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2007 Acura TL vs. Nissan Altima

jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
edited March 20 in Acura
I am really torn between these 2. I drove both this morning and the Altima is more comfortable, but I'm an Acura loyalist. They are almost equal in performance with the Altima being about $7-$8k cheaper with the options I want (no navi), such as leather, satellite, etc. What am I missing. Car enthusiasts please tell me. I know all about the TL, but the Altima has features the TL doesn't, like CVT engine (fuel economy and efficiency), fold down seats, push button start, etc. Help!!!
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  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    Sorry, wrong comparo, as the two cars are in different classes, have significant disparity in terms of equipment, performance, luxury appointment and, thus, price. If you are concerned with savings, take the 4-banger Altima on top of the wide price gap between the TL and the best equipped Altima.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "I know all about the TL, but the Altima has features the TL doesn't, like CVT engine (fuel economy and efficiency), fold down seats, push button start, etc"

    Yep, and so does the Camry, Hyundai and some GM cars less the CVT engine.

    "What am I missing."

    It's an Acura i.e. luxury or near luxury name plate vs. Nissan.
  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    I know the Altima isn't perceived as Luxury, but have you driven this car??? How much disparity is there really between Nissan and Acura. Please explain. By the way, you're talking to a guy who has driven Acuras for 15 years, so I do have some loyalty. But this is why I put the question out there, because after driving an Altima, I don't see much difference in quality. And it seemed to drive better. They both have same engine, HP, etc. I do know that Acura has higher reliability ratings, but probably not by much.

    But please don't just make a blanket statement. I know about perceptions. I want facts. What makes Acura so luxurious other than the name. The seats sure aren't that comfortable (my only real gripe after driving Integras all this time). Consumer reports also mentions the comfort thing.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    The acura should be compared to other luxury cars. test drive an infiniti, made by nissan and using such things like cvt an Ikey that you find in the altima), lexus, cadillac, lincoln, and audi. as for the difference between an altima and acura, Its all in the quality. luxury cars use higher quality materials and workmanship. they handle better, wear better, and look/feel better. If you think the altima is better, in some regards, to the acura; test drive an infiniti. It will blow your mind.

    Its not just perception, the altima is not a luxury car, and nissan doesn't market it as such. Its a mid-size family sedan.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "I want facts. What makes Acura so luxurious other than the name."

    Here's an example.

    Nissan: Every Nissan is backed by a 36-month/36,000-mile limited vehicle coverage and a 5-year/60,000-mile limited powertrain coverage. Period.

    Acura:
    Bumper to Bumper (mths/miles)
    48/50,000
    Powertrain (mths/miles)
    72/70,000
    Corrosion Perforation (mths/miles)
    60/unlimited
    Roadside Assistance (mths/miles)
    48/50,000
    Total Luxury Care which includes: 24 hour emergency and travel services & Concierge service.

    For kicks- Infiniti-
    Roadside Assitance
    Trip Interruption Benefits
    Infiniti Limited Warranties:
    4-year/60,000-mile Basic coverage
    5-year/50,000-mile Emission Control coverage
    6-year/70,000-mile Powertrain coverage
    7-year/unlimited-mileage Corrosion coverage
    10-year/unlimited-mileage Seat Belt Warranty
    2-year/24,000-mile Federal Emission Performance Warranty
    4-year/60,000-mile Federal Emission Defect Warranty
    8-year/80,000-mile Federal Emission Long Term Defect Warranty
    4-year/60,000-mile California Emission Performance and Defect Warranties
    7-year/70,000-mile California Emission Long Term Defect Warranty
  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    Thats the kind of answer I was looking for. It pretty much confirms my initial decision that I wanted a TL. I was just taking the other side because the Altima at first glance was impressive. However, you have to look at the long term, as I do. I plan to keep a car for 10 years, and if I doubt it will hold up, I won't buy it. After all, its a depreciating asset. But Acura holds its value well. I will test drive the infinity, but I think its out of my price range. Need to research it.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    If the TL is in your price range, then the G would also be affordable.
    You can pick up a Journey for around the same amount of coin.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    You're comparing a new for 2007 car to one designed in 2003. Wait for the new TL to come out, then re-compare them.
    The bar is always being raised and I have no doubt Acura will re-up the bar.
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    test drive an infiniti. It will blow your mind

    Which Infiniti? The one for $12000 more? Or the G35 for $5000 more?

