** sticker) was 29,000! Forthe Honda ody EX-L I got quotes from several honda dealers for 25,800 upt to 26,400! The Honda dealers are getting 2,500 in dealer cash for the 07's most are throwing in their holdback as well.
    I decided to go with the EX and got it for 23,632! with a starting tag of 29*** :)

    I had really hope that the Hyundai dealers would want to negotiate but they would not budge! I have no idea what they are planning to do with their leftover 2007's maybe they've had them so long they are attached to them.
    Anyway I testdrove the Hyundai and thought it was great and I like the looks of it better than the Honda but I wll not pay MORE for it.
    I don't know if this helps anyone but I guess I am saying don't assume that the Hyundai is cheaper in price. :P
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I can't believe the drop in prices on the Ody. Back in May, 2007 mind you, the EX was about $26.8k around me.

    For $23.6k I might have bought one, too. $3200 price drop in 6 months! :surprise:
  • Great deal on your Honda. Six months ago when I went to get my van I really liked the Ody, but the prices are an outrage here in Puerto Rico. Can you imagine paying 32,000.00 for a base model... I picked up a new 06 Sedona for 19,000/ 23,500 OTD. Damn import taxes here rape you. I got the long wheel base LX, with roof rack, this and that, and cloth. Honestly leather in such a hot climate as PR is not the best idea. Plus for me power sliding doors means doors breaking soon and often. I have never known a van that they work consistently good on. Also, I have never understood why people pay outrageous money for certain dealers options, like NAV or HID. You know you can put HID's on for $150.00 or less yourself. I did. Plus an in dash awesome NAV/DVD/back up camera off of Ebay us like $600 at most. Congratulations on the new van.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Interesting idea. Let the family live with them for a while, then comment.

    As opposed to a few days in a road test without families. Much more informative.

    One correction for the Sienna:

    when you lock the vehicle with the remote you do not hear the horn sound

    This is programmable, mine does this (same model).
  • tlaurotlauro Posts: 504
    I just picked up a very nice 4,800 mile 2007 SE model and paid $19,700 including the Hyundai Certification which gives me the original 10/100,000 warranty. You don't lose that option if you take it to a Hyundai dealer and purchase the Certification. I just happen to buy mine from a dealer since Car Max only gets rental car returns which are beat on and have mostly GLS Trim levels.

    Brand new our SE stickered for $26,989 which I was happy to have the $7k savings for a van that's been in service for only 5 months.

    We had a 2003 Oddy and loved it, but it was a $27kex and now even more for the same equipment. THe only reason we sold it in 05 was because I got a company car/Town and Country. The savings between the two this year now that I'm changing jobs is huge. I just couldn't justify the Oddy again.

    First, finding a low mile used Oddy is very tough. Even then, the price is high while resale is good, for a van that we plan on keeping 4-7 years, I'll take my savings now thank you.

    So far quality wise, the Hyundai is on par if not better than our prvevious Honda. The power is very nice too and not at all second to the Honda.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    I'm thinking that you might be surprised what you could get an Ody for if you acted quickly and scooped up an '08. $27K for an EX???? No chance.

    I paid $25,300, including everything (destination, processing, etc.) for a new 2007 Ody EX-L. (Adds sunroof, leather, heated seats over the EX). You can get an EX for $24 or so.

    I think that's a better buy than a Hyundai because it will hold its value better. An Entourage with the same level of equipment as my Honda would have actually cost more--I compared them.
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