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2007 Acura TL vs. Nissan Altima

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  • keithlkeithl Posts: 106
    I doubt the next TL will be rear wheel drive, if it is the price will be substantially higher than the current one as the reason current TL is reasonable is it share many components with the Accord. It may have SH-AWD, but again that will drive the price up. And the fire sale won't happen until fall of 08 when the 09 TL starts shipping and I still don't think they will be as cheap as a loaded Altima.
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Have now taken second test drive in TSX auto and Altima
    3.5SL and I am still confused as to what I want or need.
    This was a high speed test drive no dealer with me on the TSX, but dealer in the Altima but I did not care, told him in advance will be going very fast on four lane.
    TSX really have to rev the engine, could not get it to kick down a gear in regular D, perhaps need to really press the pedal to the floor hard, not sure. What this did was to make the RPM climb slowly never got to vtec, since by then was going too fast,around 80. Problem was getting to 80 seemed like it took to long, also was not real happy with
    on ramp merge, my jeep seems faster. Taking bumps at high speed, suspension rock hard. Air condition nice and cold,
    stereo believe it or not the Bose in the Altima might sound better, not 100% sure on this did not adjust base and treble too much.
    Altima, pure effortless power at any speed up to about 80, did not go faster. Did not notice torque steer,high speed merge no problem, bumps in road OK, drove same route in both cars, tried to find worst parts of road.
    My problem, Altima bigger than I need, not as nice interior,worse MPG,would rather have a key than push button start, belive it or not really like the blue lights in the TSX dash. Did notice Acura salesmen never seem to smile. Almost like why do you want a second test drive, just buy it now, it is of course better than other cars.
    Old Mike
  • keithlkeithl Posts: 106
    mf15

    I have owned 3 Acura TL (04, 06 and now 07) and driven a TSX routinely as loaner cars. I have taken the 07 Altima 2.5 SL out twice now for a test drive and I can tell you the Bose in the Altima blows away anything int he Acuras. The TSX has the wimpy 360 watt sound system from the Civic. The TL has some fancy under powered muddy sounding ELS DVD-A system. The JBL in the Camry this year and the Altima Bose both run circles around anything Honda offers. Honda is so far behind in offering quality sound systems it isn't funny.
    I have not driven the 3.5 Altima, btu was very impressed with the acceleration in the 2.5 Altima. Most would never know it is a 4 cyl, they would think it is a small 6. The TSX is narrow and cramped for me, but I am 6 foot and 225 lbs. The Altima has at least as much room or more than my TL. The Altima is just about as quiet on the road as my TL. Where the Altima falls short for me is the numb steering. I almost thought I was in a Camry, the lack of center sterring feel and the overly light steering with no feedback were bad in my book. The ride quality was good, the interior materials are as good as my TL or in some instance (dash) better. I do love the TL guage cluster and smoother sleek look to the center instrument pod. One thing Acura offers that I think they all shoudl, is the TPMS is viewable via the info panel and it shows the exact pressure in each tire. I like that becasue I am anal about my tire pressure and don't want my tires all over the plce. Most TPMS will warn when 20% low that could be 6+ PSI under inflated. The backup camera in the Altima is way better the the TL. If the Altmia had better road feel and steering I would be down grading from my TL. A peppey, luxorious big car with all the bells and whistles and better MPG with only small performance (in real world driving) and save $7K is a no brainer. Nissan has a winner if they maybe could offer some sport package that would fix the numb cacoon like steering and feedback. Next up, let's see how Honda does witht he new 08 Accord, the bar is being raised pretty high by Nissan.
  • jaeger1jaeger1 Posts: 43
    I have a feeling Nissan is holding something back for the SE-R versions of the Altima coupe and sedan. No doubt 18" wheels with wider peformance tires and a more dedicated sport suspension will grace those models.

    Thanks for the candid and detailed TL / Altima review.