    I didn't think the G35 was close to threatening the TL's grasp on high quality interiors at a great price when I looked at it last fall.
  • thenebeanthenebean Posts: 1,124
    if you plan on keeping the car for 10 years, then resale doesn't make much of a difference. a ten year old car is a ten year old car.

    also, with the price difference between the acura TL and the altima, you could buy a Nissan Gold Preferred extended warranty which will cover everything up to 100k miles and STILL be way less than the TL...

    just some thoughts....

    -thene :)
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    Don't you honda people ever stop?

    First off, The original poster was saying how well the altima drove, that it was comparable to a luxury car. I was simply telling him that if he though the altima drove well (nissans plain jane mass market family sedan) he should give one of their luxury cars a test spin

    second, there is no more G35. there is the G coupe, and the G sedan

    third, the G starts at 33k, same price as an acura TL
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "second, there is no more G35. there is the G coupe, and the G sedan"

    http://www.infiniti.com/g_sedan/index.html

    The G "sedan" starts at 31,450 but methinks that is without destination. Great value imho. ;)

    TL starts at 33,625 + dest.
  • dannyrdannyr Posts: 12
    Anybody concerned about the price of a TL as compared to an Altima, just hold off until next spring and they will be giving them away as fall 2008 is when the next gen TL is expected to debut for the 2009 model year. Once it debuts at the car shows, Acura will have a fire sale on the 2008's. It's not often you can get a great window like this to buy a great luxery car really cheap as the new G35 and IS350 along with the next gen TL on the horizen will drive the current gen TL price way down.

    Go to a couple of dealerships, find the one that will have the most 2008 TL's sitting on the lot, wait until the end of the month and I can guarantee you will get a TL cheaper than a loaded Altima, especially if the next TL is rear wheel drive, has a radical exterior makeover with 300+ HP. I remember the 2003 Maxima's being marked down as much as 25% off list because the complete makeover for the 2004 Maxima was coming and the the new Altima debuted with as much power as the old max.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    second, there is no more G35. there is the G coupe, and the G sedan

    Not to beat a dead horse here, but I have a 2007 "G Sedan" and it has a shiny G35 logo on the rear right corner.
    Do you think they put that there by mistake?
    Should it say "Sedan" instead? ;)
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,647
    Sounds like you got yourself a collector's item! Just like one of those US Postage Stamps with the upside down airplane! Man, your G"35" could be worth millions some day! Never sell it, Scott... :P

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    Danny,

    Excellent point. That may make me buy the Altima. I do not think the '07 Altima looks like a basic family car. It looks damn sporty IMO and drives like a dream. But the reviews aren't as good as they are on the TL. I do not want to wait a year, as I've wanted a new car for 2 years already. I drive a '99 Acura Integra GSR. While its a great car, I'm sick of Integras. They are not comfortable and I need more HP. Plus, I've owned Integras (2 of them) since '92. I don't really care for Infinity, but maybe I need to drive one. Definitely want a 4 door, not a coupe.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    Yes there are quantifiable similarities between the Altima and the TL. On paper, the Altima is a better value. Just as an Accord is a better value than a TL.

    But Altimas and Accords are common as house sparrows.

    Some people get off on outthinking status oriented society and feel good driving a great value car like a high end Accord or high end Altima. Consumer reports often points out there is just a shade of difference between full-on Camrys, Accords, and Altimas and their luxury brand brethern.

    But make sure you know who you are. If you get psychic benefit from driving something upscale, you will wish you paid the extra thousands for the luxury marque. There are little differences but their is also a premium to be paid for the ego boost.

    It really never ends because if you go for the Acura, some will say only a Lexus will do. And if you go for the Lexus well its not a 7 series BMW and so on. The hedonic treadmill.

    The truth is nobody cares WHAT you drive as much as YOU do. So make sure you get the car that gives maximum joy for minimum money.

    All that said, I say go for the TL - its a little more special. I've had 2 Accords, an Outback and a Prelude since 1994. I didn't think I would get here but I can admit I want something a little more special. I have bought for value for the last decade but now I can see indulging myself a little.

    The problem with the mainstream cars like the Alitma and Accord in full dress is they look pretty much like the $19,000 versions and are common as house sparrows. That worked for me for a while and its fun to laugh at materialistic society all the way to the bank. But now with two kids, in my 40s, coming up on midcareer, I am ready to indulge a bit.