    Jaeger
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Keith if you were impressed with the 2.5 try the 3.5.
    Glad to see I was not hearing things when I thought the Bose sounded better than the TSX stereo. I was so occupied
    with the 3.5 power I did not pay too much attention to steering and road manners, will need another test drive.
    Yes the 08 accord may set the bar higher will have to wait and see. If Honda has not done what Nissan has done it will still have torque steer, where the Altima has eliminated it.
    I am leaning towards the Altima right now, even with the things I do not like about it. I have also checked online inventory at 4 local dealers not one has a bare bones Sl,
    they all have about 4000 in additional options I dont want which brings it up over 32000.
    The TSX drove very nice, good steering feel, with connection to the road, but I thought the suspension was perhaps harsh transmitted bumps or holes in the road quite well/perhaps too well. Old Mike
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Went up to the Nissan and Acura and even Lincoln dealers today Sunday so I could look at colors without being bothered. Looked at milan and mkz, no thanks don't like the dash,reminds me too much of my sons 89 F250.
    Liked the blue or sunset altima with charcoal interior
    I guess I might have to live with the orange dash lights, but if I buy they could be changed to blue. Tl interior nicer than Altima but probably not worth the price difference to me. Pretty much ruled out the TSX for lack of torque although I love the car. As I was looking at the TL's
    out in front of the Acura dealer I noticed one sitting up on blocks with no wheels, someone must have got the wheels last night.
    The question is to wait on the 08 Accord, not sure I like the pictures of it on the web, but I am sure they will raise the bar mechanically and on the interior.
    I have now checked online inventory of Altima barbones SL's
    for about 50 miles out of Philly, perhaps one or two, I do not want navi. But the good thing is that the rebates have started on the Altima. Perhaps they want to get rid of the 07's before the 08's start to roll in, or they are not meeting sales goals, they still have not caught the Accord, let alone Camry.
    Old Mike
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Perhaps I spoke too soon, I see that there now is 1000 cash to dealer on the 07 TSX, so if you can get it at invoice -1000 that is 25761 +TTl, not bad. I guess will have to take it on one more test drive and really push hard on the pedal to get it to kick down then check the passing power at high speeds, will also take a tire pressure gauge and see if the tires are at 40 psig which might have made the bumps on my last test drive seem rock hard.
    I also think the Altima once you add options is priced too high compared to camcords. So might be back to square 1 for a little while,still have time.
    Will no more when the media embargo ends on Aug 21st for the 08 accord. Old Mike
  • keithlkeithl Posts: 106
    08 will be last year fo rthe current body styles of the TSX and TL, my guess is by May 08 the TSX will be replaced witht he 09 and then by October the TL gets replaced. I have driven TSX and TL, the TSX is a firmer and shoppier ride, but well controlled. I run my TL tires at 37 PSI and they still ride decent. The Altima is a little noisier on the road than the TL and a bit less behaved over the bumps, more jittery. But the Altima is a nice ride, very comfortable and the Bose blows the doors off the TL and TSX audio. The TL interior ergonomics are one of the best in any car I have seen, the guages and control layouts are nice and the flow of the center pod with the nav and controls is seamless and very pleasing to the eyes. The Altima guages are a tad cheapy looking. Also one thing I love about the TL that I have not seen on anything else is the way they light the guages. They are at full brightness when the headlights are off, then when you put the headlights on they are where ever you had them adjusted to and with a simple push button (during twilight) you can MAX the brightness then when it gets darker hit the button again and they go back. Guage lights shoudl not be a distraction at nitgh and many people run theirs too bright casuing them to take away from detail ont he road, I hate having to constantly adjust the guage brightness and the TL has the perfect solution.
  • jaeger1jaeger1 Posts: 43
    Just my opinion, but that $1,000 in your pocket isn't going to make the TSX any torquier. How many times have you test-driven it now and found the torque lacking each time? Having already ruled the car out for lack of torque, trying to talk yourself back into it because somebody dangled a $1k carrot in front of your nose seems like a recipe for buyers remorse to me.