    But you are not crazy to get a high end Altima or Accord and save some money. Just make sure you know who you are and what motivates you and what will truly provide maximum joy for minimum coin.
  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    Yep, I feel the same way you do about wanting something more. I'm by no means a show off. Its about what makes me happy. The big thing for me is comfort as I approach 40 and have low back issues. I have a bad feeling that the TL won't meet that standard, but maybe I can live with it, as it will be a huge step up from my Integra. I was always leaning toward the TL, but with the new body style predicted to come out in '09 and maybe 4 all wheel drive, will these hold their value? It may not matter, as I plan to hold it for 10 years. My biggest issue with the TL is going to be trunk space, I just know it. After being accustomed to fold down seats, it will be a tough adjustment.
  • ggesqggesq Posts: 701
    "The big thing for me is comfort as I approach 40 and have low back issues."

    Lexus ES350?
  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    Too pricey with options. I'm stretching what I'm comfortable with paying with the Base TL (if I get it). But the base is loaded except for navi.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    With lower back issues, is the TL really a good decision?
    I suppose it depends on just how bad these back issues are, but I don't see the TL being a wise decision if your back is bad enough to become a shopping decision maker.
  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    Its serious enough...degeneration of L2-L4. In Layman's terms, that means the fluid between the disks is gone, resulting in inflamation and pain in the nerves. Yoga helps and no surgery in the near future. I did think the TL was comfortable, but need to drive it again. But yes, the back is a major concern as I car shop.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Posts: 709
    FWIW I find the Honda / Acura leather seats to be well built, supportive and comfy on long drives. My Accord and Odyssey have been good for 15 hours at a go.

    Mercedes is highly regarded for seat comfort to the point that in some cars, the driver's seat costs more than the engine to replace!

    I think the TL would be a big step up from an Integra in the seat department. But it all depends how it fits and feels to you.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    No, I wasn't busting on the seat itself... I'm saying that with a bad back, getting in and even worse, out of the TL could be a chore for people with bad backs.
    I know a guy who had to get rid of his Lexus SC for that same reason.
    Climbing out can be a real bear.

    I have bad knee pain (insert joke here) caused by chondromalacia.
    I absolutely love my G35, but getting in and out can sometimes just plain hurt!

    I think, with a bad back, a sporty, higher riding SUV may be a better fit, no?
  • jeffatljeffatl Posts: 12
    Not that the TL is really efficient on gas, but an SUV is out of the question due to rising gas prices and I just plain don't like them. However, it is a good point, just my bias (its always people in SUVs that cut me off while on a cell phone. Soccer moms, etc.). I had planned to buy today, being the last day of the month, but want to be sure and drive it again. I didn't notice any problems on my first test drive, but that was also a short drive. Sales guy didn't give me much time to drive. Man, it sucks getting old.
  • danilodanilo Posts: 69
    After reading your conversations here, I would really look into the comfort factor. Yes performance is great but at what price? The Altima has great seats(They are the old Maxima's) the Acura's seats have some limitations on the adjustments. (I have owned both)..... Now, After that I actually bought a BMW.... Yeah, yeah, yeah... I know, but the seats are soooo comfortable and the heated seats actually feel like a heating pad if you wish. look at the 328i..................Worth every penny.
  • danilodanilo Posts: 69
    lots of pennies
  • jaeger1jaeger1 Posts: 43
    I love these people that pop up and say "You can't compare an Altima to a TL because the TL is a luxury brand" - like there's a law or something. Please.

    I looked at both the TL and the TSX (and everydamnthingelse with four doors under 40 grand). The Alti and TL offer similar power, performance, space and luxury features. The TL offers a good deal of something the Altima doesn't: torque steer. The Altima is a credible competitor and has a strong value card to play relative to the TL.

    Of course, if you're a mindless badge-wh0re that only cares about labels, then the Nissan won't be on your radar screen and the Acura brand will come up short against Lexus and BMW for impressing people.
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    love these people that pop up and say "You can't compare an Altima to a TL because the TL is a luxury brand" - like there's a law or something. Please.

    Its not that you can't compare them, its just that there isn't much point in it. the acura is a better car than the altima.......perid. to compare which car better fits your needs would be more appropriate To say which one is better, a small, compact, better built, better handling, luxury line car (that similarly equipped will run you at least 10k more) or a larger, mass market family sedan is, well, like comparing a porterhouse steak to a hamburger.
  • kennyg8kennyg8 Posts: 225
    Well said, JD! It is beyond dispute that the TL is a better car than the Altima, objectively and subjectively speaking. Which car is a better value depends on what you can afford or willing to pay. This can be more subjective, but many objective parameters can validate one's conclusion.
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