    Jaeger
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Jaeger1: You are probably right, it seems that I am really looking for power over refinement at this price point.
    I also see that there now is 1500 cash to dealer on the TL.
    I stil have time and can wait to see what else develops, really dont think Tl will get any better but the Altima could have higher rebates even though Nissan has stated that they do not intend to use rebates much anymore.
    Anyhow I have now looked about 100 miles out from Philly
    found two blue SL's but with blond interior without tech package and I think one or two slate with charcoal interior.
    Really would like the blue/charcoal. I keep telling myself
    no grey/silver cars.
    Old Mike
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    the Altima could have higher rebates even though Nissan has stated that they do not intend to use rebates much anymore.

    the only specials nissan has offered so far on the altima are .7% financing, and the $500 rebate for college students. with the exception of some modest rebates at the end of the year to clear out the remaining 07's, I wouldn't expect to see anything substantial. as long as continues with its double digit year to year growth, they really have no reason to.
  • jaeger1jaeger1 Posts: 43
    At this stage, with time to play with, waiting to see what the '08 Accord delivers makes sense. I am SERIOUSLY underwhelmed by the exterior styling and the one pic I have seen of the interior (with a ginormous cavern in the middle of the dash) doesn't warm my heart, either. But in V6 form, it should certainly deliver power and refinement in spades. It's your call on the styling.

    Of course, when it comes to getting any kind of a discount on that car anytime soon - fuhgeddaboutit.

    Jaeger
  • johninnjjohninnj Posts: 243
    I'm just curious....but have you driven a nicely equipped Legacy GT? I honestly don't think much competes when value is interjected.
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    For some reason at least at my age do not like the hood scoop. But thanks for the suggestion. Old Mike
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Jaeger: From what I can see on the new Accord from the pictures I am also not overly excited. I wonder if it is worth test driving a 2.5 Altima many people say it has lots of power, for a 4 banger. Tonight I am driving a rental Camry 4 cylinder LE while the Jeep is in the shop. So far it is fine perhaps somewhat underpowered, but only have driven 5 miles. I see that the Altima HID's are reflectors as opposed to projectors, I wonder how much difference that makes in night driving. It is possible that I might have to test drive a V6 Camry besides the trans issue not sure what else might be wrong with them. Old Mike
  • jd10013jd10013 Posts: 779
    I see that the Altima HID's are reflectors as opposed to projectors, I wonder how much difference that makes in night driving. Old Mike

    I don't know what it is about the altima's lighs, could be the bulb, angle, or reflector/projector as you said, but it is one thing I would compalin about with mine. low beams just don't provide much light it seems. can see great with the hi's on, but with low beam the distance both in front, and to the side, that get lit seems very small.
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    JD10013 Do you have the Xenon HID's and find them not so good. I knew I needed a night test drive, if the lights are bad that is a total deal breaker for me. When I sign my name as Old Mike I mean it, the eyes are not as good as they once were. Old Mike
  • jaeger1jaeger1 Posts: 43
    Old Mike, taking the Alti 2.5 for a spin is certainly worthwhile. I was very surprised by how strong it felt - I think in this application the CVT transmission really makes the most of that motor. It will probably feel stronger than the automatic TSX because although it has less horsepower, it has more torque. But it is nowhere near the 3.5, it probably goes without saying. I recently recommended to a close friend of mine who was considering the Altima that he drive the 2.5 extensively, and if happy with the performance, never touch the 3.5 - 'cause it's hard to go back.

    I took a close look at the Camry - excellent in many respects but very boring. Complete driver isolation is their goal and they have very nearly achieved it - but I am not that kind of driver.
  • mf15mf15 Posts: 158
    Jaeger: I find the Camry to be floaty, trans seems to hunt too much, lights at night are weak, seems to have good pulling power, stereo OK, not enough adjustments on the seat for me but this is only an LE. Now dont everyone shoot me but, either there was something wrong with the TSX I drove, or they were so refined that they did not feel like they pulled as hard as the 4 cylinder Camry using the seat of the pants meter.
    Old Mike
  • johninnjjohninnj Posts: 243
    I had a loaner tsx auto when I had my TL. Unless you floor it to let the auto rev it out...it's barely moving. Nice car...shame about the motor...the 4 cyl in the reg accord feels better in about 90% of conditions.
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